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Russians to Rally for Kuril Islands in Far East

There are 17 comments on the RIA Novosti story from Feb 10, 2012, titled Russians to Rally for Kuril Islands in Far East. In it, RIA Novosti reports that:

An authorized rally supporting Russia's position that the South Kuril Islands belong to the country will be held on Saturday in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, the capital of the Sakhalin Region in Russia's Far East, a spokesman for a labor union association said.

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“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#1 Feb 10, 2012
good for Russia and the Russians. The Japanese must have gone stupid to think that they could lose a war and still make the terms of the peace. In fact since Japan is being the Jerks they are, Russia should stop all Japanese tourism on to the Kurile Islands and if the japanese don't like it. too bad.

The Kurile Islands are importnt to Russia's defense.
abc

United States

#2 Feb 10, 2012
Kuril Islands belong to Japan.

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#3 Feb 10, 2012
the Kurile Islandes belong to Russia who won them fair and square in WWWII. And the Japanese do not have a say in the matter. They were on the losing side.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#4 Feb 10, 2012
Stefanya wrote:
the Kurile Islandes belong to Russia who won them fair and square in WWWII. And the Japanese do not have a say in the matter. They were on the losing side.
I'm so glad you feel that way, Stefanya. Could you please talk some sense into those "palestinian" beggars and also to America's "Indians"? They are such whiners!

“Hope for Best- Expect Worst”

Since: Jan 07

Somewhere in Colorado

#5 Feb 11, 2012
Go Russia Go. The Russian rally on the Kuriles will show the Japanese that their whining will not change history.
Historian

New Zealand

#6 Feb 17, 2012
Stefanya wrote:
good for Russia and the Russians. The Japanese must have gone stupid to think that they could lose a war and still make the terms of the peace. In fact since Japan is being the Jerks they are, Russia should stop all Japanese tourism on to the Kurile Islands and if the japanese don't like it. too bad.
The Kurile Islands are importnt to Russia's defense.
In these days of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), some rocks like the Kurils are completely irrelevant.
And, historically, all the Kurils are Japanese home territory, agreed peacefully by Russia (Petersburg, 1875).
WWII provisions removed from Japan territories "gained by violence or greed", i.e. after the imperialist constitution, 1890.
For a few days' war, after America, Oz & NZ had done all the fighting, Russia picked up Manchuria, half of Korea and Sakhalin. And China went communist. A wonderful deal for Russia.
The Kurils were occupied after Japan had surrendered and were the Russian occupation zone of Japan. America occupied the rest and has withdrawn from all but the Ryukyus.
The final withdrawal of America from the Ryukyus depends upon Russia's withdrawal from the Kurils.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#7 Feb 18, 2012
The island of Hokkaido should be returned under Russia's sovereignty.
As for Kurils - it's not a metter of discussions at all, Japan lost all possible rights on it as a result of their unconditional surrender in WW2 and this is written in the Treaty of San Francisco which is signed by Japan. The document officially renounces Japan's treaty rights derived from the Boxer Protocol of 1901 and its rights to Korea, Taiwan and the Pescadores, Hong Kong, the Kuril Islands, the Spratly Islands, Antarctica and Sakhalin Island.
Historian

New Zealand

#8 Feb 18, 2012
coolncrazy wrote:
The island of Hokkaido should be returned under Russia's sovereignty.
As for Kurils - it's not a metter of discussions at all, Japan lost all possible rights on it as a result of their unconditional surrender in WW2 and this is written in the Treaty of San Francisco which is signed by Japan. The document officially renounces Japan's treaty rights derived from the Boxer Protocol of 1901 and its rights to Korea, Taiwan and the Pescadores, Hong Kong, the Kuril Islands, the Spratly Islands, Antarctica and Sakhalin Island.
Yes but MacArthur ruled in Tokyo at that time and the leader of Japan's delegation, Yoshida, objected at the time that the Kurils were not obtained "by violence or greed", which territories the Allies determined to free from Japan. But Yoshida's first priority was to free his country from foreign occupation: he acted under duress, which is not a valid basis. Still, he got Japan free again at the price of leaving the Americans occupying the Ryukyus and disclaiming the Kurils - but not in favour of anyone.
I'm not aware that the Russians ever even occupied Hokkaido (except for some tiny islets off Nemuro) so how could it be "returned"?
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#9 Feb 18, 2012
abc wrote:
Kuril Islands belong to Japan.
psychotic troll abc belongs to mental facility.
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#10 Feb 18, 2012
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>

