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Putin’s Iron Grip on Russia Suffocates His Opponents

There are 26 comments on the Free Republic story from Feb 25, 2008, titled Putin’s Iron Grip on Russia Suffocates His Opponents. In it, Free Republic reports that:

“The freedom-loving people attempted to act differently - joining the elite, moving to the East, to the North, but hardly anything has changed in mentality of majority because of it”

Shortly before parliamentary elections in December, foremen fanned out across the sprawling GAZ vehicle factory here, pulling aside assembly-line workers and giving them an order: vote for President Vladimir V. ... via Free Republic

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“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#1 Feb 25, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world/europ...

Click that link and you will see how Putnin worked his "democratic elections". This is one of the reasons he put restrictions on the OSCE. Lukashenko used these same tactics as Putnin durring his elections.

What's even better is that the Russians posting on this board have known about these tactics for some months now.:(
Small Town America

Pleasantville, NJ

#2 Feb 25, 2008
Wow!!!!! Putin and his cronies are being exposed to the world, but the little kremlin goblin posters say that it is not true....The forums, "Three Blind Mice" love living in a dictatorship..Ha!! Coolncrazy, russy, and sasha.. what gullible and naive children those young "Students" are..
tarmo

Estonia

#3 Feb 25, 2008
Good article. Reminds me of the past of Estonian SSR.
I am so glad Estonia is not part of this BS (bardak, derzhava, pokazuhha, whatever) any more. I feel sorry that people in Russian Federation still have to endure it.
Small Town America

Pleasantville, NJ

#4 Feb 25, 2008
tarmo wrote:
Good article. Reminds me of the past of Estonian SSR.
I am so glad Estonia is not part of this BS (bardak, derzhava, pokazuhha, whatever) any more. I feel sorry that people in Russian Federation still have to endure it.
As stated by one of the russian posters, they do not know of any other life than living under a dictatorship..
Small Town America

Pleasantville, NJ

#5 Feb 25, 2008
Have you noticed that no russian posters have responded to the subject..

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#6 Feb 25, 2008
I entirely approve of the methods.

That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!

Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?

I approve of the methods of checking on 'who vote for who'. That's very good.

I think that anyone not voting for Medvedev should lose his job, his pension and be beatten up.

That's the kind of democracy I understand. Most opponent candidates should be shot anyway.

Look at the USA, they go through all the primaries, the caucuses, the conventions and finally will elect Obama, whom everyone detests already!!

The Russia system is definitely superior for selection of candidates. President should choose their successor to make sure their policy is followed, unlike that Bush coward who start wars and then pi$$es off!!

Now, are all the usual Russian bashers satisfied of my answer? I have more if you want!!

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#7 Feb 25, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I entirely approve of the methods.
That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!
Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?
I approve of the methods of checking on 'who vote for who'. That's very good.
I think that anyone not voting for Medvedev should lose his job, his pension and be beatten up.
That's the kind of democracy I understand. Most opponent candidates should be shot anyway.
Look at the USA, they go through all the primaries, the caucuses, the conventions and finally will elect Obama, whom everyone detests already!!
The Russia system is definitely superior for selection of candidates. President should choose their successor to make sure their policy is followed, unlike that Bush coward who start wars and then pi$$es off!!
Now, are all the usual Russian bashers satisfied of my answer? I have more if you want!!


LOL :D

Ok, that post was a decent one. But you have to admit Robo, on the average day, we pretty much have our way with the Russians on this board for the fact we post alot more links in our post backed up by facts and references. I would hate to see the day I ever had to debate huub and tarmo. Their like English Pitbulls with encyclopedia's when they are debating a subject on here.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#8 Feb 25, 2008
Why_Me wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL :D
Ok, that post was a decent one. But you have to admit Robo, on the average day, we pretty much have our way with the Russians on this board for the fact we post alot more links in our post backed up by facts and references. I would hate to see the day I ever had to debate huub and tarmo. Their like English Pitbulls with encyclopedia's when they are debating a subject on here.
Most of you would be unable to articulate an argument without the help of the internet, google and Wikipedia.

