Third of Russian conscripts too sick ...

Third of Russian conscripts too sick to serve

There are 24 comments on the Sunday Times story from Jan 20, 2011, titled Third of Russian conscripts too sick to serve. In it, Sunday Times reports that:

The general added that more than 200,000 Russian teenage boys were also evading the draft because of the army's reputation for brutal hazing practices.

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Dr Lecter

Toronto, Canada

#1 Jan 20, 2011
Hello Eurofriends,

The Russian Army cannot depend on Armenians, Balts, Belarusans, Georgians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians and other former colonial peoples to be their cannon fodder for "Russian glory" any longer --but obviously some Russians don't want to die for "Russian glory" now.

Ta-ta

H
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#2 Jan 20, 2011
What else is new, eh. Non-russians were always the backbone of the Soviet army.
Small Town America UGX

Estell Manor, NJ

#3 Jan 20, 2011
Ah! One third of un-healthy conscipts released from service in itself speaks a lot for conditions in Russia. While more than 250,000 youth still evade conscription, speaks more. Such motivation.
It is just a glimpse into how the majority youth view living under a dictatorship. Why sacrifice for a dictatorship that takes away your freedoms and restricts your life, with little self choice.
Why sacrifice when your government only cares for power and spends billions on offensive military capability without an enemy to justify such massive expenditures, but lets the average Russians fend for themselves without jobs, roads, and other ailing infrastructure. Plus neglecting other services such as emergency fire fighting, medical and meaningful health care. Why fight for such a self-destructive Kremlin that does not care for it's citizens.
No wonder the kremlin wants to brainwash the kids at an ealy age in school, and make sheep of them..
Dr Lecter

Toronto, Canada

#4 Jan 20, 2011
Previously Russia would send Armenians, Balts, Belarusans, Georgians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians and and other ethnic groups to die for Russian imperialism.

Russians are less keen to die for Russia when its their sons who have to die for Russian "glory" in Chechnya or other target of Russian expansionism.
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#5 Jan 20, 2011
Dr Lecter wrote:
Previously Russia would send Armenians, Balts, Belarusans, Georgians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians and and other ethnic groups to die for Russian imperialism.
Russians are less keen to die for Russia when its their sons who have to die for Russian "glory" in Chechnya or other target of Russian expansionism.
Good Doctor,

How many ethnic Russians died fighting the Germans?

We always heard from the Russians that 27 million people from Russia died fighting the Germans. Is that true?

Its been reported recently from a book called "Bloodlands" that over half of the Soviet Russian army fighting the Germans was non-ethnic Russian.
Lukashenko is Dr Phil

Tampere, Finland

#6 Jan 20, 2011
Dr Lecter wrote:
Previously Russia would send Armenians, Balts, Belarusans, Georgians, Kazakhs, Ukrainians and and other ethnic groups to die for Russian imperialism.
Russians are less keen to die for Russia when its their sons who have to die for Russian "glory" in Chechnya or other target of Russian expansionism.
Muscovites and Saint petersburg people claim they gave the greatest sacrifice in WW2. According to them other soviet states acted as buffer zone for Soviet Russia.

As for the caucasians. Until siberian oil reserves were found russians exploited the azeris about as hard as brits exploited the hindus.
Small Town America UGX

Estell Manor, NJ

#8 Jan 21, 2011
750 thousand military, of which many do not support the Kremlin. 250 thousand evade the conscriptionn. Seems like a weak military to me.

No wonder they use inflatable rubber decoys.

And where is our patriot coolncrazy? Evading conscription. lol.

“Pink Ponies of Justice”

Since: Sep 07

Moscow, Russia

#9 Jan 22, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
And where is our patriot coolncrazy? Evading conscription. lol.
I'm not evading, I just had a rightful choice and refused to serve. What's the problem - our supreme commander of the army didn't served in it.
Observer

Komotiní, Greece

#10 Jan 22, 2011
AbeUG wrote:
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Good Doctor,
How many ethnic Russians died fighting the Germans?
We always heard from the Russians that 27 million people from Russia died fighting the Germans. Is that true?
Its been reported recently from a book called "Bloodlands" that over half of the Soviet Russian army fighting the Germans was non-ethnic Russian.
More interesting could be the answer to the question "how many Russians actually fought for the Nazis in WWII?" The entire nation initially fought with the Nazis at the start of WWII, and then up to a million Russians served in the German armed forces. Russians don't like to be reminded that their nation was the one that most collaborated with the Nazi regime.
Small Town America UGX

Estell Manor, NJ

#11 Jan 22, 2011
coolncrazy wrote:
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I'm not evading, I just had a rightful choice and refused to serve. What's the problem - our supreme commander of the army didn't served in it.
I was not aware you could have a right to refuse. I do not think your President or Prime Minister ever served. Am I correct? You lose many of your rights everyday.

