Sukhoi T-50 First Flight

Sukhoi T-50 First Flight

There are 35 comments on the AVweb story from Feb 3, 2010, titled Sukhoi T-50 First Flight. In it, AVweb reports that:

Russia on December 29 flew a prototype of its Sukhoi T-50 fighter, said to be the first fighter jet designed and built in post-Soviet Russia, albeit with help from India.

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Jacko

Lake Forest, IL

#1 Feb 3, 2010
The article comes with a video. This is a bad-tail machine. It barely goes 2 seconds on the runway and it is in the air. It compares to the US jet strike force aircraft. I wouldn't mind taking one for spin.
Observer

Kontich, Belgium

#2 Feb 3, 2010
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article...

The Stealth That Couldn’t
02 February 2010
By Alexander Golts
On Friday, we were told that the state-run Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer successfully ran a test flight of a fifth-generation fighter jet in the far eastern city of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The fighter jet did, in fact, make it up into the air, but it flew in such a dense cloud of lies that nobody can be sure exactly what they saw.
Does the T-50 PAK FA fighter— which journalists have incorrectly called the Russian Stealth — possess fifth-generation aircraft capabilities such as a constant flying speed of more than 2,000 kilometers per hour, a flight range of more than 5,000 kilometers, a low radar profile, radiolocation of distant enemy objects and long-range guided missiles? None of that is clear. Some sources claim that the onboard radio-detection system is still going through bench tests, and nothing whatsoever is known about its weapons systems.
Nor is there any information regarding the engine that is purported to propel the T-50 at greater speeds than its primary rival, the U.S. F-22 Raptor. Several firms engaged in backroom intrigues for years, repeatedly failing to put forward a reliable tender for the engine’s construction. In the end, NPO Saturn won the contract. And the first thing that the firm’s directors did was start telling bald-faced lies about the engine’s capabilities.
Both Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov have acknowledged that problems with the aircraft’s engine will take a long time to resolve. But on the day of the T-50’s maiden flight, the managing director of NPO Saturn’s Unified Engine-Building Corporation, Ilya Fyodorov, made a sensational announcement. He said the jet is outfitted with “the very newest engine and not an improved version of the Su-35 engine as reported by some media and several specialists. It fulfills all the requirements presented to us by the Sukhoi company.”
For the last 10 years,“fifth-generation jet” were magic words that gave military officials access to generous state coffers. It all began in the early 1990s when aircraft company directors realized that their industry had entered a major crisis. There were two possible solutions. One, they could either acknowledge that the old Soviet aircraft industry had died once and for all and that the only course open to them was to completely restructure manufacturing, learn marketing and make the sector competitive in a market economy. Or two, they could tell the military’s top brass of a miracle project that, if properly funded, would revive the entire aircraft industry.
Observer

Kontich, Belgium

#3 Feb 3, 2010
All of the industry’s capital was put into the second option. Captains of military industry cheerfully promised the government that they would quickly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet that would not only give the country’s Air Force superiority in the skies but also guarantee export orders for future decades.
Things didn’t end there. The creation of the Unified Aircraft Corporation in 2005 was justified in part by the promise to build fifth-generation fighter jets. From the very beginning, there were fears that government officials were merely using the project as a smoke screen for grabbing the few profits that those companies were earning from foreign orders. It is worth recalling that Ilya Khlebanov, who served as industry, science and technology minister in the early 2000s, confirmed that the jet development project had a budget of $1.5 billion. In the 10 years since then, about $10 billion has been spent on the program.
Now the stakes are even higher. After test flights of the Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile have failed repeatedly, it has become a matter of principle and pride to show that Russia can put a fifth-generation fighter jet in the air.
With the embarrassing Bulava failures and the endless delays in demonstrating the new jet, the whole effort has come off looking rather comical. Scathing rumors have been circulating for years that Russia is fundamentally incapable of developing high technology products of any sort. Now, in order to silence the critics, the T-50 has made its maiden flight.
Although Bulava failures were hard to conceal, the authorities are hoping that they can do a better job with the T-50 by shrouding the project in a cloud of misinformation.
Alexander Golts is deputy editor of the online newspaper Yezhednevny Zhurnal.
American Dood

Endicott, NY

#4 Feb 3, 2010
1. Even if this aircraft is on par with the F-22 Russia will never make enough of them to make much of a difference. Russia is just way too poor.

