Pastor & Tithing
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Jed54

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Nov 8, 2008
I just had a call from out finance chairman at our church…. I was told that our Pastor has not been tithing at all. We are a very small baptist church in the inner city. Our pastor does get a small salary. He does have a second job. What this salary is we have no idea. He does live 25 to 30 miles from the church which means he commutes at least 100 a Sunday. I have been serving as a deacon for 20 years now, and truthfully I do not know how to approach this. This issue has never came to us in the past..

“Wasting Time”

Since: May 08

Texarkana, AR

#2 Nov 8, 2008
Jed54 wrote:
I just had a call from out finance chairman at our church…. I was told that our Pastor has not been tithing at all. We are a very small baptist church in the inner city. Our pastor does get a small salary. He does have a second job. What this salary is we have no idea. He does live 25 to 30 miles from the church which means he commutes at least 100 a Sunday. I have been serving as a deacon for 20 years now, and truthfully I do not know how to approach this. This issue has never came to us in the past..
Sounds like he is already giving by driving the distance with a small salary. I don't think you can find ten percent as a norm in the New Testament Church. Here is a site that might give you some insight on this issue.
www.monergism.com
this is my site: www.brotherskeepermissions.com
I just don't know both sides of the story to make a comment for either of you.
You can email me from my web site and maybe do a more in depth comment.

“Wasting Time”

Since: May 08

Texarkana, AR

#3 Nov 8, 2008
My first question is why would the finance chairman disclose that info to you if it bothered them so much. They should have went directly to the scripture to see how to handle the situation and then to the one that they had a problem with in person. Do you have it in your bylaws that the Pastor is to give a certain percentage? Tithing is an Old Testament practice, but we are to give in the New Testament Church also, but according to our bendiciones. Actually we should give more than 10 percent if possible seeing how Jesus is returning and the great commission is very important. I am a full time missionary and people tell me all the time how wonderful of a work we do, but I have not drawed a descent paycheck in five years. Therefore there are many times that we cannot give. Now the other issue is to make sure that you are not looking for a reason to get rid of him. If the Church is dissatisfied with his performance then you should address the issues at hand and not look for other issues as an excuse to fire him. I too am Baptist and I understand some of the problems in Church

“Wasting Time”

Since: May 08

Texarkana, AR

#4 Nov 8, 2008
Also if you get rid of the pastor for not tithing ten percent then you have to examine everyone in the congregation. Are all the members giving ten percent. We must use God's wisdom from God's Holy Word or we will make serious mistakes. We do not want to be like the Pharisees. Give God the glory!
judsed

Lafayette, CA

#5 Dec 9, 2008
If a church member asks to see the church financial or tithing reports, Should they be allowed to see it or is it confidential?
Recently a tithing member of the church asked and the Pastor said "Once your money goes into the basket it is not your money any more it belongs to God"
Barry

Floresville, TX

#6 Dec 10, 2008
judsed wrote:
If a church member asks to see the church financial or tithing reports, Should they be allowed to see it or is it confidential?
Recently a tithing member of the church asked and the Pastor said "Once your money goes into the basket it is not your money any more it belongs to God"
It should be confidential. I would be very unhappy if it was open for all to see.
reformed theology

Floresville, TX

#7 Dec 10, 2008
judsed wrote:
If a church member asks to see the church financial or tithing reports, Should they be allowed to see it or is it confidential?
Recently a tithing member of the church asked and the Pastor said "Once your money goes into the basket it is not your money any more it belongs to God"
Not only is that biblically correct, but it is legally correct.
reformed theology

Floresville, TX

#8 Dec 10, 2008
The financial reports of the Church is and should be open for all the Church to see, but not the name and amount given by the donors. Scripture teaches that we should give in secret. I know that we cannot keep everyone from knowing unless we give cash, but we should minimize the number of people that know.
Jed54

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Jan 15, 2009
Another thing I realized was that he never moved his letter from the church he was a member....He could be possibly tithing to his home church anyway.... The issue does not really concern me too much but his last to messages recently have been on tithing, and being everyones responsibilty.

“Acts 1:7”

Since: Apr 08

thesecretary.wordpress.com/

#10 Jan 15, 2009
Jed54 wrote:
Another thing I realized was that he never moved his letter from the church he was a member....He could be possibly tithing to his home church anyway.... The issue does not really concern me too much but his last to messages recently have been on tithing, and being everyones responsibilty.
First, what you give to God is supposed to be in private (one example - Matt 6:3)

“Acts 1:7”

Since: Apr 08

thesecretary.wordpress.com/

#11 Jan 15, 2009
Second, if he is tithing in cash there is no way to know. I always give my offering in cash (and often without counting what I grab from my purse) because I truly believe that noone should know what I'm giving, including me.