There is very little knowledge learnt from reading or studying I found.

This constant reference to internet links is irritating me. I am from a different era where you had to read to get knowledge.

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#9 Feb 25, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of you would be unable to articulate an argument without the help of the internet, google and Wikipedia.
There is very little knowledge learnt from reading or studying I found.
This constant reference to internet links is irritating me. I am from a different era where you had to read to get knowledge.


There's alot of good reading on wikipedia....and it always has links to it's references on the bottom of the page just so people can look them up ..double check it and all. It's the day and age of the internet now. Just think about it...here on this site we have people from all over the world and all walks of life debating on here. All with thanks to the internet.
Think Before You Jump

Pleasantville, NJ

#10 Feb 25, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of you would be unable to articulate an argument without the help of the internet, google and Wikipedia.
There is very little knowledge learnt from reading or studying I found.
This constant reference to internet links is irritating me. I am from a different era where you had to read to get knowledge.
Yeh!! You sure are from another era..the soviet era..reading all that old soviet propaganda ..You are just a fabricating old fool who was a failure in life and could not survive without your computer, internet, and topix..which is your only life now, and which your obession of posting hundreds per day reveals your lunacy..and, how many internet links do you selectively post..what a hypocrit and liar..
Think Before You Jump

Pleasantville, NJ

#11 Feb 25, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I entirely approve of the methods.
That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!
Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?
I approve of the methods of checking on 'who vote for who'. That's very good.
I think that anyone not voting for Medvedev should lose his job, his pension and be beatten up.

that's the kind of democracy I understand. Most opponent candidates should be shot anyway.
Look at the USA, they go through all the primaries, the caucuses, the conventions and finally will elect Obama, whom everyone detests already!!
The Russia system is definitely superior for selection of candidates. President should choose their successor to make sure their policy is followed, unlike that Bush coward who start wars and then pi$$es off!!
Now, are all the usual Russian bashers satisfied of my answer? I have more if you want!!
Well!! I personally would want you to give us more of your thoughts!! Did you shoot your three ex-wives??? Jeez!! You are really over the hill and floundering in the deep end of the pool..I bet that Americans and some Poles beat the crap out of you sometime ago..Anyhow, putin and russia will sink even lower than it is now..A dictatorship in ashes just like the soviet union..to be despised and used as an example of evil in the world..When most people think of the many democracies in the world, they would want to visit them..when most people think of russia, they think of evilness, and cringe...Ha!
tarmo

Estonia

#12 Feb 26, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I entirely approve of the methods.
That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!
Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?
I approve of the methods of checking on 'who vote for who'. That's very good.
I think that anyone not voting for Medvedev should lose his job, his pension and be beatten up.
That's the kind of democracy I understand. Most opponent candidates should be shot anyway.
Look at the USA, they go through all the primaries, the caucuses, the conventions and finally will elect Obama, whom everyone detests already!!
The Russia system is definitely superior for selection of candidates. President should choose their successor to make sure their policy is followed, unlike that Bush coward who start wars and then pi$$es off!!
Now, are all the usual Russian bashers satisfied of my answer? I have more if you want!!
This post of Rob's is bordering on ridiculous, but I am not sure on which side. It makes me laugh ;-)

In any case, this is classic, Robespierre! Thumbs up! Keep up the good work! You are expected nothing less, for a person belonging to the last percentile of French population regarding opinions about Putin's Russia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/25...

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#13 Feb 26, 2008
tarmo wrote:
<quoted text>
This post of Rob's is bordering on ridiculous, but I am not sure on which side. It makes me laugh ;-)
In any case, this is classic, Robespierre! Thumbs up! Keep up the good work! You are expected nothing less, for a person belonging to the last percentile of French population regarding opinions about Putin's Russia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/25...
If I read that survey correctly, it says that 26% of French people think that Putin is rather positive, and I add my voice to them.
You have to admit that more than 1/4 is not a LONE voice!!

