Redding School Paper Dropped After Flag-Burning Photo

[Joelim]

yep wrote:

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uhhh.. who was name calling besides the person I was quoting?
Go smoke some more peyote please.

I thought you were going to play in MySpace. What happened? Got kicked out again?

[Joelim]

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You didn't say it was illegal?
Then who wrote this?
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It seems to me that you are, IN FACT, saying that this isn't covered by the Bill of Rights.
i.e. Illegal.
Of course that's just my own observation.

Tsk tsk tsk. Hehehe, I was referring to shutting down the paper. Ah well.

[yep]

Joelim wrote:

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Tsk tsk tsk. Hehehe, I was referring to shutting down the paper. Ah well.

Don't try and backtrack.. it's very easy to trace your trail of bullshit! Even the complete morons who post here can see that!

[Joelim]

yep wrote:

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Don't try and backtrack.. it's very easy to trace your trail of bullshit! Even the complete morons who post here can see that!

Wouldn't dream of it!!! BTW cursing isn't allowed on Topix, or haven't you read the rules?

[Joelim]

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Don't try and backtrack.. it's very easy to trace your trail of bullshit! Even the complete morons who post here can see that!

Oh, and one other thing, when one gets the other to start to froth at the mouth and curse, the first one wins. I won this round. Hehehehe. Go back to MySpace. Have fun there.

[yep]

Joelim wrote:

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Wouldn't dream of it!!! BTW cursing isn't allowed on Topix, or haven't you read the rules?

Rules? There are no rules. I don't believe in rules. In fact I may just switch my position in here to demonstrate that.

[Joelim]

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Rules? There are no rules. I don't believe in rules. In fact I may just switch my position in here to demonstrate that.

Dude you are a funny, funny guy. I have been amused at your antics trying to be intelligent. Next time take off your pointed hat. People get confused when they see it. They might think you are from the KKK. Hehehehe

[yep]

Joelim wrote:

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Dude you are a funny, funny guy. I have been amused at your antics trying to be intelligent. Next time take off your pointed hat. People get confused when they see it. They might think you are from the KKK. Hehehehe

There's nothing wrong with the KKK. They're only a special interest group expressing their positions and not all their positions are wrong.

[SarahMoon]

Joelim wrote:

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Dude you are a funny, funny guy. I have been amused at your antics trying to be intelligent. Next time take off your pointed hat. People get confused when they see it. They might think you are from the KKK. Hehehehe

LOL!

[Joelim]

SarahMoon wrote:

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LOL!

Why, thank you Sarah!!

[Jeff B from Sacramento]

Pab wrote:

HS Newspaper Editor
What a pompous little fool you are. Tackling controversial issues just to raise hackles is not good journalism, it's just a childish way of teasing adults and this was the sole purpose.
Just read your posts, they are full of insults. Yes, you will definitely be hired by some liberal rag, probably in Beserkley to spew insults on everyone that does not share your views.
Have a great day, now put on your thinking cap and figure out what controversy you will tackle next.
Your last sentence stating " I will shake my head at you, but I will defend your right to make fools of yourself to the death." says it all about yourself and how correct my post is. However, I doubt that you will defend anything to the death, that is for the illiterates that have to join the service and fight and die so your pompous ass can post this garbage.

Well said Pab, very well said.

[HS Newspaper Editor]

Pab wrote:

HS Newspaper Editor
What a pompous little fool you are. Tackling controversial issues just to raise hackles is not good journalism, it's just a childish way of teasing adults and this was the sole purpose.
Just read your posts, they are full of insults. Yes, you will definitely be hired by some liberal rag, probably in Beserkley to spew insults on everyone that does not share your views.
Have a great day, now put on your thinking cap and figure out what controversy you will tackle next.
Your last sentence stating " I will shake my head at you, but I will defend your right to make fools of yourself to the death." says it all about yourself and how correct my post is. However, I doubt that you will defend anything to the death, that is for the illiterates that have to join the service and fight and die so your pompous ass can post this garbage.

Let's get this out of the way first - I AM NOT A LEFTIST. I am a 'classic' liberal in the sense that I advocate conservative (free market) economic stances and advocate social freedoms and limited government. I am not a leftist and I would not associate myself with the lunatics who hang out at Berkeley. But if the government were to come and declare a military dictatorship, I would be the first one to pick up an assault rifle and start fighting back. M'kay?

