Ethnic Politics in the Heart of Transylvania

May 23, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Transitions Online

“The Hungarian world is small and tightly interconnected.”

Rogers Brubaker and his co-authors have crafted an elegant and comprehensive study of nationalism in Cluj, the spiritual capital of that eternal borderland, Transylvania. via Transitions Online

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ERDELY,FELVIDEK,DELVIDEK,KARPA TALJA, MURAVIDEK,FELSOORVIDEK IS ALL HUNGARIAN IT WAS AND WILL BE AGAIN !!!!! GIVE THE MAGYAR BACK ALL THESE LANDS NOW!!!!!!

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Atilla, I agree with you.
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Atilla, I agree with you.
THANK U!!!!!DONT FORGET IN THE EUROPEAN UNION THERE WILL BE NO BORDERS THE MAGYAR HUNGARIANS WILL BE UNITED AND I DONT THINK ANY ONE WILL BE ABLE TO BREAKK THEM APART EVER AGAIN!!!!!!SZABADSAG A MAGYAROKNAK!!!!!!!!!!
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ATTILA wrote:
ERDELY,FELVIDEK,DELVIDEK,KARPA TALJA, MURAVIDEK,FELSOORVIDEK IS ALL HUNGARIAN IT WAS AND WILL BE AGAIN !!!!! GIVE THE MAGYAR BACK ALL THESE LANDS NOW!!!!!!
Come and take them back, if you can.
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As an American, I could never figure out why my open-minded, highly-educated, Romanian wife despised most Hungarians. After living in Romania a few months, an experience which is bolstered by the ridiculous posts by Attila, I can see why.

Generally speaking (there are exceptions), most Hungarians are imperious, resentful, intolerant, bull-headed, deluded bullies who seem to have no understanding that their domination and tyranical reign of a foreign land (Romania) is OVER, and has been for many years.

Please go back to Hungary and sulk there. Or, if you like, wring your hands as you plan the next act of eastern European conquest with your drunken friends at the local pub, which will never happen due to your collective impotence and inability to join the modern world.

Your empire has crumbled, and your people are no longer politically relevant. Get over it.
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As an American, I could never figure out why my open-minded, highly-educated, Romanian wife despised most Hungarians. After living in Romania a few months, an experience which is bolstered by the ridiculous posts by Attila, I can see why.
Generally speaking (there are exceptions), most Hungarians are imperious, resentful, intolerant, bull-headed, deluded bullies who seem to have no understanding that their domination and tyranical reign of a foreign land (Romania) is OVER, and has been for many years.
Please go back to Hungary and sulk there. Or, if you like, wring your hands as you plan the next act of eastern European conquest with your drunken friends at the local pub, which will never happen due to your collective impotence and inability to join the modern world.
Your empire has crumbled, and your people are no longer politically relevant. Get over it.
You have a little problem. There are areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. Even with 87 years of massive immigration of Romanians there's still Hungarian majority areas.

People have a right to self determination. These areas were part of Hungary for over 1000 years and will be part of it again.

So why don't you go back to the other side of the Carpathians with your folks, eat your corn meal mush, and shut up. Or are you going to go crying and making deals with the French as in WW1 to support your land grabs and stealing? Generally speaking aren't most Romanians really related to Albanians and not ancient Romans? Aren't they generally predisposed to petty crimes and ill mannered? And don't they have a genetic predisposition to herding goats?

Your hate runs strong. You are powerful with the dark side of the force.

You need to get over it. About the only thing you are right on in being un-organized. That will change.
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You have a little problem. There are areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. Even with 87 years of massive immigration of Romanians there's still Hungarian majority areas.
People have a right to self determination. These areas were part of Hungary for over 1000 years and will be part of it again.
So why don't you go back to the other side of the Carpathians with your folks, eat your corn meal mush, and shut up. Or are you going to go crying and making deals with the French as in WW1 to support your land grabs and stealing? Generally speaking aren't most Romanians really related to Albanians and not ancient Romans? Aren't they generally predisposed to petty crimes and ill mannered? And don't they have a genetic predisposition to herding goats?
Your hate runs strong. You are powerful with the dark side of the force.
You need to get over it. About the only thing you are right on in being un-organized. That will change.
Yes, the right to self determination. But it takes to long for Hungarians to determinate themselves want they live in Romania or in Hungary. Now if they don't like to live in Romania they should leave it for Hungary. Actually it is a easy task to do. There is no more borders between these two countries, so they could easily move to Hungary.
You pretend that Hungary has more then 1000 years?:) You can stick your racist remarks, poured with some hungarian paprika, in your azz.:) Transylvania is a Romanian land, was and will be.
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Some common sense wrote:
Generally speaking aren't most Romanians really related to Albanians and not ancient Romans? Aren't they generally predisposed to petty crimes and ill mannered? And don't they have a genetic predisposition to herding goats?
Generally speaking aren't most of Hungarians ill mannered, ignorant and full of themselves, ready to stick their noses in their azzes when someone address them in Romanian?:)
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Yes, the right to self determination. But it takes to long for Hungarians to determinate themselves want they live in Romania or in Hungary. Now if they don't like to live in Romania they should leave it for Hungary. Actually it is a easy task to do. There is no more borders between these two countries, so they could easily move to Hungary.
You pretend that Hungary has more then 1000 years?:) You can stick your racist remarks, poured with some hungarian paprika, in your azz.:) Transylvania is a Romanian land, was and will be.
When some ignorant American married to a Romanian makes racist remarks, I'll tell him the way it is.

