Russia urges Georgia not to block its...

Russia urges Georgia not to block its WTO entry

There are 31 comments on the WPHL Philadelphia story from Aug 4, 2011, titled Russia urges Georgia not to block its WTO entry. In it, WPHL Philadelphia reports that:

President Dmitry Medvedev urged Georgia Thursday not to block Russia's entry to the World Trade Organization, saying it could help the two countries move toward eventually restoring diplomatic relations.

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“UG X”

Since: Jan 09

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#1 Aug 4, 2011
Why not. Give back Ossetia and Abkhasia and then Georgia will think about it. Until then kindly kiss Saakashvili's hairy dupa.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#2 Aug 5, 2011
We shouldn't join WTO, and Georgia is the only country that can save us from that organization. I hope Saakashvili will be strong in that question even if Americans are trying to pressure him.
Observer

UK

#3 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
We shouldn't join WTO, and Georgia is the only country that can save us from that organization. I hope Saakashvili will be strong in that question even if Americans are trying to pressure him.
I agree. Russia should not be allowed to join civilised global institutions until it demonstrates that is can behave in an appropriate way. You may have tried to stuff little Georgia, but it still can stick you where it hurts. Time for a rethink in your foreign policy perhaps or may be just different leaders eh?

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#4 Aug 5, 2011
Observer wrote:
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I agree. Russia should not be allowed to join civilised global institutions
WTO isn't a civilized institution, but an institution created for the dominance of the Western countries over the others. There are different rules for one countries and for other. How such system can be civilized?

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#5 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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WTO isn't a civilized institution, but an institution created for the dominance of the Western countries over the others. There are different rules for one countries and for other. How such system can be civilized?
After looking at a map of the countries in the WTO there seems to be a lot more than just western countries in it so your statements are bogus on their face.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#6 Aug 5, 2011
About our foreign policy - I agree with you - we shouldn't be so pro-Western as we are now.

ps Saudi Arabia and Zimbabwe are the member of WTO. It's about how civilized the country should be to join it. LOL

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#7 Aug 5, 2011
SWG wrote:
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After looking at a map of the countries in the WTO there seems to be a lot more than just western countries in it so your statements are bogus on their face.
Of course a lot more. This countries being dominated by other are necessary to make this system work.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#8 Aug 5, 2011
Then don't join and be isolationist. I could careless if you do or not. The only ones being hurt by it in the end will be you.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#9 Aug 5, 2011
SWG wrote:
Then don't join and be isolationist. I could careless if you do or not. The only ones being hurt by it in the end will be you.
Didn't join the dishonest organization isn't means to be an isolationist. It means being wise. We can be hurt if we'll join it on the unequal conditions, such as the West proposes to us. Why the USA so much want us to join? Because for them it will be better than for us.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#10 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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Didn't join the dishonest organization isn't means to be an isolationist. It means being wise. We can be hurt if we'll join it on the unequal conditions, such as the West proposes to us. Why the USA so much want us to join? Because for them it will be better than for us.
As I said before, I don't care if you do or not. Russia will still keep contracting engineers from the west. Will still keep buy equipment from the west at a higher rate so makes no difference to me one way or the other.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#11 Aug 5, 2011
SWG wrote:
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As I said before, I don't care if you do or not.
Then why do you bother about this topic?
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>Russia will still keep contracting engineers from the west. Will still keep buy equipment from the west at a higher rate so makes no difference to me one way or the other.
Being outside the WTO, for example, we can force the foreign car-makers to build the factories in Russia if they want to sell something here. Being in WTO it will be much harder to do so.
We hire the fired NASA engineers, the West hire our scientists. We buy satellite equipment in EU, NASA buy our rocket engines for their rockets. Don't see any problem there.

“UG X”

