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Ever-closer ties between Russia and Ukraine?

There are 51 comments on the St Petersburg News story from Aug 11, 2011, titled Ever-closer ties between Russia and Ukraine?. In it, St Petersburg News reports that:

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“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#1 Aug 11, 2011
It´s great to see Ukrainka´s back on track & licking Russian butts again.
Someone has to smooth things soon.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#2 Aug 12, 2011
The discussion was ended by a complete failure. No one question was resolved. Yanukovych demanded the lower gas prices, blackmailing Russia by Tymosheko's possible imprisonment, but Medvedev refused to give any discount.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#3 Aug 12, 2011
As far as I know, Ukraine began the discussion about the free trade with EU. EU is not very scrupulous and ready to negotiate with the current Ukrainian government about this question.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#4 Aug 12, 2011
Complete failure was expected by all.
Anybody that deals with Ukrainkas these days already knows it.
Whether Yulka stays locked, should Russia gives a hoot ? It´ll do her good.
Weekly showers are offered, what more does Yulka want ?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#5 Aug 12, 2011
Ukrainians agree to Moskali demands! Never.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#6 Aug 12, 2011
Pro Ukraine wrote:
Ukrainians agree to Moskali demands! Never.
It's your leader Yanukovych who came to Russia to demand something, after Medvedev cancelled his visit to Ukraine. Russia had no interest in this discussions at all. Especially considering the situation with our Ukrainian friend Yulia Tymoshenko who is under arrest now...

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#7 Aug 12, 2011
Kiev Court says Tymoshenko arrest cannot be appealed
KIEV, August 12 (RIA Novosti)

The Kiev Appeals Court refused on Friday to accept an appeal against the arrest of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

ps And that is Ukrainian response on Russia's refusal on Ukraine's gas discount demands. What a wild barbarian country! Shame on Ukraine.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#8 Aug 12, 2011
Yanuko crawls to Russia just to be told hit the road ?
Yulka´s your friend now or are Russians trying to cover up her dealings ?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#9 Aug 12, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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It's your leader Yanukovych who came to Russia to demand something, after Medvedev cancelled his visit to Ukraine. Russia had no interest in this discussions at all. Especially considering the situation with our Ukrainian friend Yulia Tymoshenko who is under arrest now...
Ukraine is heading for closer links with the EU whether you like it or not, no amount of pressure will make it join your crappy customs union.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#10 Aug 12, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
Kiev Court says Tymoshenko arrest cannot be appealed
KIEV, August 12 (RIA Novosti)
The Kiev Appeals Court refused on Friday to accept an appeal against the arrest of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.
ps And that is Ukrainian response on Russia's refusal on Ukraine's gas discount demands. What a wild barbarian country! Shame on Ukraine.
That's no surprise.
A Russian calling Ukraine a wild barbarian country, HAHAHAHAHA, good one.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

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#11 Aug 12, 2011
Pesky army wrote:
Yanuko crawls to Russia just to be told hit the road ?
Yulka´s your friend now or are Russians trying to cover up her dealings ?
She was a friend before and she is a friend now. She was a good negotiator during the gas crisis times and we are happy by the result of this negotiations. We backed her in the presidential elections, but she had lost to Yanukovych. She use anti-Russian rhetoric sometimes, but only to win some more votes. You know, Ukrainian is not even her native language - she learned it being already adult. Russian is her native language.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#12 Aug 12, 2011
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Ukraine is heading for closer links with the EU whether you like it or not, no amount of pressure will make it join your crappy customs union.
Nobody is trying to force Ukraine to join it, but when your stupid president is coming here and demanding the gas discount we are giving him the deal proposals how to do that. Join the custom customs union, or sell the Naftogas, or propose something else. Otherwise what is a reason for Russia to give you the gas price discount? But you're the same stupid as your beloved president, so probably you can't understand that...

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#13 Aug 12, 2011
That´s a surprise to me. Yulka´s a Russian then that puts on her flits.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#14 Aug 12, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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She was a friend before and she is a friend now. She was a good negotiator during the gas crisis times and we are happy by the result of this negotiations. We backed her in the presidential elections, but she had lost to Yanukovych. She use anti-Russian rhetoric sometimes, but only to win some more votes. You know, Ukrainian is not even her native language - she learned it being already adult. Russian is her native language.
Are you joking? Russians backed Yanukovych and you know it, you really are dumb to suggest that the Kremlin wanted the queen of the orange revolution to win.
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UK

#15 Aug 12, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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Nobody is trying to force Ukraine to join it, but when your stupid president is coming here and demanding the gas discount we are giving him the deal proposals how to do that. Join the custom customs union, or sell the Naftogas, or propose something else. Otherwise what is a reason for Russia to give you the gas price discount? But you're the same stupid as your beloved president, so probably you can't understand that...
Yanukovych isn't my beloved president, I can't stand him, but I'll support Ukraine against Russia any day. The Russians are using the Customs union as a bribe to get a discount on gas, it won't work, Ukraine wants closer links with the EU.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#16 Aug 12, 2011
Somehow, the queen ended in jail.
Now, she´s waiting to shower on Sunday.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

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#17 Aug 12, 2011
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Are you joking? Russians backed Yanukovych and you know it, you really are dumb to suggest that the Kremlin wanted the queen of the orange revolution to win.
You are really dumb if you think that Russia backed the representative of Ukrainian oligarchs who want only to legalize themselves and their money in Europe (that's why the free trade agreement with EU is a paramount for Yanukovych). Officially Russia didn't backed anybody, but unofficially the gas princess was the best option for Russia.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#18 Aug 12, 2011
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>Yanukovych isn't my beloved president, I can't stand him, but I'll support Ukraine against Russia any day. The Russians are using the Customs union as a bribe to get a discount on gas, it won't work, Ukraine wants closer links with the EU.
Then why do you always dancing around asking Russia for gas discount? Want to have closer links with EU - go to EU and ask them. I doubt they'll give you even a penny without intention to rob you much more, but that if not our problem. We are happy with the gas contract that we have and we don't want to talk about it.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#19 Aug 12, 2011
Ukrainka´s light years away from EU.
Why would EU spent millions to build new fence at the Slovak border ?
Just to keep those Ukra cigarettes smugglers away ?
Ukrainka won´t be allowed to EU for decades.
Pro Ukraine

Portsmouth, UK

#20 Aug 12, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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You are really dumb if you think that Russia backed the representative of Ukrainian oligarchs who want only to legalize themselves and their money in Europe (that's why the free trade agreement with EU is a paramount for Yanukovych). Officially Russia didn't backed anybody, but unofficially the gas princess was the best option for Russia.
Nonesense, Yanukoviych is pro Russian and was the best option for Russia, see the article below.
Yulia isn't as pro Russian as you seem to think, she always speaks Ukrainian and in court said that she had forgotten how to speak Russian, which probably isn't true, but shows her contempt for Russia. She wouldn't have extended the lease on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopil, Like Yanukovych or brought in his Russification programme. In the presidential elections her biggest support was in Western Ukraine with her lowest being in the Russified areas of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.
I have come to the conclusion that the only reason you support Yulia is because you fancy her, you are the only Russian or pro Russian on here who supports her.
Incidentally, Yushchenko's first language is also Russian, he was born in Eastern Ukraine, but unlike Yanukovych he took the trouble to learn Ukrainian.
At the time of the elections Yanukovych was seen as anti EU so your arguements don't wash.

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