Since: Jan 08

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#12 Jan 25, 2009
Jed54 wrote:
I just had a call from out finance chairman at our church…. I was told that our Pastor has not been tithing at all. We are a very small baptist church in the inner city. Our pastor does get a small salary. He does have a second job. What this salary is we have no idea. He does live 25 to 30 miles from the church which means he commutes at least 100 a Sunday. I have been serving as a deacon for 20 years now, and truthfully I do not know how to approach this. This issue has never came to us in the past..
Tithing is between the person and God. I would leave it alone.
Jed54

Saint Louis, MO

#13 Dec 31, 2009
Sorry I haven't gotten back with any updates to my post, but things have been rather busy this past year.. I know that our pastor does not tithe by cash. Have learned ( recently )that he does not agree entirely what the Southern Baptist Convention has to say. He does have a Methodist background as a youth. I have no idea what other denominations teach on giving. Seen different topics on Old and New Covenant views on this subject. To me people want to make excuses for not doing what they are suppose to do. Like lawyers and loopholes.. Our pastor has two jobs. Many people have two jobs and do what is called. To me he has no reason for exception. Maybe its time to finally sit down and get things in order from our pastor........
samson

Bolivar, MO

#14 Jan 28, 2010
One of the dirty little secret lies of the christian world is mandatory tithing, it is not biblical and most leaders know it, they just keep pretending that it is because they are worried that if they actually follow the bible then the money may not be there.I discovered this many years ago as a young christian and I was shocked that christian leaders would willfully lie about the bible for the sake of money. Christians were encouraged to give but no amount was placed on the church.
Matt

Springdale, AR

#15 Feb 9, 2010
Jed54,

All I can say is, "wow". I am constantly amazed at how Satan uses deacons. What you and the finance chairman need to do is repent of your gossip and then learn to shut your mouths! What your pastor gives is between him and the Lord, nobody else! How dare you!

If he is a false teacher, that's a whole other scenario...but even if he is a false teacher, his giving is none of your business.

How many other people have you and the finance chairman disclosed this to? I'm sure you haven't kept it to yourselves. You brood of filthy vipers!! God have mercy upon you!
Mark

Austin, TX

#16 Jan 26, 2011
I have been doing research on the subject of tithing and have been very surpirised by the results. tithing is part of the mosiac law and does not apply in the New Covenant. It can also be hindering you from recieving gods blessings, for example,"you reap what you sow," where as you give the tithe and very little in offering. People like to explain new covenant tithing with abraham giving a tithe to Melchizedek. If you read the whole story, Abraham gives 10 percent to Melchizedek & 90 percent to the king of Sodom, because he did not want to be accused of being made rich by this plunder so he kept none of it. What Abraham gave was not his, but someone elses property,and it was a 1 time tithe.
Galatians 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Is falling from grace the result of using tithing or any other old covenant laws. In this verse it is about circumsion.
Worship Arts

Denver, CO

#17 Oct 10, 2011
Jesus does call us as Christians to give as much as we can. The 10 percent is an Old Testament standard but the New Testament standard is give out of the fullness of your heart whatever you can. As for pastors I personally believe pastors are no supposed to tithe. God set up tithing to provide for the needy but also for the spiritual leaders. A lot of people forget that when Israel was divided amongst the tribes there was one tribe that did not receive land which were the Levites, aka the priests. All the other tribes were to tithe to provide for the priests so that the priests could focus on teaching and communing with God instead of planting crops or other things.
Brother John

Miami, FL

#18 Jan 14, 2012
Jed54 wrote:
I just had a call from out finance chairman at our church…. I was told that our Pastor has not been tithing at all. We are a very small baptist church in the inner city. Our pastor does get a small salary. He does have a second job. What this salary is we have no idea. He does live 25 to 30 miles from the church which means he commutes at least 100 a Sunday. I have been serving as a deacon for 20 years now, and truthfully I do not know how to approach this. This issue has never came to us in the past..
Disclosing giving records could be grounds for dismissal. Pastors and missionaries of all people should know that tithing actually results in a profit over not tithing. If you have a small paycheck how can you afford not to tithe? Trust God. You will see.
Linda

Holland, OH

#19 Jun 14, 2012
Tithing is not a Biblical command in relation to money. Yet, if the pastor teaches his members to tithe on their money, he should also tithe.
Linda

Holland, OH

#20 Jun 14, 2012
Worship Arts wrote:
Jesus does call us as Christians to give as much as we can. The 10 percent is an Old Testament standard but the New Testament standard is give out of the fullness of your heart whatever you can. As for pastors I personally believe pastors are no supposed to tithe. God set up tithing to provide for the needy but also for the spiritual leaders. A lot of people forget that when Israel was divided amongst the tribes there was one tribe that did not receive land which were the Levites, aka the priests. All the other tribes were to tithe to provide for the priests so that the priests could focus on teaching and communing with God instead of planting crops or other things.
Do you believe that pastors should purchase land and houses?

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