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Putin Hints At Splitting Up Ukraine

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#22
Apr 9, 2008
 
Foresttoday wrote:
<quoted text> I too, agree with Stefan for the most part. China may have come farther along than Stefan realizes. No, not total freedom or democracy, but in owning land and keeping their jobs, and though not mentioned they no longer kill female babies. One step at a time and the world becomes a better place for all.
I see China as making policy that suits her needs and not the peoples needs. So true is Russia. If owning small bits of land and keeping ones jobs generates profit (because of stability and efficiency) and this promotes development, China is all for it. But in areas like worker safety, or industrial accidents, she is very much backward.

China is like the worlds biggest Corporation operating 100% as a capital enterprise while not being held to any labor, environmental or ethical standards.

I do however agree that China is progressing in the right direction and Russia is not.

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Apr 9, 2008
 

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Why Not and BS Buster are the same person. I'm convinced. Both out of Edmonton. Both with the same views. Both with similar writing styles, punctuation, capitals, ect.
Why don't you all just register? I understand people who come on here once in a while not wanting to register but for those who are here everyday it makes it much easier by keeping track of the forums you have posted to and replies to your posts.
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Apr 9, 2008
 
The Russian hegemonic, imperialist, grasping mindset cultivated by generations of Russian chauvinism has made it a militaristic, expansionist culture.

Russia is looking for any excuse to invade or to split its neighbors, as evidenced by this Russian news article released to day....

Russia could claim Crimea if Ukraine joins NATO - MP
21:45 | 09/ 04/ 2008

MOSCOW, April 9 (RIA Novosti)- A senior member of the Russian lower house of parliament said on Wednesday that Russia could claim the Crimea if Ukraine was admitted to NATO.

NATO decided at its recent summit in Romania not to offer Ukraine and Georgia the chance to join a program that would have put them on the track to join the military alliance, but promised that the decision would be reviewed in December. The ex-Soviet republics had received strong U.S. backing for their bids.

"If Ukraine's admission to NATO is accelerated, Russia could raise the question of which country the Crimea should be a part of," Alexei Ostrovsky, the head of the State Duma committee on CIS affairs, said in a radio interview.

"The Russian Federation has legal grounds to revise agreements signed under Khrushchev."

Former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, who grew up in Ukraine, made the Crimean Peninsula - a territory of 26,100 sq km washed by the Black and Azov seas - part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. The peninsula had formerly been a part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic.

The Crimea, now an autonomous region within Ukraine, is a predominantly Russian-speaking territory. Since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union, the Crimea has unsuccessfully sought independence from Ukraine. A 1994 referendum in the Crimea supported demands for a broader autonomy and closer links with Russia.

The Russian Black Sea Fleet retains a Soviet-era base in Sevastopol in the Crimea. Disputes between Russia and Ukraine over the lease of the base are frequent.

However, Ostrovsky admitted that Ukraine was unlikely to join NATO any time soon, saying that the Ukrainian president, prime minister and parliamentary speaker were the only people in the country seeking membership of the Western military alliance. His comments referred to recent opinion polls that have indicated that about 70% of the population is opposed to joining NATO.

NATO's ongoing expansion, as well as Washington's missile plans for Europe and an ongoing dispute over the recognition of Kosovo by the U.S and the majority of EU states have plunged Moscow's relations with the West to a post-Cold War low.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080409/104227945.h...
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Apr 9, 2008
 
Stefan wrote:
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Why Not and BS Buster are the same person. I'm convinced. Both out of Edmonton. Both with the same views. Both with similar writing styles, punctuation, capitals, ect.
Sorry Stefan, Why Not is from Calgary . I have no connection with Bs Buster. On my portable ,I sometimes get picked up by the Edmonton satellite that shows the IP address coming from Edmonton . I find that Bs. Buster is a pompous idiot sometimes, but well informed and a good writer,and obviously well educated. I do agree that Stefan 's language skills are below average , and I say that as an educator I would put his writing at a grade six C average level. Baturyn has better writing skills but he misses key words and is confused by context such as confusing non judgemental with lack of judgement . In my days as a teacher in rural Saskatchewan I spent some time with my Ukrainian students to teach them the intricacies and nuances of the English language . Baturyn's lack of response speaks volumes about his cultural level . The lack of intellect on some of these posts are often hard to take . I will also leave with BS Buster for intellectually greener pastures . Adieu my friends . May check once in a while to see that the grammer is not getting too bad ,though .
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Apr 9, 2008
 
