Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

Aug 20, 2010 | Posted by: AthiestOz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

CAIRO A Saudi judge has asked several hospitals in the country whether they could damage a man's spinal cord as punishment after he was convicted of attacking another man with a cleaver and paralyzing him, the brother of the victim said Thursday.

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george whyte

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Aug 20, 2010
 
It's in the Qur'an: "We ordained therein for them:'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers." -- Qur'an 5:45

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Aug 20, 2010
 
What if you wound or kill somebody in self defence?

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Aug 20, 2010
 
Shiro Hima wrote:
What if you wound or kill somebody in self defence?
That's OK. Well it is OK as long as your a Muslim.

Muslims only get upset when a non-Muslim kills a Muslim.
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Aug 20, 2010
 
the brother said. "There is no better word than God's word an eye for an eye."

We have seen a better God than that.

Islam is a religion of revenge, and worse -extrapolated revenge.
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Pawn-King-Nine wrote:
the brother said. "There is no better word than God's word an eye for an eye."
We have seen a better God than that.
Islam is a religion of revenge, and worse -extrapolated revenge.
Sure, there's no revenge motive in the US when a condemned person is strapped to a gurney and euthanized. That's just justice. Yeah, sure.
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Sure, there's no revenge motive in the US when a condemned person is strapped to a gurney and euthanized. That's just justice. Yeah, sure.
Go ahead and compare Allah and US.

I'm not arguing about secular laws (if thats what Islam is all about then let it be). The fact that even some human are known to be able to forgive just tells me that Allah is nothing more than human.

Actually eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth is also in old-testament, but Jesus set a higher example when he called for forgiveness instead of revenge, even when he was nailed on the cross.
Pawn-King-Nine

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Aug 20, 2010
 
There is a difference between how the social laws are implemented and what ones heart should follow. Some "separation" here that is necessary.
Scent of Memories

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Aug 20, 2010
 
It's not true. According to Sharia', a Muslim is encouraged to forgive and don't get revenge. This sentence, I think , because the family of the victim refused to forgive, and refused the financial compensation. It's not easy to see your beloved lying on bed while the person did that to him is enjoying his life. Justice is needed , so people don't get revenge themselves.
But I know a lot of families who forgave for murders and didn't even take the financial compensation ,which can be millions of riyals , obeying Allah who ask Muslims to forgive.
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Go ahead and compare Allah and US.
I'm not arguing about secular laws (if thats what Islam is all about then let it be). The fact that even some human are known to be able to forgive just tells me that Allah is nothing more than human.
Actually eye-for-eye, tooth-for-tooth is also in old-testament, but Jesus set a higher example when he called for forgiveness instead of revenge, even when he was nailed on the cross.
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Aug 20, 2010
 
It wasn't self defence. It was fighting.
What about US? I read a stroy about a prisoner who defended himself against an other prisoner who wanted to rape him. Did they consider it self defence? No, he was sentenced to more years in prison.
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What if you wound or kill somebody in self defence?
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Scent of Memories wrote:
It's not true. According to Sharia', a Muslim is encouraged to forgive and don't get revenge. This sentence, I think , because the family of the victim refused to forgive, and refused the financial compensation. It's not easy to see your beloved lying on bed while the person did that to him is enjoying his life. Justice is needed , so people don't get revenge themselves.
But I know a lot of families who forgave for murders and didn't even take the financial compensation ,which can be millions of riyals , obeying Allah who ask Muslims to forgive.
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Sure, there's some "3 choices" kind of thing one of which is forgive or something...

Law of retaliation is a social law that says punishment should fit the crime, which exists in old testament and Islam. But what I see in the founder of Islam, according to muslim sources, is retaliations after retaliations, many of which transgress limits. Poets are murdered for criticizing him, thieves have their legs and hands chopped off, persecution is worse than killing (can you imagine Allah really said that?), etc.

Islam reorients an otherwise good mans mind to fill with revenge (don't you see this in Muhammad in his retaliations, don't you see this in many muslims? Iranian president wants to wipe Israel off the map etc) I'm not in any way trying to excuse the attacker for his crime of hurting another person, but his brothers claim of "an eye for an eye" as the "best" thing because Allah says so. Compare it to the teachings and living examples of Jesus, and compare it to mere christians from the west who poured helps to the muslim world in disasters disregarding attacks after attacks by muslim jihadists.
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Aug 20, 2010
 
Scent of Memories wrote:
It's not true...
btw, I'm still waiting for your explanation why I'm "narrow minded" in this thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TTQ...
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Sure, there's some "3 choices" kind of thing one of which is forgive or something...
Law of retaliation is a social law that says punishment should fit the crime, which exists in old testament and Islam. But what I see in the founder of Islam, according to muslim sources, is retaliations after retaliations, many of which transgress limits. Poets are murdered for criticizing him, thieves have their legs and hands chopped off, persecution is worse than killing (can you imagine Allah really said that?), etc.
Islam reorients an otherwise good mans mind to fill with revenge (don't you see this in Muhammad in his retaliations, don't you see this in many muslims? Iranian president wants to wipe Israel off the map etc) I'm not in any way trying to excuse the attacker for his crime of hurting another person, but his brothers claim of "an eye for an eye" as the "best" thing because Allah says so. Compare it to the teachings and living examples of Jesus, and compare it to mere christians from the west who poured helps to the muslim world in disasters disregarding attacks after attacks by muslim jihadists.
timely reminder of what muslims are taught in their mosques which shows islam as the way forward for one who is in need to seek revenge.- inmates like to convert to islam and go on jihad for this very good reason. islam justifies their acts and actions.

if persecution is indeed worse than killing, then there is nothing to stop muslims from killing someone who is deemed to have persecuted muslims through words. it is only wounded feelings muslims feel today, but tomorrow only the head of a non - muslim that will appease them.

here is the sermon alter ego bmz in singapore should take to the court with. a lot of people here are oppressive and persecuting him and his ilks.

FRIDAY SERMON
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MUIS
4) No compulsion in religion
Islam is the true religion and way of life. However, in upholding this truth, Islam does not force non-Muslims to follow it. There is no compulsion in religion. A non-Muslim cannot be forced to practice the teachings of Islam.
However, someone who is already at the right path and later rejects the religion, he has indeed done injustice towards himself and the Muslim nation. He is similar to those who stop others from practicing Islam and oppresses it. Allah commanded in Surah al-Mumtahanah, ayat 8-9:
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Aug 20, 2010
 
ex - muslim christians, hindus, taoists, buddhists, zorastarians, wicca etc feel that their feelings are wounded by these insensitive remarks and sermons in mosques....
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Aug 20, 2010
 
bmz wrote:
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4) No compulsion in religion
Islam is the true religion and way of life. However, in upholding this truth, Islam does not force non-Muslims to follow it. There is no compulsion in religion. A non-Muslim cannot be forced to practice the teachings of Islam.
However, someone who is already at the right path and later rejects the religion, he has indeed done injustice towards himself and the Muslim nation. He is similar to those who stop others from practicing Islam and oppresses it. Allah commanded in Surah al-Mumtahanah, ayat 8-9:
lol, sounds like there really "no compulsion in religion" (unless, of course, you have doubt about Islam)
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