The forgotten cities of eastern Russia

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First of two parts AMURSK, Russia - Behind a scrim of billionaires and petrodollars, Russian cities like this one are dying a slow, quiet death deep in the frigid, remote Far East.
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Daniel P from Long Island

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Feb 26, 2008
 
It's a terrible tragedy that so many Russian people live in poverty and hopelessness. I really believed that after the fall of communism, that Russia could become a great, free, prosperous nation and a good friend and partner of the United States.

The Russian people are like people everywhere. Just wanting a better life for themselves and their children.

It almost does seem that Russia is cursed.

Will a trans-bering strait tunnel to Alaska help and bring prosperity ? I don't know.

But I hope and pray that the Russian people achieve the prosperity, happiness and dignity that they have been denied for so long.

The United States should help them where we can
Katya

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
It's a terrible tragedy that so many Russian people live in poverty and hopelessness. I really believed that after the fall of communism, that Russia could become a great, free, prosperous nation and a good friend and partner of the United States.
The Russian people are like people everywhere. Just wanting a better life for themselves and their children.
It almost does seem that Russia is cursed.
Will a trans-bering strait tunnel to Alaska help and bring prosperity ? I don't know.
But I hope and pray that the Russian people achieve the prosperity, happiness and dignity that they have been denied for so long.
The United States should help them where we can
I don't beleive that USA want to help not only Russia but anybody else. It doesn't mean that I hate the USA. In this forum I heard SOME KIND OF HELP from some American guy like "we (USA) will come to Moscow and put their our western democratic government and will TEACH Russians the democracy. Sorry, I Don't need such democracy. I don't know how it was in other countries (for ex. Ukraine) but in Russia we call it invasion. Yes, we aren't used to take help even during wars.
Why West decided to help us NOW as if we are living NOW SO BAD even dying. AS if we lived in the 90-th much better. No, THAT TIME WHEN THE USSR SPLIT WAS THE APOCALYPSE. THAT TIME WE NEED MUCH-MUCH-MUCH MORE HELP.
Katya

Saint Petersburg, Russia

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Feb 26, 2008
 
BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE 90-TH WITHOUT ANY HELP. So, what do you want from us?
tolmappp

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Feb 26, 2008
 
USA is helping Russians making them the next rich class of oil ARABs yet they must learn to share among themselves Muscovites are well known among Siberian as believing they are far advanced than the normal Russian. Russia needs to reform their society,not by Yankees. Praise the residents of Chelyabinsk!

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
It almost does seem that Russia is cursed.
Cursed? You just don't know the history. Russia was relatively prosperous most of the time. A lot of people from Germany, Greece or Neitherlands moved here for example. Yes, the 20-th century was fucking disasterous, still we managed to keep ourselves better than the world's average.
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
But I hope and pray that the Russian people achieve the prosperity...
I appreciate that. Really.
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
The United States should help them where we can
I think Russia is now able to handle such problems. It's rather a challenge for our government to use it's power for good. How can US help here?
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
Will a trans-bering strait tunnel to Alaska help and bring prosperity ?
I hardly doubt it.
Ilya

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Feb 26, 2008
 
tolmappp wrote:
Praise the residents of Chelyabinsk!
what does Chelyabinsk have to do with this?
jeff

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Feb 26, 2008
 
this article only exemplifies the fact of how lucky i am to be born in the United States.
Shocked

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Feb 26, 2008
 
It's very sad...
Shocked

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Katya wrote:
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I don't beleive that USA want to help not only Russia but anybody else. It doesn't mean that I hate the USA. In this forum I heard SOME KIND OF HELP from some American guy like "we (USA) will come to Moscow and put their our western democratic government and will TEACH Russians the democracy. Sorry, I Don't need such democracy. I don't know how it was in other countries (for ex. Ukraine) but in Russia we call it invasion. Yes, we aren't used to take help even during wars.
Why West decided to help us NOW as if we are living NOW SO BAD even dying. AS if we lived in the 90-th much better. No, THAT TIME WHEN THE USSR SPLIT WAS THE APOCALYPSE. THAT TIME WE NEED MUCH-MUCH-MUCH MORE HELP.
Fine, we won't help you!