And for you, if you don't like hearing the truth too bad. You have been fed a lot of revisionist history regarding Romanians in Transylvania. You ancestors were goat hearders that were brought in by the aristocracy starting in the 1500's as cheap laborers. As in the Kingdom of Hungary, foreigners were welcome and your ancestors were welome to speak their language and practice their religion. By the 1800's the entire situation was out of control in Hungary. So Magyarization was the result. I can't say I agree with Magarization, but that's it. I think people should speak several languages. I do.

In WW1, the Walachians made a deal with the French to aquire all of Transylvania. The French had as much of a right to do this as would the Chinese to promise Australia to Mongolia. However the French were backed up by America with a lot of arms.

You Romanians like the Slovaks and Serbs have a little problem. You have majority Hungarian areas in your countries after 86 years. Sooner or later there will be an free election. With your attitude I would expect the Hungarians to leave. Then Romania will look like a big Dunkin' Donut on the map. There's no need for war or violence. Sooner or later it will happen. Just wait till the Albanians, your relatives, in Kosovo get independence for Serbia. So then what will be the reason for a Hungarian majority area in nothern Serbia?

Where the Hungarians live in Transylvania they have been there for over 1000 years. If you don't like it, you need to move south of the mountains. You too can just move out. Then again we know about your fairy tales of being decendants of the Romans and this being your justification for everything. If you believe that story, there's some great swamp land in Florida for sale. Or I can sell you a bridge between Brookyln and Manhattan. Beleive what makes you happy with your racism.

And you know what? Do you know why your goats have horns? So when Romanians are f***ing them they can grab on and hold on. Stick you racist remarks up your a** with some of your corn meal mush. Is this how you folks grind corn??? By the way, add some hot paprika so it can burn a little. The stuff from Szeged is great. Then again, you might like it. You are an idiot.
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When some ignorant American married to a Romanian makes racist remarks, I'll tell him the way it is.
And for you, if you don't like hearing the truth too bad. You have been fed a lot of revisionist history regarding Romanians in Transylvania. You ancestors were goat hearders that were brought in by the aristocracy starting in the 1500's as cheap laborers. As in the Kingdom of Hungary, foreigners were welcome and your ancestors were welome to speak their language and practice their religion. By the 1800's the entire situation was out of control in Hungary. So Magyarization was the result. I can't say I agree with Magarization, but that's it. I think people should speak several languages. I do.
In WW1, the Walachians made a deal with the French to aquire all of Transylvania. The French had as much of a right to do this as would the Chinese to promise Australia to Mongolia. However the French were backed up by America with a lot of arms.
You Romanians like the Slovaks and Serbs have a little problem. You have majority Hungarian areas in your countries after 86 years. Sooner or later there will be an free election. With your attitude I would expect the Hungarians to leave. Then Romania will look like a big Dunkin' Donut on the map. There's no need for war or violence. Sooner or later it will happen. Just wait till the Albanians, your relatives, in Kosovo get independence for Serbia. So then what will be the reason for a Hungarian majority area in nothern Serbia?
Where the Hungarians live in Transylvania they have been there for over 1000 years. If you don't like it, you need to move south of the mountains. You too can just move out. Then again we know about your fairy tales of being decendants of the Romans and this being your justification for everything. If you believe that story, there's some great swamp land in Florida for sale. Or I can sell you a bridge between Brookyln and Manhattan. Beleive what makes you happy with your racism.
And you know what? Do you know why your goats have horns? So when Romanians are f***ing them they can grab on and hold on. Stick you racist remarks up your a** with some of your corn meal mush. Is this how you folks grind corn??? By the way, add some hot paprika so it can burn a little. The stuff from Szeged is great. Then again, you might like it. You are an idiot.
That American guy just remarked some facts about hungarians well known in Romania.
I'm sick of all kind of newcomers that come in our lands and then pretend they have the right to self "determination".
You have nothing, but your arrogance, which I equal to stupidity. You should say thanks to the Austrians that build almost everything in Hungary and civilized you.
Hope my serb brothers will kick azzes of my albanian relatives, and for sure we together with our serb brothers will kick your azzes in a case you'll try to start a war as albanian terrorists did.
Transylvania is a romanian land, was and will be. Get over it.
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That American guy just remarked some facts about hungarians well known in Romania.
I'm sick of all kind of newcomers that come in our lands and then pretend they have the right to self "determination".
You have nothing, but your arrogance, which I equal to stupidity. You should say thanks to the Austrians that build almost everything in Hungary and civilized you.
Hope my serb brothers will kick azzes of my albanian relatives, and for sure we together with our serb brothers will kick your azzes in a case you'll try to start a war as albanian terrorists did.
Transylvania is a romanian land, was and will be. Get over it.
Facts are facts. Romania was awarded Transylvania by the French. You have areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. They have been there for over 1000 years. Saying they can move elsewhere is nonsense. Now you are saying Austrians built everything? Again, nonsense. If you can not repudiate things, you just resort to false claims and vulgarity. As I've demonstrated anyone can do the same.