2. There is now way this T-50 is even close to the F-22, Russia's stealth and electronic technology is way outdated.
Jokee

Mumbai, India

#5 Feb 3, 2010
America dood sorry for you only time can tell,did you know dat all Russian technolgies were Russian without external brains while USA is borrow brain,with all their weapon they can't fight war alone they will look for Alliy or pathners nonsense.USA power is only in media not real.Russia tank, helicopter s,missile defense,space rocket is all better than USA believe it or not.again America defense buget is just a paper becos what they did 1b Russia will do it with 10m dos.so...USA supprioty is for intimadiation not for real war. Taliban technologies is better than.
David

Tucson, AZ

#6 Feb 4, 2010
Jokee wrote:
America dood sorry for you only time can tell,did you know dat all Russian technolgies were Russian without external brains while USA is borrow brain,with all their weapon they can't fight war alone they will look for Alliy or pathners nonsense.USA power is only in media not real.Russia tank, helicopter s,missile defense,space rocket is all better than USA believe it or not.again America defense buget is just a paper becos what they did 1b Russia will do it with 10m dos.so...USA supprioty is for intimadiation not for real war. Taliban technologies is better than.
Yes Russians can make things cheaper, but give me a break. Our tech has no rival. Ever since we stole the vector thrust technology from Russians there really is nothing there anymore. Russians saving grace is that they can make things that are cheap and require little maintenance but a 1vs1 comparison in terms in infantry, tank, jet fighter, jet bomber will always put US on top.
Aussie

Melbourne, Australia

#7 Feb 4, 2010
Apparently it's faster and has twice the range of the F-22 at 2000kph.Houston i think you have a problem.
Jacko

Lake Forest, IL

#8 Feb 4, 2010
Observer wrote:
All of the industry’s capital was put into the second option. Captains of military industry cheerfully promised the government that they would quickly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet that would not only give the country’s Air Force superiority in the skies but also guarantee export orders for future decades.
Things didn’t end there. The creation of the Unified Aircraft Corporation in 2005 was justified in part by the promise to build fifth-generation fighter jets. From the very beginning, there were fears that government officials were merely using the project as a smoke screen for grabbing the few profits that those companies were earning from foreign orders. It is worth recalling that Ilya Khlebanov, who served as industry, science and technology minister in the early 2000s, confirmed that the jet development project had a budget of $1.5 billion. In the 10 years since then, about $10 billion has been spent on the program.
Now the stakes are even higher. After test flights of the Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile have failed repeatedly, it has become a matter of principle and pride to show that Russia can put a fifth-generation fighter jet in the air.
With the embarrassing Bulava failures and the endless delays in demonstrating the new jet, the whole effort has come off looking rather comical. Scathing rumors have been circulating for years that Russia is fundamentally incapable of developing high technology products of any sort. Now, in order to silence the critics, the T-50 has made its maiden flight.
Although Bulava failures were hard to conceal, the authorities are hoping that they can do a better job with the T-50 by shrouding the project in a cloud of misinformation.
Alexander Golts is deputy editor of the online newspaper Yezhednevny Zhurnal.
For a couple minutes there were some articles on the US f-35 fifth generation jet by Lockheed -Martin. It is having great difficulties "getting off the ground". The US does have better electronics than the Russian fighter jets, and the Russians make great jets at a reasonable price, but the US no longer has the cash to advance its weaponry like it use to. I'm sure China would be raising its eyebrows about the cost of an f-35, while we owe them 3 trillion. Below is an article about the manager of the f-35 program being fired. I think he is just a fall guy for bigger problems.

http://www.theolympian.com/nationworld/story/...

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#9 Feb 4, 2010
David wrote:
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Yes Russians can make things cheaper, but give me a break. Our tech has no rival. Ever since we stole the vector thrust technology from Russians there really is nothing there anymore. Russians saving grace is that they can make things that are cheap and require little maintenance but a 1vs1 comparison in terms in infantry, tank, jet fighter, jet bomber will always put US on top.
Thrust vector technology was worked in the USA by NASA decades ago. Russian aircraft are notoriously unreliable and maintenance intensive, IMHO.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

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#10 Feb 4, 2010
Jokee wrote:
America dood sorry for you only time can tell,did you know dat all Russian technolgies were Russian without external brains while USA is borrow brain,with all their weapon they can't fight war alone they will look for Alliy or pathners nonsense.USA power is only in media not real.Russia tank, helicopter s,missile defense,space rocket is all better than USA believe it or not.again America defense buget is just a paper becos what they did 1b Russia will do it with 10m dos.so...USA supprioty is for intimadiation not for real war. Taliban technologies is better than.
6,000 children a day starve to death in India. Maybe you could use your brains and money to solve that problem in that cesspool of a country. Instead, you are spending like crazy to buy Russian military crap that won't work. And good luck with the Taliban. They don't like you.

Since: Aug 07

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#11 Feb 4, 2010
David wrote:
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jet bomber will always put US on top.
Yeah, we saw how efficient they were when just 2 of them took the twin towers down!!

What is the point of this supposed superiority if you get hammered by a small group of fanatics, or humilated by a nation of barefoot peasants like in Vietnam?

