Bolshevik mass grave found in St Petersburg

Jul 20, 2010 Full story: Telegraph.co.uk 28

St Petersburg: archaeologists have found a Bolshevik-era graveyard in the city's Peter and Paul Fortress The remains of over 80 bodies were found shot through the head in six mass graves dating to after the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

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“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#1 Jul 21, 2010
I wonder if the Kremlin blames this one on the NAZI's?

O_o

“UG X”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#2 Jul 21, 2010
all mass graves are listed in the NKVD archives!
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#3 Jul 21, 2010
ana 8 wrote:
all mass graves are listed in the NKVD archives!
There were no NKVD that time moron.
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#4 Jul 21, 2010
Why_Me wrote:
I wonder if the Kremlin blames this one on the NAZI's?
O_o
It`s not of your business Amarican pig.

Since: Jan 08

New York, NY

#5 Jul 21, 2010
CURRENTLY ACTIVE MASS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & GENOCIDE:

CHECHNYA

Russia engaging in crimes against humanity in Chechnya; Chechnyan rebels reciprocating:

Russia considers Chechnya an integral part of their country. There is a strong faction within Chechnya who seek independence from Russia.

The Chechens "periodically rose up against Russian rule through the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. In 1944 Josef Stalin ordered the deportation to central Asia of the entire Checen population, along with other nationalities in the region...as many as three out of every ten Chechens died during the transport, resettlement, and first years of exile. Not until 1957 were the Chechens allowed to return home." 1 The leaders of Chechnya declared independence in 1991, as the former Soviet Union dissolved. The resultant two year war, 1994 to 1996, resulted in more than 30,000 civilians killed and 600,000 displaced. The most recent conflict has raged there since 1998-SEP-5. 2

The Russian army maintained at least four major concentration camps which were used to detain Chechens. At least one, known as PAP-1, held up to 1,500 Chechens, many of whom were never seen again. A makeshift incinerator cremated four or five bodies at a time. "A central torture room inside the building still remains much as it was during the war, with a large metal rack with blood stained spikes and steel cables hanging from the walls. On one wall, it is still visible where a Chechen under detention wrote his name in blood. Blood stains on the floors and walls are highly visible throughout the facility." 3

Russia has blamed Chechen terrorists for blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk. Chechen Muslim terrorists held hundreds of people hostage in a Moscow theatre during 2002-OCT. During the attack by the Russian army which ended the event, over 100 hostages died of gas poisoning. Since then, "Russian forces in Chechnya have stepped up the widely hated 'mopping-up' operations in which villages are sealed off while troops search for suspected rebels and collaborators." Rumors of numerous civil rights abuses have trickled out of Chechnya. Cechens "...are disappearing, possibly seized by Russian servicemen or police...troops summarily kill some of the people they seize, spirit away others -- whose corpses are occasionally found months later --commit rapes and loot houses" 2 Small groups of people have been tied together and blasted into small fragments by explosives. "...the Russians fail to thoroughly investigate most human rights violations. They also impede access of international monitors, human rights and humanitarian organizations, and the media." 1

Chechens and human rights groups have denounced the operations. On 2002-JUL-23, Aaron Rhodes, Executive Director of the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights (IHF) reported: "According to documentation by Memorial Society and other organizations, the numbers of disappeared Chechens in recent months indicate a continuing assault against the Chechen people that borders on genocide...While the authorities will release no statistics, human rights groups are documenting that between 50 and 80 bodies are recovered in average months and in some months the figures are much higher, and they report a clear trend toward increasing overall numbers of the disappeared. Those dying are generally men in their productive years. The Russian forces are often beheading, burning, mutilating, and otherwise destroying bodies in an effort to conceal this process, which is claiming more lives than the bombings during the two military campaigns. But corpses are also often dumped alongside highways." 4 The IHF meeting in the Hague in mid 2002-NOV, revealed the existence of evidence of murders, torture, and rape by Russian forces...It urged the Russian government to find a political solution to the long-standing conflict. Russia denies its troops have been involved in systematic abuses.......

“UG X”