It was called Austria-Hungary. A dual monarchy. One King/Emperor and two countries. Actually it was a rival to France. Austria and or Hungary are/were a seat of great music, culture, cooking, confections. The French were responsible for the monarchy being dismembered. Maybe that's what Hungary currently needs is a monarch to say he's king of all the Hungarians?

I don't think you will find any Hungarians advocating war or violence. They spent two world wars on the losing side. With the EU, borders will become less revalent. Sooner or later Hungarian majority areas oustide of the current borders will vote to leave the sucessor states. It's just a matter of time.

So you think the Albanians, your kin, in Serbia need to be ethnically cleansed as Milosovic tried to do? So much for the idea of pan-romanism or brotherhood between you two kin folk. Sooner or later they will have independence. After all they deserve it. Next will be the Hungarians in the north. Again, it's just a matter of time.

You are right parts of Transylvania are Romanian and will be. Then again parts are Hungarian and will be free of you some day.
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And as of today June 4, 2007, it's now 87 years.
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Facts are facts. Romania was awarded Transylvania by the French. You have areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. They have been there for over 1000 years. Saying they can move elsewhere is nonsense. Now you are saying Austrians built everything? Again, nonsense. If you can not repudiate things, you just resort to false claims and vulgarity. As I've demonstrated anyone can do the same.
It was called Austria-Hungary. A dual monarchy. One King/Emperor and two countries. Actually it was a rival to France. Austria and or Hungary are/were a seat of great music, culture, cooking, confections. The French were responsible for the monarchy being dismembered. Maybe that's what Hungary currently needs is a monarch to say he's king of all the Hungarians?
I don't think you will find any Hungarians advocating war or violence. They spent two world wars on the losing side. With the EU, borders will become less revalent. Sooner or later Hungarian majority areas oustide of the current borders will vote to leave the sucessor states. It's just a matter of time.
So you think the Albanians, your kin, in Serbia need to be ethnically cleansed as Milosovic tried to do? So much for the idea of pan-romanism or brotherhood between you two kin folk. Sooner or later they will have independence. After all they deserve it. Next will be the Hungarians in the north. Again, it's just a matter of time.
You are right parts of Transylvania are Romanian and will be. Then again parts are Hungarian and will be free of you some day.
OK, OK as you say.
But anyway Transylvania was, is and always will be romanian land.
My kin are in Romania, not in albania. I have as much in common with Albanians as you have with mongols.:) But anyway Albanians are as humans as you are, despite your scorn for them.
By the way, ethnic cleanings were practiced by your beloved dual monarchy all the time and some kind of ethnic cleanings are attested in romanian regions populated predominately by Hungarians even now.
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You are right parts of Transylvania are Romanian and will be. Then again parts are Hungarian and will be free of you some day.
I don't see how those parts you pretend to be hunarians will join Hungary. I mean Kovasna and Harghita. Those two regions are situated in the middle of romania. Do you plain to build some kind of Berlin wall around them and organize some kind of air corridor for humanitarian aids?:)
Ah dreams.... hungarian dreams.
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Facts are facts. Romania was awarded Transylvania by the French. You have areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. They have been there for over 1000 years. Saying they can move elsewhere is nonsense. Now you are saying Austrians built everything? Again, nonsense. If you can not repudiate things, you just resort to false claims and vulgarity. As I've demonstrated anyone can do the same.
It was called Austria-Hungary. A dual monarchy. One King/Emperor and two countries. Actually it was a rival to France. Austria and or Hungary are/were a seat of great music, culture, cooking, confections. The French were responsible for the monarchy being dismembered. Maybe that's what Hungary currently needs is a monarch to say he's king of all the Hungarians?