Since: Jan 09

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#12 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
About our foreign policy - I agree with you - we shouldn't be so pro-Western as we are now.
ps Saudi Arabia and Zimbabwe are the member of WTO. It's about how civilized the country should be to join it. LOL
Dont' worry, you'll never be accused of being westernized or civilized! Just stay where you are and let the nature work its way through.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#13 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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Then why do you bother about this topic?
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Being outside the WTO, for example, we can force the foreign car-makers to build the factories in Russia if they want to sell something here. Being in WTO it will be much harder to do so.
We hire the fired NASA engineers, the West hire our scientists. We buy satellite equipment in EU, NASA buy our rocket engines for their rockets. Don't see any problem there.
First off, you can't force ANY company to do anything it doesn't want to do. If they don't want to pay-off everyone under the sun there and can't get a good deal in place for themselves they WON"T build a factory there. There are already much larger markets elsewhere anyway. Second, Russia hires most of its oil production engineers, drilling and refining, from countries in the west. I don't see that stopping anytime soon. "IF" Russia were to join the WTO it "MIGHT" reduce the cost of products coming into Russia as a whole because of the ridiculous tariffs, inspections and bribes that must be paid. But I guess you may not find out. Lastly, I have given up on many here because all I see as that if anything has to do with the west in your eyes then it is bad and you just bash on it. What's the point in talking about it if all that happens is you run it down because it comes from the west? I have better things to do than argue a pointless battle.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#14 Aug 5, 2011
SWG wrote:
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First off, you can't force ANY company to do anything it doesn't want to do.
OK, forcing is a bit wrong word, it's stipulating through lesser tax duties. As a result, the price of producing the car in Russia is much lower than to export the foreign-made car into Russia. As a result, many foreign car-makers already built their factories in Russia and many are building them now. Withing WTO it will be hard to do such things.
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>There are already much larger markets elsewhere anyway.
There are no larger market in Europe.
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>Second, Russia hires most of its oil production engineers, drilling and refining, from countries in the west.
And so what? USA is hiring many foreign specialists too, why is it so bad?
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>"IF" Russia were to join the WTO it "MIGHT" reduce the cost of products coming into Russia as a whole because of the ridiculous tariffs, inspections and bribes that must be paid.
Yes, and this will be bad for our local producers. For example, EU is subsidizing its agriculture producers on almost a hundred of billions euros every year. So their products are cheap. Russia will have no right to do the same (because of the joining conditions), so with low tariffs on foreign food the Russian agriculture could be destroyed as a result of such competition, just like it's now happening in Ukraine.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#15 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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OK, forcing is a bit wrong word, it's stipulating through lesser tax duties. As a result, the price of producing the car in Russia is much lower than to export the foreign-made car into Russia. As a result, many foreign car-makers already built their factories in Russia and many are building them now. Withing WTO it will be hard to do such things.
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There are no larger market in Europe.
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And so what? USA is hiring many foreign specialists too, why is it so bad?
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Yes, and this will be bad for our local producers. For example, EU is subsidizing its agriculture producers on almost a hundred of billions euros every year. So their products are cheap. Russia will have no right to do the same (because of the joining conditions), so with low tariffs on foreign food the Russian agriculture could be destroyed as a result of such competition, just like it's now happening in Ukraine.
Why would you think that building cars in Russia would be more difficult to export if you were in the WTO as apposed to now? Would they demand higher or equal wages be paid in Russia as in the EU? I don't know about the restrictions.

I didn't say it was a bad thing to bring in Tech help. What I meant is "MAYBE" the rates from companies supplying the help might lower the rate charged to Russia if they are a part of the WTO. I would think that would be part of the reason to even have a WTO..))) I could be wrong. Aside from this you might be surprised at how few foreign workers are hired in high-end tech jobs in the US, such as engineers. There are some and even more if the job-site is out of the US but in the US most are citizens of the US.

As far as agriculture goes, I didn't think it is that large a product of Russia to begin with, is it? The growing season there would seem to be very short because of the extreme weather conditions. I can see how Ukraine would be devastated over it because a large part of the GNP was agriculture. Last time I was there it seemed to be shrinking at an alarming rate. Is really a shame for them because the best growing land in Europe is there.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#16 Aug 5, 2011
SWG wrote:
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Why would you think that building cars in Russia would be more difficult to export if you were in the WTO as apposed to now? Would they demand higher or equal wages be paid in Russia as in the EU? I don't know about the restrictions.
The wages in Russia is similar to Eastern Europe. But it will be much cheaper to build it in China (WTO member and Russia's neighbor) and export in Russia in this case.
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say it was a bad thing to bring in Tech help. What I meant is "MAYBE" the rates from companies supplying the help might lower the rate charged to Russia if they are a part of the WTO. I would think that would be part of the reason to even have a WTO..)))
That isn't a question that care us so much. Russian companies are ready to pay them a few times more than they can get in EU or USA if this is a really good specialist.
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>As far as agriculture goes, I didn't think it is that large a product of Russia to begin with, is it? The growing season there would seem to be very short because of the extreme weather conditions.
We have good lands near the Black Sea where the weather conditions are usually good. And Siberia have some decent lands too for wheat production. Before the last year's drought Russia was the world's largest wheat exporter. Anyway, it's a matter of our national security - we should produce at least 80% of food that we need for us. This is important in case of instability on the world markets or in case of the next world war.
SWG wrote:
<quoted text>I can see how Ukraine would be devastated over it because a large part of the GNP was agriculture. Last time I was there it seemed to be shrinking at an alarming rate. Is really a shame for them because the best growing land in Europe is there.
They can't compete with cheap state-subsidized food from EU. They have no right to subsidize its own producers and they can't raise the custom tariffs because of WTO conditions that they signed. They just can't do anything because of WTO.
Observer

UK

#17 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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WTO isn't a civilized institution, but an institution created for the dominance of the Western countries over the others. There are different rules for one countries and for other. How such system can be civilized?
You Russian moron. WTO has rules - which is what makes it civilised. Compare that with the anarchy you call Russia lol!
Observer

UK

#18 Aug 5, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
About our foreign policy - I agree with you - we shouldn't be so pro-Western as we are now.
ps Saudi Arabia and Zimbabwe are the member of WTO. It's about how civilized the country should be to join it. LOL
So if it is so against Russias interests, why do your leaders want so badly to join it? The longer Russia is excluded from the WTO, the better for all concerned.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#19 Aug 5, 2011
Observer wrote:
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You Russian moron. WTO has rules - which is what makes it civilised. Compare that with the anarchy you call Russia lol!
Who is moron if you just can't understand what I've said? One rules for one countries and another rules for another countries - this is not civilized, but barbaric.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#20 Aug 5, 2011
Observer wrote:
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So if it is so against Russias interests, why do your leaders want so badly to join it?
Because they're pro-Western too much and they want to make a pleasure to the USA.

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