Since: Jan 09

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#7 Jul 21, 2010
bush1 wrote:
CURRENTLY ACTIVE MASS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & GENOCIDE:
CHECHNYA
Russia engaging in crimes against humanity in Chechnya; Chechnyan rebels reciprocating:
Russia considers Chechnya an integral part of their country. There is a strong faction within Chechnya who seek independence from Russia.
The Chechens "periodically rose up against Russian rule through the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. In 1944 Josef Stalin ordered the deportation to central Asia of the entire Checen population, along with other nationalities in the region...as many as three out of every ten Chechens died during the transport, resettlement, and first years of exile. Not until 1957 were the Chechens allowed to return home." 1 The leaders of Chechnya declared independence in 1991, as the former Soviet Union dissolved. The resultant two year war, 1994 to 1996, resulted in more than 30,000 civilians killed and 600,000 displaced. The most recent conflict has raged there since 1998-SEP-5. 2
The Russian army maintained at least four major concentration camps which were used to detain Chechens. At least one, known as PAP-1, held up to 1,500 Chechens, many of whom were never seen again. A makeshift incinerator cremated four or five bodies at a time. "A central torture room inside the building still remains much as it was during the war, with a large metal rack with blood stained spikes and steel cables hanging from the walls. On one wall, it is still visible where a Chechen under detention wrote his name in blood. Blood stains on the floors and walls are highly visible throughout the facility." 3
Russia has blamed Chechen terrorists for blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk. Chechen Muslim terrorists held hundreds of people hostage in a Moscow theatre during 2002-OCT. During the attack by the Russian army which ended the event, over 100 hostages died of gas poisoning. Since then, "Russian forces in Chechnya have stepped up the widely hated 'mopping-up' operations in which villages are sealed off while troops search for suspected rebels and collaborators." Rumors of numerous civil rights abuses have trickled out of Chechnya. Cechens "...are disappearing, possibly seized by Russian servicemen or police...troops summarily kill some of the people they seize, spirit away others -- whose corpses are occasionally found months later --commit rapes and loot houses" 2 Small groups of people have been tied together and blasted into small fragments by explosives. "...the Russians fail to thoroughly investigate most human rights violations. They also impede access of international monitors, human rights and humanitarian organizations, and the media." 1
Chechens and human rights groups have denounced the operations. On 2002-JUL-23, Aaron Rhodes, Executive Director of the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights (IHF) reported: "According to documentation by Memorial Society and other organizations, the numbers of disappeared Chechens in recent months indicate a continuing assault against the Chechen people that borders on genocide...While the authorities will release no statistics, human Russia denies its troops have been involved in systematic abuses.......
another bloody mess Russia created.
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#8 Jul 21, 2010
necnens are not rebels, they are terorists which made genocide of Russians in Grozny in 1992.
As for military crimes, I`m eager to see Amirican generals from Iraq and Afganistan on gallow poles.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#9 Jul 21, 2010
I see, most of you are still in heat.
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#10 Jul 21, 2010
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>another bloody mess Russia created.
All of those beasts deserved that.

Since: Jan 08

New York, NY

#11 Jul 21, 2010
Russian G wrote:
necnens are not rebels, they are terorists which made genocide of Russians in Grozny in 1992.
As for military crimes, I`m eager to see Amirican generals from Iraq and Afganistan on gallow poles.
Russia: A Year Later, No Prosecution in Estemirova Murder
No Tangible Progress in Investigating the Killing of Leading Human Rights Defender

JULY 8, 2010

Estemirova's killing was a brazen attempt to silence those telling the truth about human rights violations in Chechnya.

Rachel Denber, Deputy Director, Europe and Central Asia Division
(Moscow)- A year after the brazen murder of Natalia Estemirova, a leading human rights defender in Chechnya, the perpetrators still have not been brought to justice, Human Rights Watch said today. In the wake of Estemirova's killing, Human Rights Watch urged the Russian government to open a thorough, independent, and transparent investigation into the crime. That investigation has yielded no tangible results.

Estemirova, a Chechnya researcher for Memorial, was abducted outside her home in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya, on July 15, 2009, and was found shot dead in the neighboring republic of Ingushetia later that day. The circumstances of Estemirova's murder, along with a pattern of threats against her, Memorial, and investigative journalists and human rights defenders in Chechnya, point to possible official involvement in or acquiescence to her murder, Human Rights Watch said.
"Estemirova's killing was a brazen attempt to silence those telling the truth about human rights violations in Chechnya," said Rachel Denber, deputy Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. "Natalia exposed some of the most serious abuses in Chechnya and helped make sure the world learned about them."

For more than 10 years, Estemirova had been at the forefront of efforts to investigate human rights violations and work for accountability in Chechnya. She connected victims to human rights defenders from Russia and beyond, to journalists, and to avenues of justice, like the European Court of Human Rights.
Several years before she was killed, her efforts started to bring strong criticism from the Chechen authorities, including the republic's president, Ramzan Kadyrov. Forces under his de facto control have been accused of multiple and repeated human rights abuses, including torture, disappearances, collective punishment, and extrajudicial killings.

During the last week of her life, Estemirova had exposed several highly sensitive cases, including a public extrajudicial execution of a man suspected of collaborating with insurgents. She researched these cases jointly with Human Rights Watch.

Human Rights Watch has been documenting new cases of such violations in Chechnya, though many victims are threatened into silence by local law enforcement and security agencies.

"Ensuring that Estemirova's murder does not go unpunished would help to break the vicious cycle of abuse and impunity in Chechnya," Denber said.
Since Estemirova's murder the working environment for human rights defenders in Chechnya has remained very hostile. Three weeks after her death, two other prominent activists, Zarema Sadulaeva and Alik Djabrailov from "Save the Generation," a nongovernmental organization which helps children with disabilities in Chechnya, were abducted in Grozny and murdered. Several staff members of Memorial received serious threats, and well-grounded fear for their physical security forced three of them to leave the region.
"Throughout the past year, the Kremlin has repeatedly pledged to create a normal working environment for human rights defenders in the North Caucasus," Denber said. "To make good on this pledge, the Kremlin needs to ensure that Estemirova's killers and those behind the murder are brought to justice."