With all its insane military spending, America is more vulnerable than ever!!

Since: Aug 07

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#12 Feb 4, 2010
Kenhunt wrote:
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6,000 children a day starve to death in India. Maybe you could use your brains and money to solve that problem in that cesspool of a country. Instead, you are spending like crazy to buy Russian military crap that won't work. And good luck with the Taliban. They don't like you.
Well, maybe that if America wasn't sponsoring India's enemy Pakistan, they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves.
Or do you mean that they should buy American instead?
Jacko

Lake Forest, IL

#14 Feb 5, 2010
Robespierre wrote:
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Yeah, we saw how efficient they were when just 2 of them took the twin towers down!!
What is the point of this supposed superiority if you get hammered by a small group of fanatics, or humilated by a nation of barefoot peasants like in Vietnam?
With all its insane military spending, America is more vulnerable than ever!!
You are correct. Its like biulding machine guns to stop malaria. The tool doesn't fit the job. We need to close our borders and filter immagration through a very fine sieve. All the jets in the world won't stop a group of religious fanatics. I will say, however, other things would stop them, and send them home crying to their mommies.
Observer

Mechelen, Belgium

#15 Feb 5, 2010
Robespierre wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, we saw how efficient they were when just 2 of them took the twin towers down!!
What is the point of this supposed superiority if you get hammered by a small group of fanatics, or humilated by a nation of barefoot peasants like in Vietnam?
With all its insane military spending, America is more vulnerable than ever!!
So why then is Russia spending millions on "improving" it's armed forces? A bankrupt country like that should be concentrating on improving the lives of the many of its citizens that live in catastrophic conditions rather than trying to pretend that it is a great power.
Aussie

Melbourne, Australia

#16 Feb 5, 2010
Russia is flooding in Oil and Gas money,massive reserves.
Considering the F-22 Raptor won't be for sale outside the US the Sukhoi T-50 will dominate.
North Korea,India,China will all have it.Australia will get the F-35 that is a bit of a lemon.

“bless the USA”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#17 Feb 5, 2010
Aussie wrote:
Russia is flooding in Oil and Gas money,massive reserves.
Considering the F-22 Raptor won't be for sale outside the US the Sukhoi T-50 will dominate.
North Korea,India,China will all have it.Australia will get the F-35 that is a bit of a lemon.
The F-35 is a formidable plane with remarkable capabilities. I don't see the lemon. You know it is built by Lockheed, and Lockheed always a a few things up their sleeves. They recently said the F-35 was capable of performing missions with no pilot aboard, for instance. N Korea would be lucky to afford a used P-51. India might use it, but such a shame given their social circumstances. There is no end to this madness.
American Dood

Endicott, NY

#18 Feb 5, 2010
Jokee wrote:
America dood sorry for you only time can tell,did you know dat all Russian technolgies were Russian without external brains while USA is borrow brain,with all their weapon they can't fight war alone they will look for Alliy or pathners nonsense.USA power is only in media not real.Russia tank, helicopter s,missile defense,space rocket is all better than USA believe it or not.again America defense buget is just a paper becos what they did 1b Russia will do it with 10m dos.so...USA supprioty is for intimadiation not for real war. Taliban technologies is better than.
WTF is this gibberish? Can you please learn English?

Real English not Habibi English
American Dood

Endicott, NY

#19 Feb 5, 2010
Aussie wrote:
Russia is flooding in Oil and Gas money,massive reserves.
Considering the F-22 Raptor won't be for sale outside the US the Sukhoi T-50 will dominate.
North Korea,India,China will all have it.Australia will get the F-35 that is a bit of a lemon.
If America started saving her money we would have Russia's reserve in a month, Russia is a very poor country compared to the U.S.
American high-tech firms make many times the money Russia's natural resource exports do.

Unless Russia has 500 billion to develop a real 5th gen fighter (which it doesn't) And another 500 billion to build enough aircraft the T-50 is going to be a big failure.

Unless Russia increases her economy and money ten fold, she won't be able to compete with the U.S.
Live Free or Die

Stowe, VT

#20 Feb 5, 2010
Habibi English?

Yep, you sure are an American alright.

Faker.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#21 Feb 5, 2010
American Dood wrote:
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Unless Russia increases her economy and money ten fold, she won't be able to compete with the U.S.
I don't think that Russia has any ambition to 'compete' with the US.

What is there to compete with?
In spite of being the first country in the world, the largest economy, the biggest military power, and enjoying total hegemony as the current superpower, America is so insecure, to full of contradictions that it's not an attractive model anymore.

Countries will imitate from America what suit them, but never try to emulate that monster. What's the point?

Russia isn't 'in competition' with the US, but follows its own development.

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