US, Russia must work to combat intern...

US, Russia must work to combat international crime

There are 19 comments on the Centre Daily Times story from Oct 5, 2010, titled US, Russia must work to combat international crime. In it, Centre Daily Times reports that:

President Barack Obama's national security adviser said Tuesday that nations need to work together better to combat money laundering and other crimes that send arms, drugs and other deadly weapons across international borders.

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“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#1 Oct 6, 2010
Perhaps if the Obama administration tried being more cooperative on other issues...?

No reason to constantly paint the Russian Federation the enemy. The cold war era is long past.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#2 Oct 6, 2010
Uther, we may be working together more than meets the eye: "Intelligence sources report from Iran that dozens of Russian nuclear engineers, technicians and contractors are hurriedly departing Iran for home since local intelligence authorities began rounding up their compatriots as suspects of planting the Stuxnet malworm into their nuclear program..."

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#3 Oct 6, 2010
The USA and the Russian Federation have similar interests when it comes to Islamist radicalism. On many other issues as well interests coincide. Too bad there are hardliners in both nations who still harbor grudges from the past century.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#4 Oct 6, 2010
uther pendragon wrote:
The USA and the Russian Federation have similar interests when it comes to Islamist radicalism. On many other issues as well interests coincide. Too bad there are hardliners in both nations who still harbor grudges from the past century.
I agree. I still like my idea of a "highway" connecting Russia and Alaska/USA. At least building it would employ some folks, esp if Russia funded it.
Live Free or Die

Montpelier, VT

#5 Oct 6, 2010
Kenhunt wrote:
Uther, we may be working together more than meets the eye: "Intelligence sources report from Iran that dozens of Russian nuclear engineers, technicians and contractors are hurriedly departing Iran for home since local intelligence authorities began rounding up their compatriots as suspects of planting the Stuxnet malworm into their nuclear program..."
European digital security company Kaspersky Labs released a statement that described Stuxnet as "a working and fearsome prototype of a cyber-weapon that will lead to the creation of a new arms race in the world." Kevin Hogan, Senior Director of Security Response at Symantec, noted that 60 percent of the infected computers worldwide were in Iran, suggesting its industrial plants were the target.[12] Kaspersky Labs concluded that the attacks could only have been conducted "with nation-state support", making Iran the first target of real cyber warfare

Israel

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#6 Oct 6, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
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European digital security company Kaspersky Labs released a statement that described Stuxnet as "a working and fearsome prototype of a cyber-weapon that will lead to the creation of a new arms race in the world." Kevin Hogan, Senior Director of Security Response at Symantec, noted that 60 percent of the infected computers worldwide were in Iran, suggesting its industrial plants were the target.[12] Kaspersky Labs concluded that the attacks could only have been conducted "with nation-state support", making Iran the first target of real cyber warfare
Israel
Probably, but something I have noted about Obama is he is no bluster but very subtle and deliberate when he goes about "getting even" with folks like Ahmadinijad. Cyber war is very dangerous to us all.
Jacko in the house

Chicago, IL

#7 Oct 6, 2010
Do you guys know who Charles Wilson is?(wiki) He was best known for leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation, which under the Reagan administration supplied military equipment, including anti-aircraft weapons such as Stinger antiaircraft missiles, and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. His behind-the-scenes campaign was the subject of the non-fiction book Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile and a subsequent film adaptation starring Tom Hanks as Wilson.

During WW11 the Soviets only asked US for supplies to help fight Hitler, who turned on them. The US fell through with even that, and did not offer any help till Rusiia was slaughtered. Then the US pulled this stuff in Afganistan. I can't believe Russia even gives us the time of day.

“Trust no one in politics.”

Since: Apr 08

Pompano Beach, FL

#8 Oct 6, 2010
Jacko in the house wrote:
Do you guys know who Charles Wilson is?(wiki) He was best known for leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation, which under the Reagan administration supplied military equipment, including anti-aircraft weapons such as Stinger antiaircraft missiles, and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. His behind-the-scenes campaign was the subject of the non-fiction book Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile and a subsequent film adaptation starring Tom Hanks as Wilson.
During WW11 the Soviets only asked US for supplies to help fight Hitler, who turned on them. The US fell through with even that, and did not offer any help till Rusiia was slaughtered. Then the US pulled this stuff in Afganistan. I can't believe Russia even gives us the time of day.
The USA supported Islamist radicalism in Afghanistan with the mujahedeen. The Soviets armed Iran and Syria and through them Hezbollah. Neither side in the cold war demonstrated any common sense in their dealings with terrorist crazies in the Moslem world.
Theo

Germany

#9 Oct 6, 2010
just uss and some others are responsiblee for these international crimes of every time from global robbery, through global corruption till global crime against humanity and genocide. It is irritating what this hypocritical guy thinks out.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#10 Oct 6, 2010
Jacko in the house wrote:
Do you guys know who Charles Wilson is?(wiki) He was best known for leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation, which under the Reagan administration supplied military equipment, including anti-aircraft weapons such as Stinger antiaircraft missiles, and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. His behind-the-scenes campaign was the subject of the non-fiction book Charlie Wilson's War by George Crile and a subsequent film adaptation starring Tom Hanks as Wilson.
During WW11 the Soviets only asked US for supplies to help fight Hitler, who turned on them. The US fell through with even that, and did not offer any help till Rusiia was slaughtered. Then the US pulled this stuff in Afganistan. I can't believe Russia even gives us the time of day.
Have you heard of the Murmansk run? Have you ever read a history book?

