Russia to discard Soviet-era airliner...

Russia to discard Soviet-era airliners after crash

There are 24 comments on the San Jose Mercury News story from Jun 23, 2011, titled Russia to discard Soviet-era airliners after crash. In it, San Jose Mercury News reports that:

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev says he wants Soviet-built airliners similar to the one that crashed this week to be retired starting next year.

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call it karma

Mount Morris, MI

#1 Jun 23, 2011
Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev says he wants Soviet-built airliners similar to the one that crashed this week to be retired starting next year.

The 31-year-old RusAir Tu-134 from Moscow crashed in heavy fog late Monday just moments before landing at the Petrozavodsk airport in Russia's northwest, killing 45. Seven people survived.

Medvedev said Thursday that pilot error appears to be the cause of the crash, but added that he ordered his transport minister to prepare for the withdrawal of all Tu-134s. Officials have said in the past that the aging planes should be withdrawn, but have not set a timetable before.

The twin-engined Tu-134, along with its larger sibling the Tu-154, has been the workhorse of Soviet and Russian civil aviation since the 1960s with more than 800 planes built.
gre

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#3 Jun 24, 2011
Lukashenko is Dr Phil wrote:
I hope dumb polaks are smart enough to do the same. Them boys in Warsaw still flying with those Tupolevs.
interesting that Finnish airforce had Russian-buid helicopters up to the end of 1990-s (1997 indicatedin this link below)...also in 1950-s60-s there were Mig jet fighters in Finnish airforce (you may google yourself, but if you want I can provide links). Here about helicopters:

Helikopterit
Maavoimien käytössä oleva Mi-8-kuljetushelikopteri.

Suomen ilmavoimat operoivat 1990-luvun jälkipuolelle asti kaikkia sotilaallisia ilma-aluksia. Helikopteri oli pääosin rahdinkuljetusväline ja pelastusväline. Helikoptereita ei alun alkaen hankittu maahanlaskujoukkoja varten, vaikka laskuvarjojääkärit käyttivät niitä toiminnassaan. Helikoptereiden siirto maavoimille Utin Jääkärirykmentin alaisuuteen erilliseksi Helikopteripataljoonaksi on merkki niiden käytön luonteen muuttumisesta osaksi maavoimien taktiikkaa.

Mil Mi-1(SM-1)(tiedustelu/yhteys/p elastushelikopteri; 1961–1967; 4 kpl)
Mil Mi-4 (kuljetushelikopteri; 1962–1979; 3 kpl)
Sud-Aviation S.E.3130(313B) Alouette II (1966–1975; 2 kpl)
Agusta Bell 206A Jet Ranger (1968–1979; 1 kpl)
Mil Mi-8 (kuljetushelikopteri; 1973–1996, 9 kpl, 1997 siirto maavoimille)
Hughes McDonnell Douglas MD500 (koulutushelikopteri)
NH90 (kuljetushelikopteri)
gre

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#4 Jun 24, 2011
wow I googled for Finnish armed Forces and realised that you, guys, still use Russian build helicopters (and not the best models of those, by the way) in your army (although looks like your airforce used those only up to 1997), but Finnish army is happily using Russian aircrafts even today !!!

AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#5 Jun 24, 2011
gre wrote:
<quoted text>interesting that Finnish airforce had Russian-buid helicopters up to the end of 1990-s (1997 indicatedin this link below)...also in 1950-s60-s there were Mig jet fighters in Finnish airforce (you may google yourself, but if you want I can provide links). Here about helicopters:
Helikopterit
Maavoimien käytössä oleva Mi-8-kuljetushelikopteri.
Suomen ilmavoimat operoivat 1990-luvun jälkipuolelle asti kaikkia sotilaallisia ilma-aluksia. Helikopteri oli pääosin rahdinkuljetusväline ja pelastusväline. Helikoptereita ei alun alkaen hankittu maahanlaskujoukkoja varten, vaikka laskuvarjojääkärit käyttivät niitä toiminnassaan. Helikoptereiden siirto maavoimille Utin Jääkärirykmentin alaisuuteen erilliseksi Helikopteripataljoonaksi on merkki niiden käytön luonteen muuttumisesta osaksi maavoimien taktiikkaa.
Mil Mi-1(SM-1)(tiedustelu/yhteys/p elastushelikopteri; 1961–1967; 4 kpl)
Mil Mi-4 (kuljetushelikopteri; 1962–1979; 3 kpl)
Sud-Aviation S.E.3130(313B) Alouette II (1966–1975; 2 kpl)
Agusta Bell 206A Jet Ranger (1968–1979; 1 kpl)
Mil Mi-8 (kuljetushelikopteri; 1973–1996, 9 kpl, 1997 siirto maavoimille)
Hughes McDonnell Douglas MD500 (koulutushelikopteri)
NH90 (kuljetushelikopteri)
I know Finns always had the best toilet cleaners.

