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Evangelicals Snubbed in Cathedral's 9/11 Program

There are 22 comments on the www.foxnews.com story from Sep 6, 2011, titled Evangelicals Snubbed in Cathedral's 9/11 Program. In it, www.foxnews.com reports that:

A weekend of religious-themed observances at Washington National Cathedral marking the tenth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks will include a Buddhist nun and an Imam, but not an evangelical Christian ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Sep 6, 2011
from foxnews:

"Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News Radio the lineup was better suited for the United Nations than the United States.

''Three quarters of the American people identify as Christian and nearly a third of them are evangelical Christian,' Perkins said.'And yet, there is not a single evangelical on the program.'

"'There’s no doubt that this is clearly politically correct,' Perkins told Fox News Radio.'It is historically inaccurate that in times of need or mourning that Americans pray to the Hindu or Buddhist Gods or the God of Islam. America is overtly a Christian nation that prays to the Judeo-Christian God – and specifically to Jesus Christ'...

"'Obviously, tolerance is at work here. In a nation whose current God is tolerance, it is absolutely hypocritical that the major group to be excluded and be intolerant of – is evangelical Christians.'"

Richard Weinberg, the Cathedral's director of communications, said the Cathedral is an Episcopal church and our own clergy will serve as Christian representatives.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#2 Sep 7, 2011
Is free will a wonderful gift from God.

Defining an Evangelical:

Matthew 23:25

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

And

Christ Jesus knocks on the door of their heart and they don't open the door.

Matthew 7: 6-8

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

And

Luke 11: 9-13

9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?

12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?

13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#3 Sep 7, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
Matthew 7: 6-8
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs ...
Is that supposed to be YOUR rationale for TEC not to invite evangelicals to the National Cathedral's 9/11 program?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#4 Sep 8, 2011
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Is that supposed to be YOUR rationale for TEC not to invite evangelicals to the National Cathedral's 9/11 program?
They are not my words. I do think they apply to the case under discussion.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Sep 8, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
Is free will a wonderful gift from God.
Defining an Evangelical:
Matthew 23:25
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
And
Christ Jesus knocks on the door of their heart and they don't open the door.
Matthew 7: 6-8
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Ask, Seek, Knock
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
And
Luke 11: 9-13
9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead?
12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion?
13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I would imagine that the evangelical clergy who remain a part of TEC would think your definition an apt description of their minstries -- proof positive that you don't have a clue as to what the term even means.

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#6 Sep 9, 2011
George wrote:
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I would imagine that the evangelical clergy who remain a part of TEC would think your definition an apt description of their minstries -- proof positive that you don't have a clue as to what the term even means.
On the contrary.

Your very admission that there are evangelical clergy and members in TEC is a confirmation of T McCabe's point.

If you don't believe that, then please explain why these evangelical clergy and members did not raise a ruckus about not being represented.

The fact is that they were represented, as evangelicals and members of TEC. TEC also has pentecostal members. Why haven't they suddenly started jumping up and down about not being represented? It is because they ARE represented.

Why haven't the Methodists and the Presbyterians and the Seventh Day Adventists and the UCC and the Evangelical Lutherans and the Greek Orthodox and the Nigerian Anglicans and the Mennonites and the many other protestant denominations all rise up in protest that they were not being represented? It is because they ARE being represented.

If the Southern Baptists want their own personally designated seat at an ecumenical table of service that also invites representatives of Islam and Hindu and Buddhist belief systems, all of which suffered victims of 9/11, let them first demonstrate a willingness to come to the table without prejudice. This, they have been vehemently unwilling to do, preferring instead to voice an extremist and rejectionist view toward many peoples of other faiths, especially Islamists.

They should learn a lesson from the very person whom they say is the Head of their Church.

Rev. Ken
George

Jacksonville, FL

#7 Sep 9, 2011
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On the contrary.
Your very admission that there are evangelical clergy and members in TEC is a confirmation of T McCabe's point.
If you don't believe that, then please explain why these evangelical clergy and members did not raise a ruckus about not being represented.
The fact is that they were represented, as evangelicals and members of TEC. TEC also has pentecostal members. Why haven't they suddenly started jumping up and down about not being represented? It is because they ARE represented.
Why haven't the Methodists and the Presbyterians and the Seventh Day Adventists and the UCC and the Evangelical Lutherans and the Greek Orthodox and the Nigerian Anglicans and the Mennonites and the many other protestant denominations all rise up in protest that they were not being represented? It is because they ARE being represented.
If the Southern Baptists want their own personally designated seat at an ecumenical table of service that also invites representatives of Islam and Hindu and Buddhist belief systems, all of which suffered victims of 9/11, let them first demonstrate a willingness to come to the table without prejudice. This, they have been vehemently unwilling to do, preferring instead to voice an extremist and rejectionist view toward many peoples of other faiths, especially Islamists.
They should learn a lesson from the very person whom they say is the Head of their Church.
Rev. Ken
I don't care who was invited to the event. Having been there on several occasions and hving each time departed wondering why I had subjected myself to the experience, I don't find any benefit (spiritual or otherwise) to attending. I only took issue with an absurd description that stereotypes all evangelicals.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#8 Sep 9, 2011
George wrote:
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I don't care who was invited to the event. Having been there on several occasions and hving each time departed wondering why I had subjected myself to the experience, I don't find any benefit (spiritual or otherwise) to attending. I only took issue with an absurd description that stereotypes all evangelicals.
Have you considered therapy?

