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Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#1 Oct 12, 2006
The recent resurgence of the doctrine of Calvinism or specifically the teaching of the acrostic TULIP is proving to be a point of contention.

The recent study shows 10 percent of SBC pastors hold to the TULIP theology.

90 percent are non-Calvinist (I am in this 90 Percent - I am anti-TULIP )

For me the TULIP theology or Calvinist theology is a false doctrine. It teaches in a none-theological way of stating it that God only saved a few out of the many and the other many can not be saved regardless.

I see it as a fatalistic doctrine that is not supported in Scripture. I also see them as cleverly twisting the meaning and context to suit their view. As, well, they, in my opinion, pervert the Holiness of God.

Here is what I consider to be the correct view to counter the teaching of the TULIP and Calvinism. See my successive post due length limitation of each post.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#3 Oct 12, 2006
CURED from Calvinism and Tulip theology

U- Unlimited Atonement

John 1: 4. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6. There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.

John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

John 12:32. "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.";

John 12:47. "If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

I Timothy 2: 6. who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony {given} at the proper time.

I Timothy 4:10. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Hebrews 2:9. But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels,{namely,} Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

II Peter 2:1. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

I John 2: 2. and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#2 Oct 12, 2006
C- Conditional salvation See each single post on CURED One for each letter C, U, R, E, D

Mark 1:14. Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15. and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Luke 15:7. "I tell you that in the same way, there will be {more} joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Acts 17: 30. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent,

II Peter 3: 9. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Acts 16: 30. and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
31. They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Romans 4:5. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Romans 10:9. that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10. for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

I Corinthians 1:21. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not {come to} know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#4 Oct 12, 2006
R- Resistible Grace

Acts 28: 24. Some were being persuaded by the things spoken, but others would not believe.

Acts 17:0. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent,

John 5:40. and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

II Peter 3:9. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Luke 7:30. But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God's purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.

Acts 7:51. "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

Matthew 23:37. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

John 7:17. "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or {whether} I speak from Myself.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#5 Oct 12, 2006
E - Eternal Security

John 10:9. "My Father, who has given {them} to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch {them} out of the Father's hand. 30. "I and the Father are one."

John 6:39. "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day

John 14:16. "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

II Corinthians 1: 22. who also sealed us and gave {us} the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 4:30. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption

Philippians 1: 6.{For I am} confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 7:25. Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

I Peter 1: 5. who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#6 Oct 12, 2006
D- Delivered from being Dead in Trespasses and sin

1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2. in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5. even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6. and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly {places} in Christ Jesus, 7. so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,{salvation is} the gift of God; 9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Romans 5: 20. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21. so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:6. knowing this, that our old self was crucified with {Him,} in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
7. for he who has died is freed from sin. 11. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 22. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.23. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 8: 10. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

II Corinthians 5: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

I Corinthians 15:56. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;
57. but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:22. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe

Ephesians 1: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#7 Oct 12, 2006
Will have to start this over because it only lets me do two post at a time.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#8 Oct 12, 2006
CURED From Calvinism and Arminianism

C- Conditional salvation

Mark 1:14. Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15. and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Luke 15:7. "I tell you that in the same way, there will be {more} joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Acts 17: 30. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all {people} everywhere should repent,

II Peter 3: 9. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Acts 16: 30. and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
31. They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Romans 4:5. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Romans 10:9. that if you confess with your mouth Jesus {as} Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10. for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

I Corinthians 1:21. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not {come to} know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Gordon101347

Albertville, AL

#9 Oct 12, 2006
D- Delivered from being Dead in Trespasses and sin

1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2. in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5. even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6. and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly {places} in Christ Jesus, 7. so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,{salvation is} the gift of God; 9. not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Romans 5: 20. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21. so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:6. knowing this, that our old self was crucified with {Him,} in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
7. for he who has died is freed from sin. 11. Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 22. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.23. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 8: 10. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

II Corinthians 5: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

I Corinthians 15:56. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;
57. but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:22. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe

Ephesians 1: 19. namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

“God's Wisdom is in the Cross”

Since: Apr 07

New Jerusalem

#10 Nov 14, 2007
Gordon101347 wrote:
The recent resurgence of the doctrine of Calvinism or specifically the teaching of the acrostic TULIP is proving to be a point of contention.
The recent study shows 10 percent of SBC pastors hold to the TULIP theology.
90 percent are non-Calvinist (I am in this 90 Percent - I am anti-TULIP )
For me the TULIP theology or Calvinist theology is a false doctrine. It teaches in a none-theological way of stating it that God only saved a few out of the many and the other many can not be saved regardless.
I see it as a fatalistic doctrine that is not supported in Scripture. I also see them as cleverly twisting the meaning and context to suit their view. As, well, they, in my opinion, pervert the Holiness of God.
Here is what I consider to be the correct view to counter the teaching of the TULIP and Calvinism. See my successive post due length limitation of each post.
Gordon: Please post a link to this so-called "recent study".