Just click on the Proud Finnish toilet cleaners advertisement

Proud Finnish toilet cleaner
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&...
ronan

Banstead, UK

#6 Jun 24, 2011
gre wrote:
wow I googled for Finnish armed Forces and realised that you, guys, still use Russian build helicopters (and not the best models of those, by the way) in your army (although looks like your airforce used those only up to 1997), but Finnish army is happily using Russian aircrafts even today !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3tF4QSUEQ0AXX
But just tell me what that neo-Nazi Finnish teenager knows about anything anyway...
gre

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#7 Jun 24, 2011
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>
But just tell me what that neo-Nazi Finnish teenager knows about anything anyway...
well, he now may watch video of Russian build chopper with Finnish army insignia and emblems and be proud for his armed foeces....I, by the way, didn't know myself that they use Russian technology in the army...Actually Russian choppers are used by German police, Spanish and Portugese firefighters, Canadian forestry companies, Switzerland even in electric lines construction in highlands etc...

&fe ature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

etc.etc.
Tom in Lazybrook

Kirbyville, TX

#8 Jul 6, 2011
LOL.

Sukhoi cannot sell any of its planes, so Meddy decides to order its' airliners to buy Sukhoi's.
ronan

UK

#9 Jul 6, 2011
gre wrote:
<quoted text>well, he now may watch video of Russian build chopper with Finnish army insignia and emblems and be proud for his armed foeces....I, by the way, didn't know myself that they use Russian technology in the army...Actually Russian choppers are used by German police, Spanish and Portugese firefighters, Canadian forestry companies, Switzerland even in electric lines construction in highlands etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5rDx4Iu4XlcXX&feature=rel ated
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
etc.etc.
The US ordered some Russian helicopters for the war in Afghanistan!
Tom in Lazybrook

Kirbyville, TX

#10 Jul 6, 2011
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>
The US ordered some Russian helicopters for the war in Afghanistan!
And yet, no existing airline without ties to Russia has ordered ANY Russian commercial planes.
ronan

UK

#11 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet, no existing airline without ties to Russia has ordered ANY Russian commercial planes.
So? Some protectionism going on? Nothing new.

But how do you explain the US military ordering Russian helicopters?
ronan

UK

#12 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet, no existing airline without ties to Russia has ordered ANY Russian commercial planes.
And also how do you explain the US military considering buying Airbus refuelling aircraft as the "best choice".
I understand that your Congress is trying to block the purchase.
A flagrant case of protectionism at work here, to protect Boeing's interests.
Tom in Lazybrook

Kirbyville, TX

#13 Jul 6, 2011
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>
And also how do you explain the US military considering buying Airbus refuelling aircraft as the "best choice".
I understand that your Congress is trying to block the purchase.
A flagrant case of protectionism at work here, to protect Boeing's interests.
My comment was not about protectionism, which was the case with Airbus/EADS losing the tanker contract (touche).

My comment was about the inability of Russia to compete in the business world. My point is that NO ONE is purchasing Sukhois.
ronan

UK

#14 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
My comment was not about protectionism, which was the case with Airbus/EADS losing the tanker contract (touche).
My comment was about the inability of Russia to compete in the business world. My point is that NO ONE is purchasing Sukhois.
It's early days, yet, and Russia has just entered the commercial aircraft market. But they are doing it sensibly, by tackling first the short range bracket.
Don't be so dismissive and impudent.40 years ago, Americans used to laugh at Japanese cars; they don't laugh anymore - they killed your Detroit industry!
Tom in Lazybrook

Camby, IN

#15 Jul 6, 2011
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>
It's early days, yet, and Russia has just entered the commercial aircraft market. But they are doing it sensibly, by tackling first the short range bracket.
Don't be so dismissive and impudent.40 years ago, Americans used to laugh at Japanese cars; they don't laugh anymore - they killed your Detroit industry!
American automakers are doing just fine, thank you very much. GM even retook world leadership back from the Japaneese this year (prior to the Earthquake). They've paid back all their government loans. And the product produced is good.