“UG X”

Since: Jan 09

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#12 Jul 21, 2010
Russian G wrote:
<quoted text>
All of those beasts deserved that.
well don't get offended when others call Russians animals. Do we have an understanding?

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#13 Jul 21, 2010
Russian G wrote:
necnens are not rebels, they are terorists which made genocide of Russians in Grozny in 1992.
As for military crimes, I`m eager to see Amirican generals from Iraq and Afganistan on gallow poles.
OHhhhhh look at the cute little Soviet,,, Oki Booo,,, is is sooo cute ,, yes you are yes you are!!!! Whos the cute one?? Ohhh you are,,, Give me a big kiss ,,,, Whose the party leader ,,, You are!!!!! You’re so adorable!!!! Say hello to Stalin for me cup cake!!!!!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#14 Jul 21, 2010
Why_Me wrote:
I wonder if the Kremlin blames this one on the NAZI's?
O_o
It was after all, a revolution.

How do you think the White Army treated the bolsheviks they captured?

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#15 Jul 21, 2010
bush1 wrote:
CURRENTLY ACTIVE MASS CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY & GENOCIDE:
CHECHNYA
Russia engaging in crimes against humanity in Chechnya; Chechnyan rebels reciprocating:
Russia considers Chechnya an integral part of their country. There is a strong faction within Chechnya who seek independence from Russia.
You are regurgitating the same anti-Russian propaganda over and over.

How did the Union treated the Confederate during the Civil War?

With kids gloves maybe?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#16 Jul 21, 2010
interesting that conversation here goes around genocide commited by Russians against Chechens, while before the war there were 400 000 Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians and other Christian minorities living in Chechnya (data from 1989 - google in wikipedia)which was about 30% of population of Chechnya - now Chechnya is populated 100% by Chechens and those 400 000 Russians and others are ALL GONE - some anihilated by Chechen "freedom fighters" ,others fled ....and now we are talking about the genocide of whom and by whom?...interesting...the more I read the more I am disgusted with some posters...

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#17 Jul 21, 2010
Zaolsie_ wrote:
interesting that conversation here goes around genocide commited by Russians against Chechens, while before the war there were 400 000 Russians, Ukrainians, Armenians and other Christian minorities living in Chechnya (data from 1989 - google in wikipedia)which was about 30% of population of Chechnya - now Chechnya is populated 100% by Chechens and those 400 000 Russians and others are ALL GONE - some anihilated by Chechen "freedom fighters" ,others fled ....and now we are talking about the genocide of whom and by whom?...interesting...the more I read the more I am disgusted with some posters...
VERT True,,, Good point

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#18 Jul 21, 2010
Russian G wrote:
necnens are not rebels, they are terorists which made genocide of Russians in Grozny in 1992.
As for military crimes, I`m eager to see Amirican generals from Iraq and Afganistan on gallow poles.
What were Russians doing in Grozny in 1992 ? Grozny is not Russian, so no need for Russians to be there yes ?

Like the Baltics...why so many Russians there also ? Russians seem to be like a disease that spreads everywhere. Diseases need to be "eradicated" ...like flea infested rats.

:)
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#19 Jul 22, 2010
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>well don't get offended when others call Russians animals. Do we have an understanding?
Russians don`t cut children`s fingers like Chechens.
By theway, what are those others?
Germanish nazi`s, good friends of your beloved Bandera?
Don`t foget, they called Ukranians just the same. lol,
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#21 Jul 22, 2010
Why_Me wrote:
<quoted text>
What were Russians doing in Grozny in 1992 ? Grozny is not Russian, so no need for Russians to be there yes ?
Like the Baltics...why so many Russians there also ? Russians seem to be like a disease that spreads everywhere. Diseases need to be "eradicated" ...like flea infested rats.
:)
Grozny was founded by Russian general Ermolov. It`s a Russian city.
I can tell you - what white Amaricans are doing in Amarica? It`s not your land, go back to Europe. lol.
You had killed your own Chechenians or had banished them to reservations, so shut up your dirty Amarican mouth.
Russian G

Podolsk, Russia

#22 Jul 22, 2010
Sticking your neck out wrote:
<quoted text> OHhhhhh look at the cute little Soviet,,, Oki Booo,,, is is sooo cute ,, yes you are yes you are!!!! Whos the cute one?? Ohhh you are,,, Give me a big kiss ,,,, Whose the party leader ,,, You are!!!!! You’re so adorable!!!! Say hello to Stalin for me cup cake!!!!!
Truth hurts Sticky?)))))
Before to blame others, take a look at yourself.

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