I don't think you will find any Hungarians advocating war or violence. They spent two world wars on the losing side. With the EU, borders will become less revalent. Sooner or later Hungarian majority areas oustide of the current borders will vote to leave the sucessor states. It's just a matter of time.
So you think the Albanians, your kin, in Serbia need to be ethnically cleansed as Milosovic tried to do? So much for the idea of pan-romanism or brotherhood between you two kin folk. Sooner or later they will have independence. After all they deserve it. Next will be the Hungarians in the north. Again, it's just a matter of time.
You are right parts of Transylvania are Romanian and will be. Then again parts are Hungarian and will be free of you some day.
THE AMERICAN GUY IS MOST LIKELY A ROMANIAN GYPSY{ROMANY}FROM WLASSIA OR WHERE EVER THEY CAME FROM THEY CAN TAKE THERE GOATS AND GO BACK OVER THE CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS IDIOT !!![Lusta olaj ciganyok!!!!!!!!!!
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And as of today June 4, 2007, it's now 87 years.
KEEP COUNTING IDIOT !!!BECAUSE ITS GETTING CLOSER TO JUSTICE!!!!!!!
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Facts are facts. Romania was awarded Transylvania by the French. You have areas of Transylvania that have a Hungarian majority. They have been there for over 1000 years. Saying they can move elsewhere is nonsense. Now you are saying Austrians built everything? Again, nonsense. If you can not repudiate things, you just resort to false claims and vulgarity. As I've demonstrated anyone can do the same.
It was called Austria-Hungary. A dual monarchy. One King/Emperor and two countries. Actually it was a rival to France. Austria and or Hungary are/were a seat of great music, culture, cooking, confections. The French were responsible for the monarchy being dismembered. Maybe that's what Hungary currently needs is a monarch to say he's king of all the Hungarians?
I don't think you will find any Hungarians advocating war or violence. They spent two world wars on the losing side. With the EU, borders will become less revalent. Sooner or later Hungarian majority areas oustide of the current borders will vote to leave the sucessor states. It's just a matter of time.
So you think the Albanians, your kin, in Serbia need to be ethnically cleansed as Milosovic tried to do? So much for the idea of pan-romanism or brotherhood between you two kin folk. Sooner or later they will have independence. After all they deserve it. Next will be the Hungarians in the north. Again, it's just a matter of time.
You are right parts of Transylvania are Romanian and will be. Then again parts are Hungarian and will be free of you some day.
LISTEN U CANT TALK WITH THESE GOAT HERDERS !!!! FREEDOM HASNT BEEN GIVEN TO ANY NATION WITHOUT A LITTLE KICKING ARSE!!!!!!!!ERDELYORSZAG FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't see how those parts you pretend to be hunarians will join Hungary. I mean Kovasna and Harghita. Those two regions are situated in the middle of romania. Do you plain to build some kind of Berlin wall around them and organize some kind of air corridor for humanitarian aids?:)
Ah dreams.... hungarian dreams.
NO IDIOT!!!!! ERDELYORSZAG ALL OF IT BRO !!!!!!!!!!
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That American guy just remarked some facts about hungarians well known in Romania.
I'm sick of all kind of newcomers that come in our lands and then pretend they have the right to self "determination".
You have nothing, but your arrogance, which I equal to stupidity. You should say thanks to the Austrians that build almost everything in Hungary and civilized you.
Hope my serb brothers will kick azzes of my albanian relatives, and for sure we together with our serb brothers will kick your azzes in a case you'll try to start a war as albanian terrorists did.
Transylvania is a romanian land, was and will be. Get over it.
YOU ROMANY ARE NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL INTHE SHED OR EUROPE ARE U??????????
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Generally speaking aren't most of Hungarians ill mannered, ignorant and full of themselves, ready to stick their noses in their azzes when someone address them in Romanian?:)
ROMANIAN [romany]GYPSY GOAT HERDERS MOST CANT EVEN READ OR WRITE IN THERE OWNE GYPSY LANGUAGE HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

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