Genocide claims complicate Russian Olympics plans

Muhammed Cherkesov remembers his grandparents whispering about the Russian soldiers who drove his forefathers at gunpoint from their mountain homes down to the Black Sea coast in the mid-19th century. Full Story
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#1 Oct 13, 2011
Muhammed Cherkesov remembers his grandparents whispering about the Russian soldiers who drove his forefathers at gunpoint from their mountain homes down to the Black Sea coast in the mid-19th century.

The forced migration of the Muslim Circassians into the lowlands in and around Sochi where they were deported beyond the Russian Empire's borders killed about a third of the population through disease, starvation and exposure to the elements.

A century and a half later Russia wants to hold the 2014 Winter Olympics in the very same broad valleys and mountain slopes around Sochi that Circassians say hold the bones of their ancestors.

"We're talking about holding the Olympics over a mass grave of Circassians," said Cherkesov, a leader for the minority in Karachay-Cherkessia province in the North Caucasus, a patchwork of mostly Muslim regions along Russia's southern flank.

Many Circassians believe 1.5 million of their predecessors perished as Russian soldiers embarked on a mass expulsion of their people to ease the Tsar's conquest of the Caucasus region. European and Russian imperial historians say that number may be closer to 300,000.

Circassian extremists say they want to turn back the clock and gain independence from Russia. Most stand behind an increasingly vocal campaign to urge Russia to recognize the killings as genocide and to pave the way for the large Circassian diaspora to return to its historic homeland.

Russia has said the deaths were among the tragedies of war which both sides suffered as the Czar was closing his grip on the Caucasus Mountains region, but denies that amounted to genocide.

"We are not asking for any material compensation from Russia, we want Russia itself to say that unjust actions were taken against the Circassians and that this was the land of Circassians," said Cherkesov, speaking to Reuters in his spartan office surrounded by pictures of his forefathers dressed in traditional long red coats and high black boots.

Of the nearly eight million Circassians worldwide, only about 700,000 live in Russia. The rest are the descendants of the men and women who refused to bow to Russian rule and were carried off by the ships of the Ottoman Empire which resettled them in the far-flung stretches of its territories.

"We want Russia to acknowledge that there was genocide and accept the natural consequences, including the return of our territory and Moscow's acknowledgement of our sovereignty," Circassian advocate and writer Timur Kudayev said in an interview.

Russia's Circassians, separated by administrative boundaries across the Caucasus, have failed to unite under a single leader, complicating negotiations for both sides.

Some have threatened a fight for independence if their demands are not met, a move that would further inflame the volatile North Caucasus region.

Moscow is already grappling with violent insurgents that aim to turn the region into an Islamist state and have threatened to attack the Olympics at Sochi where athletes from around the world will be competing in a few years time.

The Circassian campaign attracted brief international attention in May when Georgia, which fought a brief war with Russia three years ago, recognized the 19th-century killings as genocide.

Moscow dismissed the move as one of many political provocations from its southern neighbor since Tbilisi was forced to sign a ceasefire to halt the fighting in 2008 and Moscow recognized as independent two rebel Georgian regions over which the war was fought.

The increasing pressure forced Russian lawmakers to meet with Circassian representatives earlier this year to discuss their demands, including the easing of repatriation laws that would help the diaspora travel and resettle freely in their North Caucasus homeland.



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#2 Oct 13, 2011
"Russia must think of this as a project for Circassians, including making their return easier, with money, land and a place to live," Cumhur Bal, of the Kafkas Associations Federation, an umbrella group representing the many Circassian groups scattered across Turkey, told Reuters from Ankara.

His organization, which was present at a meeting with Russian lawmakers in February, along with the leaders of several other Circassian groups, says between 400-500 Turkish citizens have already moved back to their historic homeland.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#3 Oct 13, 2011
Wouldn't these people just settle for seeing red machine defeated on its homefield. Why settle some 100 year old thing.

“Here i go!”

Since: Mar 11

Tambov, Russia

#4 Oct 13, 2011
Who are the Circassians??
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#5 Oct 13, 2011
I wonder what then they would say about USA in this respect if to apply 19 century history here...I mean genocide of first nations (indians), slavery, slave trade etc...Were there Olympic games in USA?
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Helsinki, Finland

#6 Oct 13, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
I wonder what then they would say about USA in this respect if to apply 19 century history here...I mean genocide of first nations (indians), slavery, slave trade etc...Were there Olympic games in USA?
They would give them the so called hush money although blacks didn't recieve any casinos like the natives did.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#7 Oct 13, 2011
hmmmm wrote:
I wonder what then they would say about USA in this respect if to apply 19 century history here...I mean genocide of first nations (indians), slavery, slave trade etc...Were there Olympic games in USA?
It seems you are off topic, and the situation is now Russian present history, scab. Not past American history.

This is the russian forum, radical fool. And it is your hateful russian fanaticism that has been reflected to the Caucasian people in the past that makes them resent all russians now. And this problem is a very serious, current russian problem, to say the least. Close your eyes to real problems. It would be interesting if some islamist terrorist blew your head off. And, would anyone cry for you? haha. It would be like a tree falling in a forest, with no one around. haha.
Anyhow, to the more mature and intelligent posters, this just adds more brush to the potential fire. Al quada has already stated they are going to have terrorist action at the games.
Small Town America UGX

Mays Landing, NJ

#8 Oct 13, 2011
Wolverine123 wrote:
Who are the Circassians??
Muslims from the Caucasus regions. Who have lived around the Sochi regions for centuries.

