Is Once Saved, Always Saved true?

Is Once Saved, Always Saved true?

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#1 Mar 1, 2009
Is Once Saved, Always Saved true? Or can you lose your Salvation?

“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#2 Mar 11, 2009
Boy have you opened up a can of worms here. LOL But according to the word of God we saved and SEALED until the day of redemption and can NOT lose our salvation. If we rightly divide the word of God

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Romans 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2Timothy 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

I could give MANY more verses that show the eternal security of the believer. Once a person is IN Christ...they can NOT get out. When we get saved, we are not saved by our own power nor are we KEPT by our own power. We didn't have anything to do with our salvation. All we did was BELIEVE and put our faith in the work that JESUS did on the cross of Calvary. PLEASE bear in mind though that I do not believe that because we are eternally secure that we have a "free pass" to sin and live as we please. I believe a saved Christian should judge themselves DAILY and confess their sins DAILY. We should STRIVE to live the most Godly life that we possibly can while we are still here in our flesh. Just because we are saved and God changed our INSIDE, we STILL have a sinful OUTSIDE and will continue to still sin because of our old Adamic nature. It will be this way until the Rapture of the Church when we get our glorified bodies and THEN we will be JUST like Jesus. When a child of God gets out of line....God will give us a spiritual "whoopin" or chastisement just as the scripture teaches. He will NOT take one of His children OUT of the Book of Life once they have been placed there.

What God does is PERMANENT. Once we are in Christ, we are there for good. When our names are recorded in the Book of Life, God does not use erasable ink.
Heath

Garland, TX

#3 Mar 12, 2009
Question: Can you explain Mark 16:16?

Answer: There have been many futile attempts to disregard Mark 16: 9-20 on the basis that the text is not genuine. While the passage is not found in some ancient manuscripts, it is found in many other ancient manuscripts. In fact, there are early references to Mark 16: 9-20 which predate some of the uncial manuscripts which are sited to prove the text is not authentic. Beside, all the teaching of this passage (including verse 16) is found elsewhere.

An analysis of Mark 16: 16. Jesus said: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." The verse contains a simple compound declarative statement. "The participles ("believeth" and "baptized," dm) are substantivized and describe the person that shall be saved" (R.C.H. Lenski, Vol. 2, pg. 765). "Believeth" and "baptized" are joined by "and" which grammatically shows Jesus is placing equal importance on belief and baptism. Belief and baptism are conditions to: "shall be saved."

Observations of a Baptist and a Lutheran commentator. The Pulpit Commentary observes regarding Mark 16: 16: "These words are very important. The first clause opposes the notion that faith alone is sufficient for salvation...." (vol. 16, pg. 348). "...Baptism cannot, therefore, be a mere sign or symbol that bestows nothing," writes Lutheran commentator R.C.H. Lenski. "If it were no more it would not be so vitally connected with salvation. Baptism bestows, and the believing baptized person accepts and receives this great 'salvation' from the Savior" (vol. 2, pg. 765 ff.). How about the negative, "but he that believeth not shall be damned"? "...nothing is said about being baptized simply because nothing needs to be said...by disbelieving the gospel he disbelieves also the baptism which is part of it, hence, he will refuse to be baptized...." {Ibid)

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Heath

Garland, TX

#4 Mar 12, 2009
Question: Does the Bible teach eternal security?

Answer: This is a good Bible Question, but it is a little ambiguous. There is every reason to believe that those who make heaven will enjoy security (Rev. 21; 22). As a rule, when this question is asked, though, it pertains to this life. Therefore, I shall focus my answer on matters pertaining to this life.

The Christian presently has eternal life in prospect. Salvation is enjoyed when one obeys the gospel (Acts 2: 36-46). Regarding eternal life, Paul penned the following "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" (Tit. 1: 2). However, in a certain situation, eternal life is so certain that it is proleptically spoken of as a present acquisition (I Jn. 5: 13, more later).

Conditionality is taught throughout the scriptures. On occasion, the condition regarding a specific matter is resident within the same verse (Jn. 3: 16). Sometimes the condition is exterior to the verse. For instance, John wrote "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (I Jn. 2: 2). Other verses show that salvation is conditional and not universally automatic (I Jn. 1: 6; 3: 9).