Canuck wrote:
Although President Putin statements may have been taken out of context, there exits a real possibility of Ukraine being split in the future. This is because the current Ukrainian leadership does not respect the will of the Ukrainian people especially in regards to NATO membership.
Human rights abuses are rampant in Ukraine according to a U.S. Department of State report.
Both Ukraine and Georgia are very unstable states thanks to their western backed colorful revolutions.
Ukraine and Georgia are unstable,only because of Russia.FULL STOP.
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Apr 9, 2008
 
Stefan wrote:
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Why Not and BS Buster are the same person. I'm convinced. Both out of Edmonton. Both with the same views. Both with similar writing styles, punctuation, capitals, ect.
For example Stefan makes many continual errors in English . It is etc . not ect. Stefan .If I see Stefan write 'of coarse' instead 'of course' again ,I will be sick .Stefan also mistates the word inbreeding and keeps referring to it as 'inner breeding '. As a former English teacher I can tell you his spelling and writing is abysmal and it betrays his lacklustre education ,which makes everyone look bad .He has a huge ego of course,( not:of coarse Stefan ) and does not back anything up ,except with the same old prejudices. Stefan is the stuff that ethnic jokes are made of .I have gone on far too long. Adieu. Baturyn's behavior remains inexplicable ,unless he was drunk .
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Apr 12, 2008
 
Why Not is very corse in his mis judgement and his over use of the Kings English. I would rather read about a persons ideas that be critical of his or her English Skills. We need to keep on track, I think we are still talking about Putin, spliting up Ukraine. Maybe I missed something and we changed horses along the way. Anyhoo, may bee we shold no t be two crit al of othes langage sills.:-) Smile
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Putin is right. Kiev is as Russian as Moscow or Petersburg. The Ukraine should be split up. Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia, Bessarabia to Rumania and Lwow to Poland. The rest, little Russia, to Russia.
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Putin is right. Kiev is as Russian as Moscow or Petersburg. The Ukraine should be split up. Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia, Bessarabia to Rumania and Lwow to Poland. The rest, little Russia, to Russia.
Isn't this another excellent example of Russian chauvinist projection and wishful thinking that is conditioned, through decades of insidious Russian Ukrainophobic disinformation and propaganda, to be hostile to Ukraine and Ukrainians?
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May 12, 2008
 
Basil wrote:
Putin is right. Kiev is as Russian as Moscow or Petersburg. The Ukraine should be split up. Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia, Bessarabia to Rumania and Lwow to Poland. The rest, little Russia, to Russia.
For how many years have Ukrainians had to fight for their right to recognized. Poles, Jew and Russians have all done that to Ukrainians. But this time it is different. Today Ukraine is much stronger than she ever was. Slowly the groups around her will back off and lose their ignorance.

The Poles and Jews have already back off, it is just the Russian Imperialist that can't accept the truth and reality of what has happened.
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It is really sad that a great country such as Russia, cannot stand to see a friend grow, and make it on their own. I would think that Russia would be holding out a rose and saying what can we trade for some of your crops. To tell a country that has been through what Ukraine has that they will divide it is just pure nonsense. Ukraine has all the natural resources it needs to become one of the most viable in Europe. Well, it could use a little more oil, or gas. :-)

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#33
May 13, 2008
 
Ukraine won't be split because Ukraine will obey Russia ( as always ).
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#34
May 13, 2008
 
A split Ukraine is merely a Russian chauvinist mental projection.
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#35
May 13, 2008
 
If anything has a tendency to split it will be Russia.

History shows that any Empire held together by force and corruption will surely decay.

The real question is how big will Russia actually be when it becomes 13 more separate republics? Maybe there will no longer be a Russia, maybe only a Moscovite Republic?:)
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May 13, 2008
 
Basil wrote:
Putin is right. Kiev is as Russian as Moscow or Petersburg. The Ukraine should be split up. Ruthenia to Czechoslovakia, Bessarabia to Rumania and Lwow to Poland. The rest, little Russia, to Russia.
You joke. This time, though, when war starts because of your silly imperial ambitions, there will be nothing left. No Kiev, no Lviv, no Moscow, no St. Petersburg, no Washington, no New York. That's because the next world war will go nuclear.

Even if the U.N. is impotent enough to do nothing to stop aggression, Eastern Europe won't sit around, waiting to be annexed. And then, its goodbye Moscow.
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#37
May 13, 2008
 
Ukraine is too strong to be split by anyone. Putin is just spouting so as to get the attention of the Ukrainians to fall into line. Putin has lost his tight controls on Ukraine and really does not know how to get them back wihtout threats of some sort or another.

Go UKRAINE from a US Marine
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