What's so ridiculous about my post? That I respect Russia's idea of democracy? Absolutely!!
Russia doesn't need a 'dog and pony show' like Western countries; it needs a strong hand that leads it forward.
That's why Putin is so popular among Russians: he does things for the country and restored pride.
Just too bad the West has a different agenda: they prefered the weak Yeltsin democracy when Russian assets and natural resources were ripe for plunder for multinationals.
With Putin, no more mister Nice Guy; you pay for what you get!
Small Town America

Pleasantville, NJ

#14 Feb 26, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I entirely approve of the methods.
That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!
Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?
I approve of the methods of checking on 'who vote for who'. That's very good.
I think that anyone not voting for Medvedev should lose his job, his pension and be beatten up.
That's the kind of democracy I understand. Most opponent candidates should be shot anyway.
Look at the USA, they go through all the
primaries, the caucuses, the conventions and finally will elect Obama, whom everyone detests already!!
The Russia system is definitely superior for selection of candidates. President should choose their successor to make sure their policy is followed, unlike that Bush coward who start wars and then pi$$es off!!
Now, are all the usual Russian bashers satisfied of my answer? I have more if you want!!
I bet that robocraps russian buddies who post on these forums also agree with him..After all, they agree with all his posts..That mindset displays the true radicalized russian mindset..no regard for human life..Shoot the opposition..kill anyone who has a free mind.. Jeez!! The russian posters are silent on his posting..Their silence means that they agree with him, eh!!!
tarmo

Estonia

#15 Feb 26, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
If I read that survey correctly, it says that 26% of French people think that Putin is rather positive, and I add my voice to them.
Now you are too modest.
Look at page 8 (influence of Putin on democcracy and human rights in Russia).

France:
1% very positive
12% somewhat positive
36% somewhat negative
26% very negative

Somewhat positive is not what you have been touting here all along. If you represent the opinion of "somewhat positive", what would be the opinion of "very positive"???

So, if you represent "very positive", then that is exactly 1% of the French population - i.e. outliers.

There are 26 TIMES more of those french who are "very negative", that those who are "very positive". So you Rob are in a minority 1:26.

To put all this in perspective in absolute terms. Your opinions represent less people in France than the opinions of me or huub represent people in Estonia! So you are outvoted by Estonians in the EU!

“Privet”

Since: Apr 07

Big Lake, Alaska USA

#16 Feb 26, 2008
tarmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are too modest.
Look at page 8 (influence of Putin on democcracy and human rights in Russia).
France:
1% very positive
12% somewhat positive
36% somewhat negative
26% very negative
Somewhat positive is not what you have been touting here all along. If you represent the opinion of "somewhat positive", what would be the opinion of "very positive"???
So, if you represent "very positive", then that is exactly 1% of the French population - i.e. outliers.
There are 26 TIMES more of those french who are "very negative", that those who are "very positive". So you Rob are in a minority 1:26.
To put all this in perspective in absolute terms. Your opinions represent less people in France than the opinions of me or huub represent people in Estonia! So you are outvoted by Estonians in the EU!


BRAVO !=)
Observer

Aalst, Belgium

#17 Feb 26, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
I entirely approve of the methods.
That's exactly the kind of democracy I like!!
Putin and Medvedev are terrific. Why should anyone vote for someone else?
......
In fact why let anybody vote at all eh?

Comrade Robbetzky. You are truly an obnoxious, revolting, and exceptionally disgusting individual!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#18 Feb 26, 2008
tarmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are too modest.
Look at page 8 (influence of Putin on democcracy and human rights in Russia).
France:
1% very positive
12% somewhat positive
36% somewhat negative
26% very negative
Somewhat positive is not what you have been touting here all along. If you represent the opinion of "somewhat positive", what would be the opinion of "very positive"???
So, if you represent "very positive", then that is exactly 1% of the French population - i.e. outliers.
There are 26 TIMES more of those french who are "very negative", that those who are "very positive". So you Rob are in a minority 1:26.
To put all this in perspective in absolute terms. Your opinions represent less people in France than the opinions of me or huub represent people in Estonia! So you are outvoted by Estonians in the EU!
Wait a minute buster!! You are twisting everything here!!

