Russia puts end to gas wars

Russia puts end to gas wars

There are 128 comments on the rt.com story from Sep 16, 2011, titled Russia puts end to gas wars. In it, rt.com reports that:

Russia has brought to an end the long-running debate over securing gas supplies to the EU, bringing all its European partners together to sign the landmark agreement giving the green light to construction of the South Stream gas pipeline.

The first day of the annual International Investment Forum in Sochi has been dominated by European energy giants signing up for the ambitious project.­

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“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

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#1 Sep 16, 2011
There we go. Ukras & Polaks can screw themselves.
Warrior Poet UG X

Winston, OR

#2 Sep 16, 2011
Actually the alternate gas routes are not a bad idea. This way when Russia (aka Putitinski) decides to shut off the gas to make EU do what he wants, he will not be able to blame it on Ukraine.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

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#3 Sep 16, 2011

He also can sleep much better, knowing you peasants won´t siphon gas anymore.

Since: Apr 11

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#5 Sep 16, 2011
Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
Actually the alternate gas routes are not a bad idea. This way when Russia (aka Putitinski) decides to shut off the gas to make EU do what he wants, he will not be able to blame it on Ukraine.
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Slovak peasants do not become teachers of English.

Idiot Plonker Pesky.

Slovak peasant wind-bag.

Barking his stupid nonsense again.
Warrior Poet UG X

Winston, OR

#6 Sep 16, 2011
Another blank post. You would think that someone is trying to post from a black hole.

“UG X”

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#7 Sep 16, 2011
Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
Actually the alternate gas routes are not a bad idea. This way when Russia (aka Putitinski) decides to shut off the gas to make EU do what he wants, he will not be able to blame it on Ukraine.
Notice, no mentioning where the gas is going to be coming from! Or as EU said "the russian style" presentation.
Ranter

Tucson, AZ

#8 Sep 16, 2011
Warrior Poet UG X wrote:
Actually the alternate gas routes are not a bad idea. This way when Russia (aka Putitinski) decides to shut off the gas to make EU do what he wants, he will not be able to blame it on Ukraine.
lol The fact that Russia is willing to spend billion to bypass Ukraine is more proof than anyone needs that Ukraine was at fault. Come on, it is common sense that Ukrainians were taking more than their share and using their intermediary position as a blackmail chip.
Ranter

Tucson, AZ

#9 Sep 16, 2011
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>Notice, no mentioning where the gas is going to be coming from! Or as EU said "the russian style" presentation.
As you yourself have said, Russia transports more gas through Ukraine than the North Stream can accommodate and that even with additional capacity the growing demand in Europe will leave Ukraine as relevant transit partner. From my understanding all of these projects are designed with the intent to make East European countries LESS relevant, so if Russia has to build a new pipeline on its own soil to transfer the gas from Ukraine's pipelines into the North and South stream it will probably spend billions to do so. Short answer, they will use the sources currently pumping gas to/through Ukraine.

“UG X”

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#10 Sep 16, 2011
Ranter wrote:
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lol The fact that Russia is willing to spend billion to bypass Ukraine is more proof than anyone needs that Ukraine was at fault. Come on, it is common sense that Ukrainians were taking more than their share and using their intermediary position as a blackmail chip.
russia will never bypass Ukraine. Ukraine will remain No 1 transit country. The capacity of Nord Steam is minute, and South Stream doesn't even have a supplier!
Everyone in Europe understands that ruSSia is blackmailing Ukraine and using gas a political tool to force Ukraine sell its GTS to ruSSia and join Custom Union just like Belorus did.
Ranter

Tucson, AZ

#11 Sep 16, 2011
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>russia will never bypass Ukraine. Ukraine will remain No 1 transit country. The capacity of Nord Steam is minute, and South Stream doesn't even have a supplier!
Everyone in Europe understands that ruSSia is blackmailing Ukraine and using gas a political tool to force Ukraine sell its GTS to ruSSia and join Custom Union just like Belorus did.
You need to ask yourself a basic question Ana. How much money is Russia willing to lose to gain de facto control over Ukraine? I would say A LOT, but more than they can afford. With each new pipe line the price drops.

