Romania 'Schizophrenic' Over Independence

Feb 18, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Inter Press Service

“The political class in Romania is against independence for electoral reasons as well”

Leaders of Romania, one of the European Union members not ready to recognise declaration of independence by Kosovo, are having a hard time justifying their opposition to birth of the new state. via Inter Press Service

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Romani'a 'Schizophrenic'!!! ohhh Yeah!
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i like your very limited and simple comments. much like the simple minded that you are.

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Saying that Constantinescu lost the elections because of the Romanian air space is really silly... No wonder nobody has ever heard of Gosu.

Romania does not have a hard time justifying its position. Kosovo declared its independence and received other countries' support against international law and against a resolution of the UN Security Council. It's that simple, and it was a bad idea, because it renders international law and the UN useless - is there anything Romania needs to justify about this? I don't think so.
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Erdely is Hungarian!!!God Bless an Independent Hungarian Erdely,Transylvanian republic!!!!Transylvania is ROM-ania's KOSOVO!!!!http://au.youtube.co m/watch?v=ZkDhXzZDAV8&eurl =http://www.bloglog.ro/erdly-f _0/erdely-magyar-vi_ZkDhXzZDAV 8TRANSYLVANIA
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ATTILA MAGYAR GARDA wrote:
Erdely is Hungarian!!!God Bless an Independent Hungarian Erdely,Transylvanian republic!!!!Transylvania is ROM-ania's KOSOVO!!!!http://au.youtube.co m/watch?v=ZkDhXzZDAV8&eurl =http://www.bloglog.ro/erdly-f _0/erdely-magyar-vi_ZkDhXzZDAV 8TRANSYLVANIA
hey idiot, cancer, corcitura, tradator de tara.

bosgor tigan, vad ca esti peste tot unde poti deranja pe stapinii tai Romanii!