“Here i go!”

Since: Mar 11

Tambov, Russia

#9 Oct 14, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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Muslims from the Caucasus regions. Who have lived around the Sochi regions for centuries.
This is a non-existent problem. This is not topical in Russia today.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#10 Oct 14, 2011
dbdb wrote:
"Russia must think of this as a project for Circassians, including making their return easier, with money, land and a place to live," Cumhur Bal, of the Kafkas Associations Federation, an umbrella group representing the many Circassian groups scattered across Turkey, told Reuters from Ankara.
His organization, which was present at a meeting with Russian lawmakers in February, along with the leaders of several other Circassian groups, says between 400-500 Turkish citizens have already moved back to their historic homeland.
what about Turkey itself to make easier return of those christian nations to their native territories in what is now Turkish Anatolia whom they expelled from Anatolia (contemporary territory of Turkey) when they (Turks) invaded and captured these lands from Bisantine Empire? Constantinople (Istambul) was Greek city after all - how about double standards in this respect?- hehe...
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#11 Oct 14, 2011
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
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They would give them the so called hush money although blacks didn't recieve any casinos like the natives did.
No the blacks just received hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of welfare money.
Small Town America UGX

Estell Manor, NJ

#12 Oct 14, 2011
Wolverine123 wrote:
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This is a non-existent problem. This is not topical in Russia today.
But according to the Kremlin, the problem does exist today and they are concerned. So, who is right. The kremlin or you?

“Here i go!”

Since: Mar 11

Tambov, Russia

#13 Oct 15, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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But according to the Kremlin, the problem does exist today and they are concerned. So, who is right. The kremlin or you?
I said it not completely right. This is a very small problem. Insignificant for the whole country.

Since: Aug 11

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#14 Oct 15, 2011
Atlanta 1996 Olympics were held on historic Indian ground... but nobody was left alive to complain.

So Russians were in fact to nice by American standards. If they killed all the Circassian koranimal scum, nobody would complain now. And everything would go as planed, like in Atlanta.
Small Town America UGX

Linwood, NJ

#15 Oct 15, 2011
Wolverine123 wrote:
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I said it not completely right. This is a very small problem. Insignificant for the whole country.
My opinion is that your country's rulers also recognize this problem as serious, and not insignificant. And I agree with them.
Small Town America UGX

Linwood, NJ

#16 Oct 15, 2011
ShoutingGuard wrote:
Atlanta 1996 Olympics were held on historic Indian ground... but nobody was left alive to complain.
So Russians were in fact to nice by American standards. If they killed all the Circassian koranimal scum, nobody would complain now. And everything would go as planed, like in Atlanta.
Try eating real grain food for breakfast for a change , and lay off the chemical compounds of meth cereal. So you advocate the extermination of the Circassian people. WOW !! Geez, you sound like a neo-nazi slavic union kind of pervert. What a call for another impedientment against advancing civilization. I bet those Circassins think the same about you knowing your thinking. It seems that many Eastern Europeon and related countries, including Serbia and even Albania, still remain stuck in the primitive past.
Even though they have been in existence for thousands of years. Not much improvement. Geez, I wonder if it has something to do with your mindset.

Since: Apr 11

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#17 Oct 15, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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Try eating real grain food for breakfast for a change , and lay off the chemical compounds of meth cereal. So you advocate the extermination of the Circassian people. WOW !! Geez, you sound like a neo-nazi slavic union kind of pervert. What a call for another impedientment against advancing civilization. I bet those Circassins think the same about you knowing your thinking. It seems that many Eastern Europeon and related countries, including Serbia and even Albania, still remain stuck in the primitive past.
Even though they have been in existence for thousands of years. Not much improvement. Geez, I wonder if it has something to do with your mindset.
.

Shut up Sticks you stupid old fool you,
you never open your stupid gob without spouting abuse.
Small Town America UGX

Linwood, NJ

#18 Oct 15, 2011
AbeUG wrote:
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No the blacks just received hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of welfare money.
Geez, Abe. I wonder if it has something to do with buying votes for the demoRATS ? They receive all that free money, do not pay taxes, get a free ride, and are considered poor, whereas the working stiff, making an honest wage pays for this charade of welfare justice.

“Here i go!”

Since: Mar 11

Tambov, Russia

#19 Oct 19, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
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My opinion is that your country's rulers also recognize this problem as serious, and not insignificant. And I agree with them.
Sorry, but I better know, as a resident of Russia, what the problem is most relevant to her now. Corruption, poverty, health, sports, education ... The Circassians will occupy the lowest line in this list of problems.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Finland

#20 Oct 19, 2011
Wolverine123 wrote:
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Sorry, but I better know, as a resident of Russia, what the problem is most relevant to her now. Corruption, poverty, health, sports, education ... The Circassians will occupy the lowest line in this list of problems.
Did you peasants at Tambov get your money shipped off to Saint Petersburg again. Will Tsar have to send hmmko to surpress another revolt there,

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