Currently, Russia has priced its' jets at HALF the price of its' competitors (the most direct ones, by Canada's Bombardier and Brazil's Embraer). And they still haven't made ANY sales to any existing airline outside of CIS control.

Russia has miserable repuatation for quality. A culture where ignoring rules and where rampant corruption thrives will do that for you. I expect eventually someone will purchase a few planes and then we shall see.

Exactly what manufactured product does Russia produce in mass quantities that can compete with American or European (or even Chinese) quality and price?

By the way, the USA is still the worlds largest manufacturer. By far.
Tom in Lazybrook

Camby, IN

#16 Jul 6, 2011
And if Russia actually delivers some planes, they better be good. Because with Russia's well deserved reputation for shoddy workmanship, if there is an accident, people will refuse to fly on Russian planes.
ronan

UK

#17 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
American automakers are doing just fine, thank you very much.
Really? How disillusioned can you be?

Ford had to sell its Premier Marques like Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover and Volvo to survive.

GM had to sell SAAB, stop Oldsmobile and Hummer, I believe also Buick and almost lost GM Europe to the Russians! I has been massively bailed out by the US government in another unashamed bit of protectionism.

Chrysler has been almost swallowed entirely by FIAT, and the next generation will probably be designed in Italy! Chrysler will just be a badge on Lancias, Alfa or FIAT cars in future.

Doing fine indeed!
ronan

UK

#18 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
And if Russia actually delivers some planes, they better be good. Because with Russia's well deserved reputation for shoddy workmanship, if there is an accident, people will refuse to fly on Russian planes.
I have flown on Russian airliners in the past and nothing happened.

But you are doing a bad process to Russia there. The largest number of air crashes occured on US aircraft! I think Boeing has the record!

Just another example of your narrow-minded and prejudiced mentality.
LOL

New York, NY

#19 Jul 6, 2011
Will he get rid of the old LADAs too?
Tom in Lazybrook

Camby, IN

#20 Jul 6, 2011
ronan wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? How disillusioned can you be?
Ford had to sell its Premier Marques like Jaguar, Aston Martin, Land Rover and Volvo to survive.
GM had to sell SAAB, stop Oldsmobile and Hummer, I believe also Buick and almost lost GM Europe to the Russians! I has been massively bailed out by the US government in another unashamed bit of protectionism.
Chrysler has been almost swallowed entirely by FIAT, and the next generation will probably be designed in Italy! Chrysler will just be a badge on Lancias, Alfa or FIAT cars in future.
Doing fine indeed!
Ford, which didn't need a bailout, got rid of money losers like Jaguar, AM, Rover (what a piece of garbage) and raised a bit of capital from Volvo's sale.

GM got rid of its' unprofitable Hummer, sold the smallish SAAB to some Russian fools that will lose their shirts, closed its redundant Olds division. Buick still survives (actually its doing quite well - for some reason its considered a luxury car in China). GM got a loan, which has been repaid with interest.

Chrysler will continue to make and design its' trucks and Jeeps (which account for most of its' American sales anyway) in the USA.

What does Russia manufacture and export these days anyway besides nuclear bombs to Iran and Syria?
ronan

UK

#21 Jul 6, 2011
Tom in Lazybrook wrote:
<quoted text>
Ford, which didn't need a bailout, got rid of money losers like Jaguar, AM, Rover (what a piece of garbage) and raised a bit of capital from Volvo's sale.
GM got rid of its' unprofitable Hummer, sold the smallish SAAB to some Russian fools that will lose their shirts, closed its redundant Olds division. Buick still survives (actually its doing quite well - for some reason its considered a luxury car in China). GM got a loan, which has been repaid with interest.
Chrysler will continue to make and design its' trucks and Jeeps (which account for most of its' American sales anyway) in the USA.
What does Russia manufacture and export these days anyway besides nuclear bombs to Iran and Syria?
Jaguar and Land Rover don't lose money under their new Indian owners. In 2010, they recorded record sale and record profit.
One wonders why...

SAAB was sold to the Dutch actually and has now Chinese participation (like Volvo).

JEEPs may be made in Europe in the future, and the profit going back to Turin (FIAT). Already Grand Cheerokee are made in Europe, and the FIAT content will be increasing at the exoense of the US input.

No, it wasn't Buick that closed down (many are made in China), but Pontiac. GM closed most of its premium brand and is left with Chevrolet only it seems (many made in Korea). So, where does that leave GM in future?

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