I am a Southern Baptist Pastor, and a Calvinist, like ALL of the SBC Founders were; and I would certainly be aware of any such "study". Please post a link to it.

And while you're at it: Please explain for us why it is, that while the President of our denomination, Dr. Frank S. Page has acknowledged his belief in the doctrines of grace, and called for a CHARITABLE discussion of it within our fellowship; YOU have chosen to attack & vilify the Brethren who you disagree with?

Thank you.
william

United States

#11 Jan 18, 2008
Gordon101347 wrote:
CURED from Calvinism and Tulip theology
U- Unlimited Atonement
John 1: 4. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6. There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
John 12:32. "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.";
John 12:47. "If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
I Timothy 2: 6. who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony {given} at the proper time.
I Timothy 4:10. For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
Hebrews 2:9. But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels,{namely,} Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
II Peter 2:1. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
I John 2: 2. and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world
I like the Scripture that is used but if Christ died for the whole world then the whole world would be saved. There is a Hell so therefore all the world is not saved. God in His perfect wisdom knows what He is doing in all aspects of salvation. We can fuss and fume over the TULIP all we want but that does not change the fact that there people going to Hell every second some place in this big world. The time it has taken me to write this I could have been sharing the Gospel with someone. Yes I am a Calvinist and I believe that the Gospel should go unto all the world and let God do the calling and saving, not man. Is the Blood of Christ able to save to the uttermost? It sure is, then we should issue the call to repentance by the preaching of the Word God and let God save whom He will through the work of the Holy Spirit.

Since: Jan 08

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Jan 20, 2008
The whole world is saved. Go into Romans 5 and read the way the words are constructed. Just as Adam separated all mankind from God by his sin, the Last Adam (1 Corin. 5:12) has reunited all mankind to God.

Now....does this mean that all mankind will enjoy eternal felicity? No. Not hardly. To those who hate God and want nothing to do with Him, His presence will be a fiery torment. But to those who love Him, that same fiery and passionate love will be ever comforting and ever warming to them.

I have a link for you. Read it and tell me what you think of this idea. It is much more in line with the scripture which says "God is love."

http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_...
Anthony

Grandview, WA

#13 Jan 20, 2008
The Calvinist - Arminian debate is certainly nothing new. While I can understand the desire for debate, the issues involved are not concerning "essential doctrine".

Both Calvinists and Arminians believe in Salvation through faith in Christ, that it is an act of grace not of works, and that Jesus Christ is God-Incarnate.

The reason I state this is because this debate is between brothers, and God has greatly used men who stood on both sides of this. Thus as a debate among bretheren it should be discussed with love and understanding. Gordon's hostility on an issue that can be argued both ways from scripture causes me to suggest he is being too schismatic. While a 5 point Calvinist and an Arminian have different pictures of how God goes about his plan of Salvation the fact is that in practise neither view has any practical difference in how a Christian is to function. In truth either view requires a small bit of speculation and assumption.

I am not a TULIP Calvinist nor am I strictly Arminian, I fall somewhere in the middle.. as does scripture. Even Charles Spurgeon was confused by this issue as he felt both view could be seen in scripture but had no idea how they worked together. The discussion should continue, but in a brotherly and charitable fashion.
John Davis

United States

#14 Jan 29, 2008
I would rather believe my salvation was determined by a loving God than a sinner like myself. Before Christ called me, I was a rebellious sinner who wanted nothing to do with God. If I had not been called by a sovereign God who chose me before the foundation of the world, I would be hell bound and proud of it. If that is Calvinism, then I am a Calvinist. However why do we seem to always have to put labels on people? I am a sinner saved by grace and that is enough.
Your Friend in CHRIST,
John D.
John Davis

United States

#15 Jan 29, 2008
Check out the Baptist Statement of faith: http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#x
It is full of TULIP.