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Feb 26, 2008
 
The bear sleeps..
Katya

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Shocked wrote:
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Fine, we won't help you!
Then put "your" missiles away as far as possible from our borders.
CityZen

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Feb 26, 2008
 
tolmappp wrote:
USA is helping Russians making them the next rich class of oil ARABs yet they must learn to share among themselves Muscovites are well known among Siberian as believing they are far advanced than the normal Russian. Russia needs to reform their society,not by Yankees. Praise the residents of Chelyabinsk!
I think you're right saying that Moscovites are somewhat more advanced than the rest of our people. Mostly those, who moved to Moscow to make a career. Only highly motivated "winners" stay in Moscow. "Loosers" go back home. It's Holliwood in a way... Sad though, I knew a different Moscow. As for the dying cities... Well, most of them were a part of the Soviet frontier so to speak. Well, they would make a great memorial for a great country... I just hope that even non-motivated population of these citites would be somewhere among the "winners".
Reality

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Shocked wrote:
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Fine, we won't help you!
Your help is very welcome indeed, in trying to understand the Russian psyche!
Before talking about helping others, please try to help yourselves.
Russia, rich or poor, could do a lot more W/O your 'well-intentioned' help.

talking about that health-care reforms, were we?
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Feb 26, 2008
 
My name is Trevor Immelman, and I am a professional golfer. I can say without a doubt that too many white people stay on welfare for over 10 years like the bums in this story. I play golf all over the world, and welfare runs rampant in italy, england, germany and russia. the US government gives Israel more welfare money than it's own citizens. These russian bums need to learn the value of hard work.
CityZen

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Professional golfer wrote:
These russian bums need to learn the value of hard work.
No, Russian millionaires need to learn the value of Russian people's hard work
John

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Look.... what's happening and will continue to happen is Russia (City of Moscow)will thrive while most of the rest of the country won't. The super wealthy and others insulated in Moscow don't and won't care what's going on outside their comfortable existence a world removed from nasty Siberian cities...this is something repeated in many places across the world only far more extreme in Russia than say the USA or Europe.....it's silly to expect Russia will become like North America or Western Europe....and it's depressing and sad to see and hear how insular, ignorant (about the outside world) and paranoid many Russians are in 2008....I've interacted with many Russians and most were (are) very aggressive/rude and contemptuous of their fellow man/woman....Russians are being very silly if they think the US and The West are soft...nothing, nothing could be further from the truth
John

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Reality in Calcutta: the United States has been FABULOUSLY successful probably beyond the wildest imagination of it's founders; no doubt never in the history of the world have soo many people lived, prospered and thrived in an open,democratic, liberal society like the USA (and Canada,Australia,Western Europe, Japan.) Never have soo many people in both raw numbers and proportionate to the population have it so good. The fact they endlessly b*tch is a sign of their comfort; people who're in real dire straits don't have the luxury to b*tch or amuse themselves with ideologies chic or otherwise.

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Feb 26, 2008
 
The city's of easten Russia/Siberia can thank Putnin for their dilema. Putnin has created a centralized government which means any and all decisions about Siberia or anywhere else in Russia go through Moscow and the Kremlin first. All regional/oblast goveners are appointed by Putnin personally unlike the west where they are democraticaly elected. Centralized governmentation has been proven a failure time after time.

It is the Kremlin who controls the money made from Siberia's oil, gas, and other resources. Even more so since Putnin has taken it upon himself to nationalize Russia's largest companies dealing with oil and gas ...Gazprom being the prime example of this.

I feel bad for the people living is Siberia, but I see nothing improving for them anytime soon. Not with the way Russia chooses to run her country.=(
Small Town America

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Feb 26, 2008
 
Horizon wrote:
The bear sleeps..
The bear is a little impotent poodle. Another russian dictatorship ruled by czar putin..Wake up and see the reality..

Since: Jan 08

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Feb 27, 2008
 
Small Town America wrote:
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The bear is a little impotent poodle. Another russian dictatorship ruled by czar putin..Wake up and see the reality..
That wasn't my point yankee.
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