And, historically, all the Kurils are Japanese home territory, agreed peacefully by Russia (Petersburg, 1875).
WWII provisions removed from Japan territories "gained by violence or greed", i.e. after the imperialist constitution, 1890.
For a few days' war, after America, Oz & NZ had done all the fighting, Russia picked up Manchuria, half of Korea and Sakhalin. And China went communist. A wonderful deal for Russia.
The Kurils were occupied after Japan had surrendered and were the Russian occupation zone of Japan. America occupied the rest and has withdrawn from all but the Ryukyus.
The final withdrawal of America from the Ryukyus depends upon Russia's withdrawal from the Kurils.
and when you will withdraw from New Zealand which belongs to maori?
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#11 Feb 18, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>I'm so glad you feel that way, Stefanya. Could you please talk some sense into those "palestinian" beggars and also to America's "Indians"? They are such whiners!
so by your logics Palestians pretending that Israel has no right to exist and those American Indians who pretend to get independance from USA has the same extend of legitimacy as those Japaneese claiming Kuril islands?- hehe, Russians will probably agree...LOL!!!
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#12 Feb 18, 2012
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>

The final withdrawal of America from the Ryukyus depends upon Russia's withdrawal from the Kurils.
kind of like the dissolution of NATO depended upon dissolution of Warsaw Pact?- ROFL !!!!
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#13 Feb 18, 2012
what about Belau and other islands USA got from Japan after ww2?- when will USA withdraw ?
hmmmm

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#14 Feb 18, 2012
and when will USA withdraw from Texas?- isn't it originally Mexican land?

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#15 Feb 18, 2012
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>But Yoshida's first priority was to free his country from foreign occupation: he acted under duress, which is not a valid basis.
Unconditional surrender of Japanese aggressors is a valid basis. If they want some of their former colonies back - they are welcome to try to get them the same way as they got them in the past. By force.
Historian wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not aware that the Russians ever even occupied Hokkaido (except for some tiny islets off Nemuro) so how could it be "returned"?
Hokkaido belonged to Ainu people, but were conquered by Japan. We want it back the same way as Japan want our Kuril islands, which never was under the rule of modern (after the surrender) Japanese state.
Historian

New Zealand

#16 Feb 18, 2012
hmmmm wrote:
what about Belau and other islands USA got from Japan after ww2?- when will USA withdraw ?
Belau and the other Pacific territories were part of those acquired "by violence or greed" - after 1890.
The Kuril Islands are not in that category
Historian

New Zealand

#17 Feb 18, 2012
coolncrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Unconditional surrender of Japanese aggressors is a valid basis. If they want some of their former colonies back - they are welcome to try to get them the same way as they got them in the past. By force.
<quoted text>
Hokkaido belonged to Ainu people, but were conquered by Japan. We want it back the same way as Japan want our Kuril islands, which never was under the rule of modern (after the surrender) Japanese state.
Japan kept the Soviet-Japanese pact signed in 1941.
They could have invaded the Far East when the Germans were at the gates of Moscow. They didn't. They committed no aggression against Russia. They committed aggression against the USA, China, UK, Oz and NZ. Russia committed aggression against Japan in 1945 - at the request of the Allies, even though Russian help wasn't needed.
Japanese imperialist colonies have all been returned. We are talking here about the homeland, i.e. <1890. This includes the Kurils and the Ryukyus.

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