Romanian Ardeal Forever! Come and get it if u can magyar garda! It sucks to be weak and impotent!
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when will we wake up and ask that transylvania and banat belong to us transylvanians(of all ethnic goups)?? We were always denied the chance to choose our own destiny. in 1920 we were forced to do what others told us..now, half a century of comunist brainwash later we are so confused that we've become the most loyal servants of bucharest(transylvanian-romani an and hungarians alike. the germans are long gone, traded by ceausescu like merchendice...and with them their culture which we admire so much)
we accept every whim...we are the richest and most hard-working region but worke for wages far beneath the ones in bucharest. we accept that all our investors and producers pay taxes to the bucharest local council...we watch our beautiful land and our once developed cities receive less and less credit from the goverment...yet we refuse to claim our rights(we are tricked in expecting modernization-highways, airports, investments, welfare, developement of our cities..but nothing serious has been done so far). we put up with wallachian insults and with the label of provincials, not to mention discrimination towards small ethinc groups.
we watch our taxes and our investors taxes fill the pockets of bucharest politicians and ex-comunist characters that steel and lie and get off with it always.
we remain quiet not asking about our past; we believe every lie they've told us; we don't even ask ourselves "who are we? what was transylvania in the past?" but accept the propaganda we are still taught in school and most importantly we don't ask ourselves why were all those germans sent to baragan and why were moldovans and rroma brought in transylvania? why did ceausescu try so hard to mix the population? why does the 1991 constitution forbid all regionally-based political organizations? and why did conflicts between transylvnaian-romanians and hungarians brake out in 1990 out of the blur?? the answer is the same...to prevent us from trying achieve autonomy..TOGETHER!because that's the only way..
so now here we are...some of us so filled with propaganda crap that we believe we are latin and we hate all other nationalities in transylvania.
in stead we should realize that we(transylvanians of all ethnnic groups) have lived toghether in the past and made transylvania and banat wealthy multiethnic territories and we should see what is preventing us from living better and stop accepting the ignorance, the lies, the deceit, the corruption, the balkanization, the "rromanisation-manelizati on-orientalization", and see OUR land and OUR people as the MAIN priority.
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First question you ask yourself is "Why?".
The reason behind their attitude is simple: People have always been wearing blinds over their eyes. In Transilvania (that is how you spell it in Romanian and I will keep it that way) there are ethnic groups and fights over ethnicity that stretch for as long as people can remember. Hungarians are so obsessed with the Trianon pact (not sure if it's a pact per se, please correct me if I'm wrong) and are weeping over things that happened in the past that they cannot see what is going on right now. Truth be told, this is their concern due to people advertising it so much. The problem is that the people who do this are the ones who lead them and by doing this they turn their minds from actual problems they have economically and socially, on their own turf. Romanians in their turn are so obsessed with keeping their integrity, they cannot afford considering the possibility of recognizing a new state, one that has broken off a country, one that has broken off by the will of a "minority" of people. The fact that they deny the existence of this new country only means that they are afraid right now, that they face a ghost that has been haunting them for ages. Truth be told, the government in Romania does nothing to improve the quality of life for its people. Be they in Bucharest or in Oradea, the people face the same decadence of will that has been imposed on them since the communist regime. Nothing really changed, except perhaps the prices they pay for living there.
History is what bothers most people. First they say that the Hungarians established themselves in the Panonic region as nobody was living there, which is not really accurate as Thracians are mentioned by all historical means of that time as being the occupants of that region and all the surrounding ones. Centuries far, the Austro-Hungarian monarchy was setup so well in central Europe, it expanded to include Transilvania, which remained theirs for a while (I don't want to count right now, but please don't compare the amount of time Hugarians and their ancestors were there with the time Romanians were there because Thracians, the people Romanians spawned from, have lived there for thousands of years before - from the beginning of time, so zip it). In 1918 Transilvania legally returned to Romania.
That is briefly the history as I studied it.
What happens right now is that in a sovereign state like Romania, Hungarians are so blinded by their anger, they refuse to talk Romanian, even if they do know how to. If you go to a store which is owned by a Hungarian and ask for some bread in Romanian, you have the chance of being looked at as a piece of dirt and get an answer in Hungarian saying that they don't speak Romanian. That is not the human thing to do people!
I don't want to be on one side or another at this moment, so I will state right now that time makes Transilvania Romanian, which is the reason I spell it that way, but indifference makes Transilvania a different land. The indifference of the Romanians towards Transilvania makes the people living there feel ashamed they are tied to this land.
That being said, I beg you people.. wake up! You are not Romanian, you are not Hungarian, you are European now, you are men, women, children or old folk that have the opportunity to be a part of something more than that stretch of land you are weeping for. If you are unsatisfied with how people treat you, you can go wherever you want in Europe, and start fresh. If you are unsatisfied because you speak Hungarian and people are replying in Romanian, perhaps you're in the wrong country.
Bottom line is that you should all see yourselves as being lucky. Lucky that you live in a place you have a lot of options and that you are at liberty to do whatever you want (as long as it doesn't interfere with the freedom of others - so says the Constitution).
The moment people will understand that we are all human, this dispute will end.
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salut alex,
yours is a reaction i was actually waiting to reply to because you are one of the few to have actually understood something.
i am going to try to take it point by point.
1. first of all, i wrote Transylvania with a "y" because i was writing in English. i actually am much more fond of the romanian version Ardeal; that is how we usually refer to our land, but, yes, you are right, that is the correct spelling of transilvania in the romanian language.
2. You bring out a very interesting aspect; that interethnic conflicts are part of the transylvanian history. and though that is true, this is the case of most european regions that were hospitable enough to attract more than one ethnic group and create rivalries. what strikes me is how the "adjusted" history we learn in schools makes us associate transylvania with a fight for ethnic supremacy, ignoring the efforts of all ethnic groups in maintaining transylvania independent(see the ottoman occupation in hungary that left transylvania independent thanks to efforts from all the population), not to mention its ability to achieve autonomy under all occupations(except for the one we are still under, and I will get to that when replying to frank-LA)because we must not forget that even in the years of the austrian-hungarian dualism, transylvania had autonomy, its own political institutions and parties that represented everyone, although not in an equal proportion.
so...this is a clear example of the way that the incorrect use of history can be misleading...transylvania was always a country in search of her own sovereignty and not only a county of interethnical disputes
3. about the Trianon Treaty, you asked for corrections; well it is not a pact but one of the 5 treaties elaborated by the paris conference in the aftermath of WW1.
why is it wrong to call it a pact? it's a international law mistake, because in order to have a pact you need to have both parties present and represented in the negotiations. that was not the case in paris 1918 as the countries that lost WW1(GER, AUT, HUN, TUR, BUL) were not invited to take part(i will talk about bilateral other negotiations linked to the conference outcomes when replying to the same frank-LA)
4. In your comment, you go on and make an observation i for one really enjoyed and shared.
being hung up on history prevents us from seeing what is really important. in transylvania people have a living standard that cannot sink any lower. and things are not looking to improve soon, and i don't meen small improvements like a sidewalk being cleaned, I mean: no more corruption and a correct use of people's money! We have entered in this world of mischievous mentality just as traian vuia warned in his open letter that some of you might have read(i'd be happy to send the romanian version to those who are interested). WE,TRANSYLVANIA, FROM CENTRAL EUPROE HAVE BECOME BALKANIANS!!INSETEAD OF PUSHING ROMANIA TOWARS CENTRAL EUROPE! this offensive wallach mentality has entered well into our everyday lives: habits that I.L.Caragiale pointed out in pre-union romania have become transylvanian as well...not to mention the latest manele invasion which has expanded in all of transyvania in just 6-7 years.
my primary motivation when i say
is that i want us not to correct what may had been wrong in our history but to have a higher living standard, to modernize, develop our country as we have so successfully done in our past.
the minority situation is different now from what it was 100 years ago. in the EU, ethnic groups have to be respected and enjoy at least all the rights granted to them through european legislation...so no one would be denied representation and participation.
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5. i really don't want to get into history as it is and as you say to have studied it(that's the way i've studied it too before university) but it is so incorrect and manipulative that is was and still is more dangerous than ceausescu himself because it made us intolerant.