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#11 Oct 7, 2010
uther pendragon wrote:
<quoted text>
The USA supported Islamist radicalism in Afghanistan with the mujahedeen. The Soviets armed Iran and Syria and through them Hezbollah. Neither side in the cold war demonstrated any common sense in their dealings with terrorist crazies in the Moslem world.
Islamist radicalism is part and parcel of Islam and has been since the year 700 more or less; there was nothing peculiar to the Mujahadin: where there are Muslims, there are terrorist crazies aplenty. We assisted a group fighting the Soviets, as Charlie Wilson said, to get even for the Soviets' role in the Vietnam war. Our support was really quite minimal. And yes, the cold war in retrospect makes both sides look even goofier.
Bill Clinton - Jacko

Chicago, IL

#12 Oct 7, 2010
Kenhunt wrote:
<quoted text>Have you heard of the Murmansk run? Have you ever read a history book?
I'ce read enough of them to know not to believe them all. The Murmansk was a galiant effort to supply Russia with hardware to challenge Hitler. We lost many men, probably thousands. But, we waited until Russia lost millions before we entered into direct combat. The US has never lost "millions". in a war.
To say that Charlie Wilson and US arming of Afgan muslims during the Soviet era had little effect on the overall war is not correct. Afganistan was all but demolished, defeated, and destroyed when Russian choppers started falling out of the sky like rain from American made stinger missiles. If Russia had completed the job, 911 may have been prevented because Osama bin Ladan would have had to drop his plan, or carry it out from Arabia, where they don't tolerate their largest oil customer being tampered with. He may have just been extinguished with most of the other Afgan fighters.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#13 Oct 7, 2010
If a frog had wings...

We did not wait on the Soviets at all, though faced with whom to support, Hitler or Stalin, a pause would have been appropriate. You want inexcusable waiting, look when the Russians finally declared war on Japan, two days after Hiroshima.

If you want, say so here, and I will post some numbers and timelines to justify my lead-in sentence.
Jacko ITH

Chicago, IL

#14 Oct 8, 2010
I don't believe the pause was due to deciding weather to support Hitler or Stalin, because we quickly supported Stalin. Ever hear of the Murmansk (sarcasm)?
America could not bare to enter another war, and we kept our heads in the sand as long as possible.
We were insecure about any other world point of view besides ours being equal to us in power. That is why we interfered in Afganistan.
The first scenerio was one of fear. The second, insecurity. Both were somewhat justified. But we certainly did not build integrity. How could Russia have helped in Japan? They took on too many casualities fighting the Germans.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#15 Oct 8, 2010
Jacko ITH wrote:
I don't believe the pause was due to deciding weather to support Hitler or Stalin, because we quickly supported Stalin. Ever hear of the Murmansk (sarcasm)?
America could not bare to enter another war, and we kept our heads in the sand as long as possible.
We were insecure about any other world point of view besides ours being equal to us in power. That is why we interfered in Afganistan.
The first scenerio was one of fear. The second, insecurity. Both were somewhat justified. But we certainly did not build integrity. How could Russia have helped in Japan? They took on too many casualities fighting the Germans.
I don't see the parallel to Afghanistan at all. We were attacked from Afghanistan's training camps and should have stayed out of Iraq and creamed Afghanistan.

To you last question, Russia had a huge number of soldiers deployed in and around China but refused to use them against Japan. Look it up. We went to Europe and in fact could have simply let that part of the war run its course. The B-29 was designed to bomb Europe from America, so we actually considered staying back.

We did not enter the European theater for several reasons, and surely one was concern about Stalin. Do you think we thought he was benign? And another, from where we sat, The British PM announced he had found peace in our day on his visit with the Third Reich. Surely, if he was not worried, why should we be? Also, recall that we went, admittedly belatedly, to the "war to end all wars," WWI, and sure enough it wasn't, so why go to another EUROPEAN war? So many EUROPEAN countries just rolled over for Hitler, why should Americans die for them AGAIN? And last, we were indeed isolationist and our military barely existed in 1940. We had to gin up a military industrial capacity from essentially nothing, raise an Army from 9 training divisions to the 185 we had by Normandy. I could go on and talk about our Army Air Corp and its pitiful planes...but suffice it to say that none of the main aircraft we use in Europe even existed in 1940. Our navy was almost nil, and our merchant marines were slim. And then, there was that little thing in the Pacific.
Live Free or Die

Montpelier, VT

#16 Oct 8, 2010
Kenhunt wrote:
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I don't see the parallel to Afghanistan at all. We were attacked from Afghanistan's training camps and should have stayed out of Iraq and creamed Afghanistan.
Well, the Soviets weren't sidetracked by Iraq and couldn't 'cream' Afghanistan. Do you really think we're doing any better, even without our own help against ourselves?

An infidel is an infidel in them tha'r parts.
Live Free or Die

Montpelier, VT

#17 Oct 8, 2010
And just to add icing on the bitter rum cake. in those days we even had the Shah of Iran next door, who's favorite passtime was waterboarding the opposition. Who've we got now, Ahmadinejad? Same hobby, wrong opposition.:-(

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#18 Oct 8, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
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Well, the Soviets weren't sidetracked by Iraq and couldn't 'cream' Afghanistan. Do you really think we're doing any better, even without our own help against ourselves?
An infidel is an infidel in them tha'r parts.
The Soviets IMHO never tried to finish their job there. Yes, I think we are doing substantially better but we are far too gentle to ultimately defeat all the bad in Afghanistan. I think we will see the Taliban sue for some kind of peace soon, but it won't be pretty. You are right about infidels in any Islamic country.
Jacko ITH

Chicago, IL

#19 Oct 14, 2010
I believe that after the US leaves Afganistan, the Russian will play tag team with us, and begin trying their new toys on that country. For some reason, Afganistan likes to be a punching bag for everyone. They better think twice about trying to export their philosophy, because they will pay a severe price if they don't modernize to the point that they reject fundementalist islam. They couold end up nuked, once and for all.

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