One of the many definitions for insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting a different result.

As you wrote about yourself:

“Having been there on several occasions and having each time departed wondering why I had subjected myself to the experience, I don't find any benefit (spiritual or otherwise) to attending.”

There is nothing wrong about seeking professional help in our ‘enlightened’ time.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#9 Sep 9, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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Have you considered therapy?
One of the many definitions for insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting a different result.
As you wrote about yourself:
“Having been there on several occasions and having each time departed wondering why I had subjected myself to the experience, I don't find any benefit (spiritual or otherwise) to attending.”
There is nothing wrong about seeking professional help in our ‘enlightened’ time.
You speaking from experience?
I go to the dentist regularly. I have a reason for going but I don't find the experience rewarding. I had good reasons for going to the cathedral - sometimes you do things for other people's benefit. I would go again to be there for someone for whom my particpation was wanted/required/requested. If that is insanity, I plead guilty. If it is merely being supportive of someone I love despite my personal distaste for the experience, I call that commitment.

Since: Aug 09

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#10 Sep 9, 2011
George wrote:
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You speaking from experience?
I go to the dentist regularly. I have a reason for going but I don't find the experience rewarding. I had good reasons for going to the cathedral - sometimes you do things for other people's benefit. I would go again to be there for someone for whom my particpation was wanted/required/requested. If that is insanity, I plead guilty. If it is merely being supportive of someone I love despite my personal distaste for the experience, I call that commitment.
Boy!

What a fun date you must be.

Since: Aug 09

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#11 Sep 9, 2011
George wrote:
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You speaking from experience?
I go to the dentist regularly. I have a reason for going but I don't find the experience rewarding. I had good reasons for going to the cathedral - sometimes you do things for other people's benefit. I would go again to be there for someone for whom my particpation was wanted/required/requested. If that is insanity, I plead guilty. If it is merely being supportive of someone I love despite my personal distaste for the experience, I call that commitment.
I wonder if such martyrdom is a commonly Hoosier trait.
Think Again

Pittsboro, NC

#12 Sep 10, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Boy!
What a fun date you must be.
Why would George need to be a "fun" date at a 9/11 Memorial Service?

Maybe you should let Sock Puppet explain her own asinine posts before you jump in and look like a bigger idiot than you really are.

Since: Aug 09

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#13 Sep 10, 2011
Think Again wrote:
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Why would George need to be a "fun" date at a 9/11 Memorial Service?
Maybe you should let Sock Puppet explain her own asinine posts before you jump in and look like a bigger idiot than you really are.
Boy! You must be a fun date, too.

But, thanks for the compliment.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#14 Sep 10, 2011
George wrote:
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I go to the dentist regularly....I call that commitment.
I wonder if they found all the lead from your earlier fillings?
Think Again

Pittsboro, NC

#15 Sep 10, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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I wonder if they found all the lead from your earlier fillings?
The only lead found around here is in your head.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#16 Sep 12, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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I wonder if they found all the lead from your earlier fillings?
More of your fulfillment of your baptismal covenant to respect the diginity of all people?
George

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Sep 12, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Boy!
What a fun date you must be.
Sorry - but I don't hit from that side of the plate. Speculation about what kind of a date I (and other men would be) is rather curious but regardless, if you have never attended a function, had dinner with, or met socially with some people that your spouse agreed to do despite your lack of enthusiasm for the event or the other attendees, you can't possibly be married.
[Note: my wife's bishop and I get along quite well and my dislike of many things Episcopalian is no bar to my being able to conduct myself appropriately in a social setting.]

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#18 Sep 12, 2011
George wrote:
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More of your fulfillment of your baptismal covenant to respect the diginity of all people?
I don't think that being 'concerned' about your well being is showing you a lack of respect.

Since: Aug 09

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#19 Sep 13, 2011
George wrote:
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Sorry - but I don't hit from that side of the plate. Speculation about what kind of a date I (and other men would be) is rather curious but regardless, if you have never attended a function, had dinner with, or met socially with some people that your spouse agreed to do despite your lack of enthusiasm for the event or the other attendees, you can't possibly be married.
[Note: my wife's bishop and I get along quite well and my dislike of many things Episcopalian is no bar to my being able to conduct myself appropriately in a social setting.]
Brother, I was looking for a sense of humor.

These threads are often sadly short on this most essential of human/animal traits.

RK

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 Sep 13, 2011
RevKen wrote:
... These threads are often sadly short on this most essential of human/animal traits.
RK
I think there's more than enough "animal traits" demonstrated on these threads.

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