6. This where I get to the "bread point"..it's a classic and such an appropriate exemple of the intolerance we've inherited. i really don't know who invented this horrible myth(probably the same person that started the Târgu mureş/Marosvásarhely conflict of 1990) that has us think romanians in some regions are starving literally because of hungarian linguistic opression...so pathetic!!!and yet it caught on so well.
not all societies are monolingual…people who have never been out of their village in bacau or botosani might think it's a horrible thing. but it's not! it broadens your mind...you come to be tolerant if not respectful of others, it helps you understand differences and to overcome them. that's why the "bread myth" is possible only between two retarded people that do not how to comunicate if the other isn't their exact clone!!plus, almost every transylvanian knows the word for bread in both romanian and hungarian(Pâine/Kenyer) and if not, they are not ashamed to describe it and try to overcome barriers.....
THAT IS BEING TRANSYLVANIAN!

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AUTONÓMIA ERDÉLYÉRT ÉS BÁNSÁGÉRT!
AUTONOMIE FÜR SIEBENBÜRGEN UND BANAT!
AUTONOMIJA UMJESTO TRANSILVANIJA PA BANALNI!
AUTONOMIJA ZA TRANSILVANIJA I BANALNI!

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ARDEALUL ARDELENILOR!
ERDÉLY AZ ERDÉLYIEKÉRT!
SIEBENBÜRGEN ZUR DIE SIEBENBÜRGISCHEN!
TRANSILVANIJA UMJESTO ODREĐENI ČLAN TRANSILVANIJA!
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salut alex,
yours is a reaction i was actually waiting to reply to because you are one of the few to have actually understood something.
i am going to try to take it point by point.
1. first of all, i wrote Transylvania with a "y" because i was writing in English. i actually am much more fond of the romanian version Ardeal; that is how we usually refer to our land, but, yes, you are right, that is the correct spelling of transilvania in the romanian language.

2. You bring out a very interesting aspect; that interethnic conflicts are part of the transylvanian history. and though that is true, this is the case of most european regions that were hospitable enough to attract more than one ethnic group and create rivalries. what strikes me is how the "adjusted" history we learn in schools makes us associate transylvania with a fight for ethnic supremacy, ignoring the efforts of all ethnic groups in maintaining transylvania independent(see the ottoman occupation in hungary that left transylvania independent thanks to efforts from all the population), not to mention its ability to achieve autonomy under all occupations(except for the one we are still under, and I will get to that when replying to frank-LA)because we must not forget that even in the years of the austrian-hungarian dualism, transylvania had autonomy, its own political institutions and parties that represented everyone, although not in an equal proportion.
so...this is a clear example of the way that the incorrect use of history can be misleading...transylvania was always a country in search of her own sovereignty and not only a county of interethnical disputes

