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Poland: Russians made mistakes in 2010 plane crash - AP

There are 33 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Jul 29, 2011, titled Poland: Russians made mistakes in 2010 plane crash - AP. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

A Polish report into the 2010 plane crash in Russia that killed President Lech Kaczynski and 95 others says Russian air traffic controllers gave incorrect landing instructions to pilots.

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SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#21 Jul 29, 2011
M_A_X_I_M wrote:
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It's my version about sophisticated murder without artificial fog and magnetic field perturbation.
1. Putin knew about fog before Kachinsky's visit
2. Knowing Kachinsky's brave temper this KGB-ist offers an other airfield!! What could be more meaner??? Sure thing, Kachinsky rejects this and makes decision about landing.
Ahh...Could be BUT, one little snag in your proposed plan my friend. Once the plane is off the ground the pilot has 100% control. So the pilot was in on it and sacrificed his life for the greater good of the Mother Land then?...)))) Interesting theory)))) And yes, it was all tragic and was all an accident and sad but it is fun to mix things up with the overabundant conspiracy people, isn't it?...Be well.
JimBob

Kitchener, Canada

#22 Jul 29, 2011
Old string of Christmas bulbs were the only landing strip lights.

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#23 Jul 29, 2011
JimBob wrote:
Old string of Christmas bulbs were the only landing strip lights.
If it is daytime you don't need landing lights. NEXT..........
Annie

UK

#24 Jul 29, 2011
Mistakes on both sides, no conspiracy. A tragedy that should be put to rest now.
JimBob

Kitchener, Canada

#25 Jul 29, 2011
SWG wrote:
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If it is daytime you don't need landing lights. NEXT..........
Smolensk airport had no instrument landing system shoddy airport.
Next..........

SWG

Since: Feb 10

Houston, Texas

#26 Jul 29, 2011
JimBob wrote:
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Smolensk airport had no instrument landing system shoddy airport.
Next..........
OH, so the instruments in the plane didn't work either, right? If they were unsure or unfamiliar they should not have attempted to land there, right? NEXT.........

“Ethically confused ”

Since: Feb 10

Culturally aware

#27 Jul 30, 2011
Visibility was poor and the weather soupy,,, Equipment was antiquated {on both sides} and both party’s spoke completely different languages. Blame can be placed in a number of areas but there is really nothing conclusive so let’s all just chalk it up to sometimes tragic things happen,,, No real way around it.
Annie

UK

#28 Jul 30, 2011
JimBob wrote:
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Smolensk airport had no instrument landing system shoddy airport.
Next..........
It has been closed for military use since I think oct 2009 and was no longer equipped for such a flight to land in such conditions. International delegations should automatically have been redirected to the nearest airport if equipment was not available to deal with all weather conditions. The delegation arriving for the official ceremony a couple of days earlier had additional equipment installed in advance. If that was not available then the airport should have been closed. Poor infrastructure should = no flights allowed to land. This was a disaster waiting to happen.
Annie

UK

#29 Jul 30, 2011
Sticking your neck out wrote:
Visibility was poor and the weather soupy,,, Equipment was antiquated {on both sides} and both party’s spoke completely different languages. Blame can be placed in a number of areas but there is really nothing conclusive so let’s all just chalk it up to sometimes tragic things happen,,, No real way around it.
It is not going to bring anyone back, but both sides should be open about failures. Better to have both been open about mistakes from the start. This ridiculous "cloak and dagger" subterfuge has only encouraged the growth of stupid conspiracy theories and suspicion.
Annie

UK

#30 Jul 30, 2011
SWG wrote:
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OH, so the instruments in the plane didn't work either, right? If they were unsure or unfamiliar they should not have attempted to land there, right? NEXT.........
Neither should the Russian cargo plane that attempted to land twice I think an hour earlier.... it is the responsibility of air traffic control to ensure safe landing of planes. If it is too dangerous to land they have the right to close an airport.
Marcin

Kraków, Poland

#31 Jul 30, 2011
Annie wrote:
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It has been closed for military use since I think oct 2009 and was no longer equipped for such a flight to land in such conditions. International delegations should automatically have been redirected to the nearest airport if equipment was not available to deal with all weather conditions. The delegation arriving for the official ceremony a couple of days earlier had additional equipment installed in advance. If that was not available then the airport should have been closed. Poor infrastructure should = no flights allowed to land. This was a disaster waiting to happen.
If you we add random air traffic controllers at Smolensk airport and bad visit preparations on Polish side you have the disaster.

There is one more think which has been omited.

According to recordings of controlers conwersations, despite of awful weather conditions till the last moment central office in Moscow (air traffic controlers were communicating with sb in Moscow) didnt appoint alternative airport despite of asking by controlers from Smole&#324;sk. Air traffic controlers after consulting in Moscow told Polish pilots to continue the landing/descent. Russian has the obligation to close this airoport. Not closing the airport in such weather condition was breaking the Russian Federation law.
Annie

UK

#32 Jul 30, 2011
Marcin wrote:
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According to recordings of controlers conwersations, despite of awful weather conditions till the last moment central office in Moscow (air traffic controlers were communicating with sb in Moscow) didnt appoint alternative airport despite of asking by controlers from Smole&#324;sk. Air traffic controlers after consulting in Moscow told Polish pilots to continue the landing/descent. Russian has the obligation to close this airoport. Not closing the airport in such weather condition was breaking the Russian Federation law.
perhaps if they could have admitted to that then relations between the two countries would have been hugely improved. All this holding onto evidence and smoke and mirror tactics have just created more distance.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#33 Jul 30, 2011
Annie wrote:
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It is not going to bring anyone back, but both sides should be open about failures. Better to have both been open about mistakes from the start. This ridiculous "cloak and dagger" subterfuge has only encouraged the growth of stupid conspiracy theories and suspicion.
But have you not been one of the main architects of bizarre conspiracy theories on this forum?

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