The influence of Russia in the world has been found positive by 23% of French, against 50& negative. That doesn't tell you something?

The influence of Putin's leadership on
- Quality of life 20% positive against 55% negative
- Democracy and Human rights 13% postive and 62% negative (but who cares about those anyway!!)

- Relations 38 % positive against 34 negative (if I read that right)

- Energy supply 32% positive against 34 % negative

- Peace 30% positive against 41 % negative.

In fact, Vladimir comes out of that with flying colours in my book!! Now, can we do a comparison with that scoundrel Bush for a laugh!!!

I always take these surveys with a pinch of salt, knowing personally a market researcher and seeing at close quarterers how he works, I am always surprised that people give any credibility to such system! But here you go.

Anyway, even if by your account I represent 1% of the French population, that still sizeable!

Just ask Hillary right now if she wouldn't like to receive just a 1% boost in her ratings!!
Just Wondering Why

Pleasantville, NJ

#19 Feb 26, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a minute buster!! You are twisting everything here!!
The influence of Russia in the world has been found positive by 23% of French, against 50& negative. That doesn't tell you something?
The influence of Putin's leadership on
- Quality of life 20% positive against 55% negative
- Democracy and Human rights 13% postive and 62% negative (but who cares about those anyway!!)
- Relations 38 % positive against 34 negative (if I read that right)
- Energy supply 32% positive against 34 % negative
- Peace 30% positive against 41 % negative.
In fact, Vladimir comes out of that with flying colours in my book!! Now, can we do a comparison with that scoundrel Bush for a laugh!!!
I always take these surveys with a pinch of salt, knowing personally a market researcher and seeing at close quarterers how he works, I am always surprised that people give any credibility to such system! But here you go.
Anyway, even if by your account I represent 1% of the French population, that still sizeable!
Just ask Hillary right now if she wouldn't like to receive just a 1% boost in her ratings!!
Ha! You certaintly are not good at math, are you.. And fool, as my ancestors were members of the Royal French Court of King Louis X1 as his Finance Minister, I hereby void any legal attachment that you may have with France, and hereby banish you to russia where we send sub-human fools like you..
tarmo

Estonia

#20 Feb 27, 2008
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a minute buster!! You are twisting everything here!!
The influence of Russia in the world has been found positive by 23% of French, against 50& negative. That doesn't tell you something?
I was specifically discussing Putin's influence on democracy in Russia, on page 8.

You looked at Putin's influence on Russia's influence in the world, on page 6. Look at page 8 and it will become clear to you (hopefully).
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
The influence of Putin's leadership on
- Democracy and Human rights 13% postive and 62% negative (but who cares about those anyway!!)
To use any of those figures as a basis for your opinions, you have to prove that you only represent moderate "somewhat positive" views. TO do that, you have to show that there in fact exist "very positive" views that are much more positive than your opinions. So you have to surpass yourself, Rob.

If you are not able to prove that you represent "somewhat positive views", then you definitely belong to the "very positive" fraction, which in this issue is exactly the last percentile, i.e. outliers.

And if you belong to the "very positive" camp, then taking an average over all the issues is misleading, because even the minimum percentage of the "very positive" camp (that same 1%) only represents the upper bound of those who are constantly "very positive". The lower bound for constantly "very positive" camp is 0.05*0.01*0.06*0.08*0.06 = 0.000000144, or about 8 persons out of 55 million french (6 persons, if we don not count young who can not vote). So Rob, your views are likely to have even less support in France that it first seemed. And who are those 5 other persons anyway?

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