3. about the Trianon Treaty, you asked for corrections; well it is not a pact but one of the 5 treaties elaborated by the paris conference in the aftermath of WW1.
why is it wrong to call it a pact? it's a international law mistake, because in order to have a pact you need to have both parties present and represented in the negotiations. that was not the case in paris 1918 as the countries that lost WW1(GER, AUT, HUN, TUR, BUL) were not invited to take part(i will talk about bilateral other negotiations linked to the conference outcomes when replying to the same frank-LA)

4. In your comment, you go on and make an observation i for one really enjoyed and shared.
being hung up on history prevents us from seeing what is really important. in transylvania people have a living standard that cannot sink any lower. and things are not looking to improve soon, and i don't meen small improvements like a sidewalk being cleaned, I mean: no more corruption and a correct use of people's money! We have entered in this world of mischievous mentality just as traian vuia warned in his open letter that some of you might have read(i'd be happy to send the romanian version to those who are interested). WE,TRANSYLVANIA, FROM CENTRAL EUPROE HAVE BECOME BALKANIANS!!INSETEAD OF PUSHING ROMANIA TOWARS CENTRAL EUROPE! this offensive wallach mentality has entered well into our everyday lives: habits that I.L.Caragiale pointed out in pre-union romania have become transylvanian as well...not to mention the latest manele invasion which has expanded in all of transyvania in just 6-7 years.
my primary motivation when i say
is that i want us not to correct what may had been wrong in our history but to have a higher living standard, to modernize, develop our country as we have so successfully done in our past.
the minority situation is different now from what it was 100 years ago. in the EU, ethnic groups have to be respected and enjoy at least all the rights granted to them through european legislation...so no one would be denied representation and participation.
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5. i really don't want to get into history as it is and as you say to have studied it(that's the way i've studied it too before university) but it is so incorrect and manipulative that is was and still is more dangerous than ceausescu himself because it made us intolerant.

6. This where I get to the "bread point"..it's a classic and such an appropriate exemple of the intolerance we've inherited. i really don't know who invented this horrible myth(probably the same person that started the Târgu mureş/Marosvásarhely conflict of 1990) that has us think romanians in some regions are starving literally because of hungarian linguistic opression...so pathetic!!!and yet it caught on so well.
not all societies are monolingual…people who have never been out of their village in bacau or botosani might think it's a horrible thing. but it's not! it broadens your mind...you come to be tolerant if not respectful of others, it helps you understand differences and to overcome them. that's why the "bread myth" is possible only between two retarded people that do not how to comunicate if the other isn't their exact clone!!plus, almost every transylvanian knows the word for bread in both romanian and hungarian(Pâine/Kenyer) and if not, they are not ashamed to describe it and try to overcome barriers.....
THAT IS BEING TRANSYLVANIAN!

AUTONOMY FOR BANAT&TRANSYLVANIA!
AUTONOMIE BANATULUI ŞI ARDEALULUI!
AUTONÓMIA ERDÉLYÉRT ÉS BÁNSÁGÉRT!
AUTONOMIE FÜR SIEBENBÜRGEN UND BANAT!
AUTONOMIJA UMJESTO TRANSILVANIJA PA BANALNI!
AUTONOMIJA ZA TRANSILVANIJA I BANALNI!