The answer to our question about eternal security is "yes" and "no." As mentioned, eternal life is certain in certain conditions (I Jn. 5: 13). These conditions involve obedience to the truth as taught in the scriptures (I Jn. 4: 1, 5: 3). Peter taught that if the Christian adds to his faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love, "ye shall never fall" (2 Pet. 1: 5-11). This is what Peter terms "making your calling and election sure" (2 Pet. 1: 10). Hence, the faithful child of God enjoys eternal security in prospect (Tit. 1: 2). However, one can elect to fall away (Gal. 5: 4). Regarding the apostate, the Bible does not teach unconditional eternal security. In fact, for such it would be better had they never known the way of righteousness (2 Pet. 2: 21).

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“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#5 Mar 12, 2009
1Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Heath wrote:
Question: Does the Bible teach eternal security?
Answer: This is a good Bible Question, but it is a little ambiguous. There is every reason to believe that those who make heaven will enjoy security (Rev. 21; 22). As a rule, when this question is asked, though, it pertains to this life. Therefore, I shall focus my answer on matters pertaining to this life.
The Christian presently has eternal life in prospect. Salvation is enjoyed when one obeys the gospel (Acts 2: 36-46). Regarding eternal life, Paul penned the following "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began" (Tit. 1: 2). However, in a certain situation, eternal life is so certain that it is proleptically spoken of as a present acquisition (I Jn. 5: 13, more later).
Conditionality is taught throughout the scriptures. On occasion, the condition regarding a specific matter is resident within the same verse (Jn. 3: 16). Sometimes the condition is exterior to the verse. For instance, John wrote "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (I Jn. 2: 2). Other verses show that salvation is conditional and not universally automatic (I Jn. 1: 6; 3: 9).
The answer to our question about eternal security is "yes" and "no." As mentioned, eternal life is certain in certain conditions (I Jn. 5: 13). These conditions involve obedience to the truth as taught in the scriptures (I Jn. 4: 1, 5: 3). Peter taught that if the Christian adds to his faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love, "ye shall never fall" (2 Pet. 1: 5-11). This is what Peter terms "making your calling and election sure" (2 Pet. 1: 10). Hence, the faithful child of God enjoys eternal security in prospect (Tit. 1: 2). However, one can elect to fall away (Gal. 5: 4). Regarding the apostate, the Bible does not teach unconditional eternal security. In fact, for such it would be better had they never known the way of righteousness (2 Pet. 2: 21).
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lool

Clarksville, MD

#6 Mar 18, 2009
You can lose by doing something bad, than you just have to be born again... and again and again and again and again and again.
Heath

Grapevine, TX

#7 Mar 18, 2009
lool wrote:
You can lose by doing something bad, than you just have to be born again... and again and again and again and again and again.
Born again once (John 3:1-5).

If I depart from Christ the life giver then I'll die.

Rom 8:13
For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

This was written to saved people.

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Heath

Grapevine, TX

#8 Mar 18, 2009
1Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

AMEN!

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“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#9 Mar 18, 2009
Key word here is "IF" This does not say that you WILL lose your salvation. We are KEPT by the power of God.

1Peter 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1Peter 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

1Peter 1:5 Who are KEPT by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Either the Bible contradicts itself or ONE of us is not rightly dividing. Here's a hint....it's not me. I know the Bible is perfect and that there are NO contradictions in it.
Heath wrote:
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Born again once (John 3:1-5).
If I depart from Christ the life giver then I'll die.
Rom 8:13
For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
This was written to saved people.
www.roysecitycoc.org

“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#10 Mar 18, 2009
Hey Heath, has your church posted any more personal attack links on your web site lately?? Maybe you could launch one against the Pentecostals or maybe you could even add one against the Presbyterians. What a FINE, upstanding church you have that would use their public web site to attack another church.

I'm thinking about getting a link added to our church web site...."Look out for the Water Dogs!" or maybe "Beware of the Campbellites!"

While I'm at it...I have a couple of questions for you...

Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a sinner to be baptized FOR or In ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If so WHEN and WHERE?