Trying to define "good journalism" or "poor journalism" is so absurdly arbitrary that I'm not even going to bother getting into that argument. That's a fight I can't win, and it's a fight I don't care about.

The only relevant fact here is that the students had the legal right to print what they did. Was the photo childish and tasteless? Probably. But printing tasteless material is not automatically illegal. Had that picture started a riot on campus, then they absolutely would have deserved to be shut down (go back to my original post on page 4 on what is legal and what isn't). But simply advocating a position on an inflammatory issue doesn't warrant removing the paper altogether. Editorials are, by definition, slanted and one-sided.

I'm a classic liberal. The government (principal) is intervening for the wrong stated reasons. I don't like that. I don't necessarily advocate what the students said, but I do advocate their right to say it.

This entire discussion has been Flag-Burning Good vs. Flag-Burning Bad. I'm using insults because that seems to be the best way of provoking some discussion on the issue that really needs to be discussed: the freedom of press as it applies to students. The morals of flag burning are totally irrelevant to this.

[mike]

i think they should burn however set the flag on fire. that is a disgrace to America. if you dont like the country then leave it.

[Joelim]

HS Newspaper Editor wrote:

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Let's get this out of the way first - I AM NOT A LEFTIST. I am a 'classic' liberal in the sense that I advocate conservative (free market) economic stances and advocate social freedoms and limited government. I am not a leftist and I would not associate myself with the lunatics who hang out at Berkeley. But if the government were to come and declare a military dictatorship, I would be the first one to pick up an assault rifle and start fighting back. M'kay?
Trying to define "good journalism" or "poor journalism" is so absurdly arbitrary that I'm not even going to bother getting into that argument. That's a fight I can't win, and it's a fight I don't care about.
The only relevant fact here is that the students had the legal right to print what they did. Was the photo childish and tasteless? Probably. But printing tasteless material is not automatically illegal. Had that picture started a riot on campus, then they absolutely would have deserved to be shut down (go back to my original post on page 4 on what is legal and what isn't). But simply advocating a position on an inflammatory issue doesn't warrant removing the paper altogether. Editorials are, by definition, slanted and one-sided.
I'm a classic liberal. The government (principal) is intervening for the wrong stated reasons. I don't like that. I don't necessarily advocate what the students said, but I do advocate their right to say it.
This entire discussion has been Flag-Burning Good vs. Flag-Burning Bad. I'm using insults because that seems to be the best way of provoking some discussion on the issue that really needs to be discussed: the freedom of press as it applies to students. The morals of flag burning are totally irrelevant to this.

Dumb question, Why should students under the age of eighteen have anything but limited rights?

[JasonB]

Joelim wrote:

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Dumb question, Why should students under the age of eighteen have anything but limited rights?

The constitution does not set minimum age limits on your rights. As adults we are given more responsibilities and freedoms, but the basic rights are there from birth. The GOVERNMENT cannot abridge any of your rights... parents/teachers can however.

[HS Newspaper Editor]

Terrys Sap wrote:

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Come back when you grow up. Mentally that is.

Come back when you learn how to make a valid argument. Something aside from ad hominem, that is.

[Joelim]

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The constitution does not set minimum age limits on your rights. As adults we are given more responsibilities and freedoms, but the basic rights are there from birth. The GOVERNMENT cannot abridge any of your rights... parents/teachers can however.

Nope dude, they cannot vote until eighteen and are theoretically not allowed to drink until twenty one.

It is because of diminshed capacity.

[Joelim]

There are also age limits on running for public offices.

[ENOUGH]

There is no reasoning with a COMMUNIST. Write a book Jason B so we can all NOT read it.

[DiZzy]

Some one wrote maybe yesterday "Those kids are journalism students and as such are supposed to be learning the profession. I think what the principal did was right. Not a ONE of these punk kids are journalists, therefore this should be a good lesson for those that choose to pursue a career in that field." NOW with that said what happens next year to the newspaper? There can be no Rebuttals from journalism students who believe this topic and pictures were wrong. There will also be no news of what great kids the school has going there or whats going like in sports, theater, ect. By shutting down the paper made it so there is no news and thats a shame thats whats in future for our country slowly its hapening little at a time.