TRANSYLVANIA FOR THE TRANSYLVANIAN!
ARDEALUL ARDELENILOR!
ERDÉLY AZ ERDÉLYIEKÉRT!
SIEBENBÜRGEN ZUR DIE SIEBENBÜRGISCHEN!
TRANSILVANIJA UMJESTO ODREĐENI ČLAN TRANSILVANIJA!
TRANSILVANIJA ZA TRANSILVANSKI!
TRANSYLWANIA DLA TRANSYLWAŃCZYKÓW!
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salut alex,
yours is a reaction i was actually waiting to reply to because you are one of the few to have actually understood something.
i am going to try to take it point by point.
1. first of all, i wrote Transylvania with a "y" because i was writing in English. i actually am much more fond of the romanian version Ardeal; that is how we usually refer to our land, but, yes, you are right, that is the correct spelling of transilvania in the romanian language.
2. You bring out a very interesting aspect; that interethnic conflicts are part of the transylvanian history. and though that is true, this is the case of most european regions that were hospitable enough to attract more than one ethnic group and create rivalries. what strikes me is how the "adjusted" history we learn in schools makes us associate transylvania with a fight for ethnic supremacy, ignoring the efforts of all ethnic groups in maintaining transylvania independent(see the ottoman occupation in hungary that left transylvania independent thanks to efforts from all the population), not to mention its ability to achieve autonomy under all occupations(except for the one we are still under, and I will get to that when replying to frank-LA)because we must not forget that even in the years of the austrian-hungarian dualism, transylvania had autonomy, its own political institutions and parties that represented everyone, although not in an equal proportion.
so...this is a clear example of the way that the incorrect use of history can be misleading...transylvania was always a country in search of her own sovereignty and not only a county of interethnical disputes
3. about the Trianon Treaty, you asked for corrections; well it is not a pact but one of the 5 treaties elaborated by the paris conference in the aftermath of WW1.
why is it wrong to call it a pact? it's a international law mistake, because in order to have a pact you need to have both parties present and represented in the negotiations. that was not the case in paris 1918 as the countries that lost WW1(GER, AUT, HUN, TUR, BUL) were not invited to take part(i will talk about bilateral other negotiations linked to the conference outcomes when replying to the same frank-LA)
4. In your comment, you go on and make an observation i for one really enjoyed and shared.
being hung up on history prevents us from seeing what is really important. in transylvania people have a living standard that cannot sink any lower. and things are not looking to improve soon, and i don't meen small improvements like a sidewalk being cleaned, I mean: no more corruption and a correct use of people's money! We have entered in this world of mischievous mentality just as traian vuia warned in his open letter that some of you might have read(i'd be happy to send the romanian version to those who are interested). WE,TRANSYLVANIA, FROM CENTRAL EUPROE HAVE BECOME BALKANIANS!!INSETEAD OF PUSHING ROMANIA TOWARS CENTRAL EUROPE! this offensive wallach mentality has entered well into our everyday lives: habits that I.L.Caragiale pointed out in pre-union romania have become transylvanian as well...not to mention the latest manele invasion which has expanded in all of transyvania in just 6-7 years.
my primary motivation when i say
is that i want us not to correct what may had been wrong in our history but to have a higher living standard, to modernize, develop our country as we have so successfully done in our past.
the minority situation is different now from what it was 100 years ago. in the EU, ethnic groups have to be respected and enjoy at least all the rights granted to them through european legislation...so no one would be denied representation and participation.
5. i really don't want to get into history as it is and as you say to have studied it(that's the way i've studied it too before university) but it is so incorrect and manipulative that is was and still is more dangerous than ceausescu himself because it made us intolerant.

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somehow, we believe you´re an idiot, but there are many idiots in Hungary !

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http://www.pusztahaus.com/picts/land_leute/Hi...

would you like to bet on your father ?
today, he´s racing again !
would you like me to find out today´s odds ?

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Romania, Serbia, Slovakia and Greece = Russian/Chinese puppies.

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welcome Beharo,
where have you been so long, no lights in Alba lately ?
how is your popcorn business in Vushtri ?
hope, you´ll have plenty of that Serbian rakia for Christmas !

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Take off your ass from Slovakia, that place is stolen from Hungarians.
serbs must die

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pesky the real deal wrote:
welcome Beharo,
where have you been so long, no lights in Alba lately ?
how is your popcorn business in Vushtri ?
hope, you´ll have plenty of that Serbian rakia for Christmas !
shit slovakia is just an dot to be crushed...no future for shit slovakia...give lands to Hungarians u smelly slavs.
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Attila Magyar Garda wrote:
<quoted text>Watch this brother!!Kosovo is Albanian!
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...
i see you applaud the independence of Kossovo. Kossovo was serbian land but with an albanian majority. Let's have it your way and say Transylvania was hungarian land but with romanian majority (see the similarity in the situations until now?) the serbs rejected the albanian rights and recoursed to genocide when protests arose. the hungarians (especially between 1867-1918) rejected romanian rights (despite them beeing the majority) and recoursed to genocide. 2007 Kossovo independence the majority decided ( a unification with Albania might follow) 1918 majority decided Transylvania united with Romania. see the patern?:) what you guys don't realise is that Kossovo is the key for understanding why you lost your land in 1920.
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DEATH TO ROMania!TRANSYLVANIA IS HUNGARIAN LAND!
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...

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