“UG X”

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#12 Sep 16, 2011
Ranter wrote:
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You need to ask yourself a basic question Ana. How much money is Russia willing to lose to gain de facto control over Ukraine? I would say A LOT, but more than they can afford. With each new pipe line the price drops.
How many pipes do you think ruSSia can afford and what is it going to fill it with? That's the real question! The price of Nord and (assuming) South wont even make a dent in the price for Ukraine.
Russian gas supply for Europe will be depleted by 2020. Ukrainian geopolitical location is forever and this is exactly what ruSSia desires the most. Ukrainian land without Ukrainians in it!
ARCHIE BONKERS

United States

#13 Sep 16, 2011
DINGBAT BONKERS LADY
EDITH, IS THAT YOU?

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#14 Sep 16, 2011
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>Notice, no mentioning where the gas is going to be coming from! Or as EU said "the russian style" presentation.
Russia transport 110 bcm of gas annually through Ukraine, so 55 bcm will flow through Nord Stream, 63 will flow through South Stream and that together is more than now flowing through Ukraine. EU gas consumption will raise very slow, so almost nothing will flow through Ukraine. Closer to the end of the decade Ukraine will have no other choice but to scrap their useless gas transport system.
Russkiy

Germany

#15 Sep 17, 2011
Ukraine is in a panic. Its president has recently proposed to build part of the South Stream across Crimea.''Russia has absolutely no interest in Ukraine's proposal'' Gazprom said
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110916/166903017...
Ranter

Tucson, AZ

#16 Sep 17, 2011
ana 8 wrote:
<quoted text>Russian gas supply for Europe will be depleted by 2020. Ukrainian geopolitical location is forever and this is exactly what ruSSia desires the most. Ukrainian land without Ukrainians in it!
I remember that stupid prediction lol. In order for it to be remotely true Russia needs to double its natural gas production TODAY and quadruple it later in the decade.

47,570,000,000,000 m^3 in proven reserves (there is probably more and even if there isn't Iran will probably end up using Russian pipes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

Less than 600,000,000,000 m^3 produced each year
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-...

Do the math.
Ranter

Tucson, AZ

#17 Sep 17, 2011
Ana, Russia wants to divert as much as it can from the pipeline in Ukraine and reroute it into the North and South stream. They will fill those pipes with whatever the Ukrainian pipe is currently filled with.
Or is it that (55+63)>110 that is the problem?
Russia will still probably use the Ukrainian pipe for deliveries to Eastern European nations in hopes that Ukraine will take more than its share and ruin its relations with them.
Stefan

Peterborough, Canada

#18 Sep 17, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Russia transport 110 bcm of gas annually through Ukraine, so 55 bcm will flow through Nord Stream, 63 will flow through South Stream and that together is more than now flowing through Ukraine. EU gas consumption will raise very slow, so almost nothing will flow through Ukraine. Closer to the end of the decade Ukraine will have no other choice but to scrap their useless gas transport system.
Wrong math dear,
Germany is turning off its nuclear plants in favour of gas. This gas consumption will grow quickly. Just a few years ago it was determined that Nord Stream would feed only this growing need for gas.
55 bcm is nothing to laugh at but looking forward, it will only feed a growing Green Europe.
Stefan

Peterborough, Canada

#19 Sep 17, 2011
Russkiy wrote:
Ukraine is in a panic. Its president has recently proposed to build part of the South Stream across Crimea.''Russia has absolutely no interest in Ukraine's proposal'' Gazprom said
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20110916/166903017...
Thats good because Ukrainians have absolutely no interest in being a slave to Russian interestes either. 500 years of intimidation, threats, military intervention is over.

Putin now cries out loud that Ukraine can never be part of Europe. Like anybody asked him. HaHa. What a joke he is becoming. A scared little man beside another scared smaller man.

I have no love of Yanukovich but he has balls.
Stefan

Peterborough, Canada

#20 Sep 17, 2011
Ukraine does need Russian gas in the future. A reduced internal consumption is the best medicine to lowering costs. Not transit fees.
Steel producers are going back to coal. Electricity palnts are being built (or will be). Local gas will be found and consumed and exported.
See Ya Putinski. Go shiver in the cold northern forest.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

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#21 Sep 17, 2011
stefanko,

where have you been ?
Is your Ukra family still siphon gas in Ukrainka illegally ?

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