Did Christ personally, at any time or place say to anyone, He That is Baptized not shall be damned?

If your answers are YES, if you can give me book, chapter and verse for your answers, I'd appreciate it.
Heath wrote:
1Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
AMEN!
www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath

Grapevine, TX

#11 Mar 18, 2009
Bible Believer wrote:
Hey Heath, has your church posted any more personal attack links on your web site lately?? Maybe you could launch one against the Pentecostals or maybe you could even add one against the Presbyterians. What a FINE, upstanding church you have that would use their public web site to attack another church.
I'm thinking about getting a link added to our church web site...."Look out for the Water Dogs!" or maybe "Beware of the Campbellites!"
While I'm at it...I have a couple of questions for you...
Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a sinner to be baptized FOR or In ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If so WHEN and WHERE?
Did Christ personally, at any time or place say to anyone, He That is Baptized not shall be damned?
If your answers are YES, if you can give me book, chapter and verse for your answers, I'd appreciate it.
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"I'm thinking about getting a link added to our church web site...."Look out for the Water Dogs!" or maybe "Beware of the Campbellites!"

LOL!!

That would not both me friend. I'm neither one of those.

Who will be SAVED according to Mark 16:16?

A. He who believes

B. He who is baptized

C. He who believes and is baptized

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“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#12 Mar 19, 2009
According to your web site, you are Church of Christ....so yes that makes you a Campbellite. You follow the teachings of Alexander and Thomas Campbell.

Are you Jewish? Or maybe do you WISH you were Jewish? I'm thinking that you are NOT Jewish so Mark 16 has NOTHING to do with your salvation at ALL. That was written to the DISCIPLES who were JEWS. Not to US the Gentiles. We are not under the Law anymore as they were. We are UNDER GRACE. We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH....no works needed. Jesus DID all the work on the cross. You need to realize that there is NO power in the baptismal pool. It is JUST a picture of salvation for us now in the age of Grace. Also, you need to understand that every time you see the word baptism....it does NOT always mean by WATER. There is more than one baptism. The baptism that we are saved by in the Church age is the baptism by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. No water involved.

By the way....you didn't answer my two questions so I'll post them again for you. I would think you would be able to answer them. You have posted enough falsehood against MY denomination. You are so sure that you are right and we Baptist have got it wrong so just answer these two questions for me....

Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a sinner to be baptized FOR or In ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If so WHEN and WHERE?

Did Christ personally, at any time or place say to anyone, He That is Baptized not shall be damned?

Here are a couple of other questions while we are at it...

If the Church of Christ is THE ONE true church, why is it not mentioned in the Bible? If there WERE(and there's NOT)ONE true church or denomination, then it would be the Church of God. It is mentioned many times in the Bible.

Also, what if I was lost and wanted to be saved and confessed my sins and repented but in the mean time, the water pipes broke in the church? Would I have to put my salvation on hold until the pipes were fixed?
Heath wrote:
<quoted text>
"I'm thinking about getting a link added to our church web site...."Look out for the Water Dogs!" or maybe "Beware of the Campbellites!"
LOL!!
That would not both me friend. I'm neither one of those.
Who will be SAVED according to Mark 16:16?
A. He who believes
B. He who is baptized
C. He who believes and is baptized
www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath

Lavon, TX

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Bible Believer wrote:
According to your web site, you are Church of Christ....so yes that makes you a Campbellite. You follow the teachings of Alexander and Thomas Campbell.
Are you Jewish? Or maybe do you WISH you were Jewish? I'm thinking that you are NOT Jewish so Mark 16 has NOTHING to do with your salvation at ALL. That was written to the DISCIPLES who were JEWS. Not to US the Gentiles. We are not under the Law anymore as they were. We are UNDER GRACE. We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH....no works needed. Jesus DID all the work on the cross. You need to realize that there is NO power in the baptismal pool. It is JUST a picture of salvation for us now in the age of Grace. Also, you need to understand that every time you see the word baptism....it does NOT always mean by WATER. There is more than one baptism. The baptism that we are saved by in the Church age is the baptism by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. No water involved.
By the way....you didn't answer my two questions so I'll post them again for you. I would think you would be able to answer them. You have posted enough falsehood against MY denomination. You are so sure that you are right and we Baptist have got it wrong so just answer these two questions for me....
Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a sinner to be baptized FOR or In ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If so WHEN and WHERE?
Did Christ personally, at any time or place say to anyone, He That is Baptized not shall be damned?
Here are a couple of other questions while we are at it...
If the Church of Christ is THE ONE true church, why is it not mentioned in the Bible? If there WERE(and there's NOT)ONE true church or denomination, then it would be the Church of God. It is mentioned many times in the Bible.
Also, what if I was lost and wanted to be saved and confessed my sins and repented but in the mean time, the water pipes broke in the church? Would I have to put my salvation on hold until the pipes were fixed?
<quoted text>
Who will be SAVED according to Mark 16:16 which are the words preached to EVERY CREATURE vs 15?

A. He who believes

B. He who is baptized

C. He who believes and is baptized

www.roysecitycoc.org

“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#14 Mar 19, 2009
Hey Heath...why are you ignoring my questions man?? Come on now.....SURELY you are not ignoring them on purpose...right?? I guess if you want to be saved the Jewish way....then help yourself. As for me....I am saved by grace through faith and not of works.

So what do you do about Romans 10:9,10??

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Where's the water at in these two verses?? For some reason, Paul doesn't mention water as part of salvation here. Is there more than one way to get saved? Is this a contradiction? Should we just throw these verses out of the Bible? What about it?

What about this....

1Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Sounds like Paul didn't put a lot of emphasis on baptism. What do you do with this verse? Is Paul a liar? Is he wrong? Do we throw this verse out?

Come on now Heath...you can do better than this. At least give me the courtesy of answering my questions.
Heath wrote:
<quoted text>
Who will be SAVED according to Mark 16:16 which are the words preached to EVERY CREATURE vs 15?
A. He who believes
B. He who is baptized
C. He who believes and is baptized
www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath

Lavon, TX

#15 Mar 20, 2009
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

AMEN!

"Where's the water at in these two verses??"

The same place the blood of Christ and repentance are.

1Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

AMEN!

Paul did not have to do the immersions. Other people could do it.

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Heath

Lavon, TX

#16 Mar 20, 2009
Bible Believer wrote:
Hey Heath...why are you ignoring my questions man?? Come on now.....SURELY you are not ignoring them on purpose...right?? I guess if you want to be saved the Jewish way....then help yourself. As for me....I am saved by grace through faith and not of works.
So what do you do about Romans 10:9,10??
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Where's the water at in these two verses?? For some reason, Paul doesn't mention water as part of salvation here. Is there more than one way to get saved? Is this a contradiction? Should we just throw these verses out of the Bible? What about it?
What about this....
1Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Sounds like Paul didn't put a lot of emphasis on baptism. What do you do with this verse? Is Paul a liar? Is he wrong? Do we throw this verse out?
Come on now Heath...you can do better than this. At least give me the courtesy of answering my questions.
<quoted text>
Who will be SAVED according to Mark 16:16 which are the words preached to EVERY CREATURE vs 15?

A. He who believes

B. He who is baptized

C. He who believes and is baptized

www.roysecitycoc.org
Bobby

Mandeville, LA

#17 Mar 20, 2009
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/royse-city-tx...

Here Bible Believer this topic could use your help.

“Not King James? Not Bible. ”

Since: Jun 07

Caruthersville

#18 Mar 21, 2009
Is THAT all you have for me?? LOL

Well how about this one then....

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

There's your blood for salvation....where's the water in this one??
Heath wrote:
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
AMEN!
"Where's the water at in these two verses??"
The same place the blood of Christ and repentance are.
1Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
AMEN!
Paul did not have to do the immersions. Other people could do it.
www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath

Lavon, TX

#19 Mar 22, 2009
Bible Believer wrote:
Is THAT all you have for me?? LOL
Well how about this one then....
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].
There's your blood for salvation....where's the water in this one??
<quoted text>
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

AMEN!

www.roysecitycoc.org
Heath

Lavon, TX

#20 Mar 22, 2009
Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

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