I see no problem. Under the conditions of your military and lack of freedom, who in their right mind would want to serve. And for what purpose. To serve your Kremlin, is not serving your country.
Small Town America UGX

Estell Manor, NJ

#12 Jan 22, 2011
In the USA, we have volunteer service. Our recruits are taught military discipline, without the beatings, etc. Our enlistment quota's are always met, with many re-enlisting. The pay is sufficient, being the highest paid military in the world. Morale is high. Once you leave recruit status, you are respected and are trained in your job selection. You are not treated like an animal.
post

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#13 Jan 22, 2011
According to the National Association of School Nurses, 17% of students in USA are considered obese and 32% are overweight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the...
post

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#14 Jan 22, 2011
Small Town America UGX wrote:
In the USA, we have volunteer service. Our recruits are taught military discipline, without the beatings, etc. Our enlistment quota's are always met, with many re-enlisting. The pay is sufficient, being the highest paid military in the world. Morale is high. Once you leave recruit status, you are respected and are trained in your job selection. You are not treated like an animal.
well, and now let's see how did americans behave when they had draft

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"By the later years of the war in the early 1970s, draft resistance reached its peak. In 1972, there were more conscientious objectors than actual draftees, all major cities faced backlogs of induction-refusal legal cases, and the Selective Service later reported that 206,000 persons were reported delinquent during the entire war period.[3] Yet draft resisters, combined with the larger antiwar movement on campuses and inside the military, was successful: there were too many people to punish or send to prison. So great were the numbers of draft resisters that in 1977, President Carter passed a general amnesty to all those who had fled abroad in defiance of the draft, allowing them to return to the United States, and out of 209,517 accused draft offenders, less than 9,000 were convicted.[4]"

http://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/vietnam_d...
Live Free or Die

Jericho, VT

#15 Jan 22, 2011
Hazing - ha! Piece of cake.

Weed out the chaff. If only we could haze these idiot UGlies out of here. ;-)
post

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#16 Jan 22, 2011
Mental health of american youth (13% are diagnosed with mental disorders)

"Data on the prevalence of mental disorders among U.S. youth have been varied, making it difficult to truly understand how many children and teens are affected," said NIMH Director Thomas R. Insel, M.D. "These data from the NHANES survey can serve as an important baseline as we follow trends of mental disorders in children."

In the study, the young people were interviewed directly. Parents or caregivers also provided information about their children's mental health. The researchers tracked six mental disorders¬ógeneralized anxiety disorder (GAD), panic disorder, eating disorders (anorexia and bulimia), depression, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and conduct disorder. The participants were also asked about what treatment, if any, they were receiving.

Overall, 13 percent of respondents met criteria for having at least one of the six mental disorders within the last year. About 1.8 percent of the respondents had more than one disorder, usually a combination of ADHD and conduct disorder."

http://www.disabled-world.com/disability/stat...
Live Free or Die

Jericho, VT

#17 Jan 22, 2011
post wrote:
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well, and now let's see how did americans behave when they had draft
..........
"By the later years of the war in the early 1970s, draft resistance reached its peak. In 1972, there were more conscientious objectors than actual draftees, all major cities faced backlogs of induction-refusal legal cases, and the Selective Service later reported that 206,000 persons were reported delinquent during the entire war period.[3] Yet draft resisters, combined with the larger antiwar movement on campuses and inside the military, was successful: there were too many people to punish or send to prison. So great were the numbers of draft resisters that in 1977, President Carter passed a general amnesty to all those who had fled abroad in defiance of the draft, allowing them to return to the United States, and out of 209,517 accused draft offenders, less than 9,000 were convicted.[4]"
http://depts.washington.edu/antiwar/vietnam_d...
The phenomenon of "fragging" has escaped your attention:

"Throughout the course of the Vietnam War, fragging was reportedly common. There are documented cases of at least 230 American officers killed by their own troops, and as many as 1,400 other officers' deaths could not be explained.[4] Between 1970 and 1971 alone, there were 363 cases of "assault with explosive devices" against officers in Vietnam."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging
post

Saint Petersburg, Russia

#18 Jan 22, 2011
Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Teens in USA

-In the U.S., 1 in 4 sexually active teens become infected with an STD every year.2 Some common STDs are chlamydia, gonorrhea, genital warts (also known as HPV - human papillomavirus), and herpes.(Facts in Brief: Teen Sex and Pregnancy, The Alan Guttmacher Institute, New York, 1996).

http://www.soundvision.com/Info/teens/stat.as...
Live Free or Die

Jericho, VT

#19 Jan 22, 2011
What! You mean we're not perfect?

STA UGH will have a heart attack!
Live Free or Die

Jericho, VT

#20 Jan 22, 2011
I especially like to watch the cop and prison shows to gawk at all the human detritus passing through our cities, most of it in NJ I think. ;-)
Rasta Mann

Huntington, NY

#21 Jan 22, 2011
What will the US government do when those it considers "white trash" wise up and refuse to die for the international bankers?

www.DumpDC.com

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