“God's Wisdom is in the Cross”

Since: Apr 07

New Jerusalem

#16 Feb 1, 2008
Anthony wrote:
...the issues involved are not concerning "essential doctrine".
Both Calvinists and Arminians believe in Salvation through faith in Christ, that it is an act of grace not of works, and that Jesus Christ is God-Incarnate.
Even Charles Spurgeon was confused by this issue as he felt both view could be seen in scripture but had no idea how they worked together
Anthony, with all due love & respect, I must respond to some misstatements I believe you have made.

1) The issues involved are “essential” since they touch on the very nature of God, Man, and what truly constitutes the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. For example: If God is truly omnipotent (all powerful); then we must admit it absurd to suggest that he can fail to accomplish anything he wills to do. Yet this is precisely what Arminians suggest.
2) As our friend “William” from Lexington so well put “...if Christ died for the whole world then the whole world would be saved.” Which of course touches on another essential of our faith – Soteriology. On the one hand you have those who believe that while Christ’s sacrifice was certainly sufficient a ransom to atone for the sins of every man, woman, and child; in actuality it is only EFFECTIVE on behalf of the Elect. Arminians state that Christ never actually paid for anyone’s sins, but that he suffered for them to achieve potential atonement, as opposed to the ACTUAL atonement the Bible speaks of.
3) The Bible clearly teaches men are dead in sin.(Rom 5:12; 1 Cor. 15:22;Eph 2:1, 5-6; Col. 2:13) Arminians flatly deny this, and suggest that carnal men are free to choose to believe to the saving of their souls; never mind the fact that their carnal nature won’t allow for it.(Rom 8:7-8; I Cor 2:14) This too, is an essential issue, which greatly impacts our evangelistic efforts and expectations.

As for your statement concerning the late Charles Spurgeon “Even Charles Spurgeon was confused by this issue as he felt both view could be seen in scripture but had no idea how they worked together.”; nothing could be further from the truth. One of Spurgeon’s greatest works was entitled "A Defense of Calvinism". In it he makes the following statement “And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism.”
Regarding Arminianism Spurgeon further adds "The doctrine of justification itself, as preached by an Arminian is nothing but the doctrine of salvation by works...”
I think it safe to conclude that the “Prince of Preachers” was anything but “confused” about his Calvinistic faith.
I suggest a further reading into what the Arminians believe and teach versus the historic Calvinists. Here’s a few links:
http://www.spurgeon.org/calvinis.htm

http://www.aracnet.com/~wing/cal_arm.htm

Best regards

“God's Wisdom is in the Cross”

Since: Apr 07

New Jerusalem

#17 Feb 1, 2008
Light of the East wrote:
The whole world is saved. Go into Romans 5 and read the way the words are constructed. Just as Adam separated all mankind from God by his sin, the Last Adam (1 Corin. 5:12) has reunited all mankind to God.
Now....does this mean that all mankind will enjoy eternal felicity? No. Not hardly. To those who hate God and want nothing to do with Him, His presence will be a fiery torment. But to those who love Him, that same fiery and passionate love will be ever comforting and ever warming to them.
“LoE”, it appears you missed Paul’s careful contextualization where he says “But the free gift is NOT like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.”[Rom 5:15]

All mankind were reckoned to be in Adam when he sinned.(vs.12)
Yet NOT all men were reckoned to be “in Christ” when he died.
Jesus came to SAVE HIS PEOPLE from their sins, not the entire world.
“...thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”[Mat 1:21]

The Apostle further clarifies this point when he says “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”[Rom 8:1]

God’s condemnation upon a Christ-rejecting world still stands. No man is “reunited to God” who is outside of Christ. They remain his adversaries who will be eternally separated from his presence.(2 Thes. 1:9)

To suggest that the “whole world is saved” is to advocate the ancient heresy known as “universalism”.
No, we according to His promise look for a new heaven & earth wherein ONLY the righteous will dwell and enjoy the presence of God for all eternity.(2 Pet 3:13)
joe worsham

United States

#18 Feb 3, 2008
As a former SBC lifelong member I left the SBC because they rejected the spiritual nature of Calvinism. The holy scripture was interpreted into English by John Calvin and his associates into the Genveva bible. I own a new copy of the 1599 Geneva that the King James 1611 and all versions of true English bibles derive. I say to the double talking purpose driven SBC preachers to please go trash those King Jimmy and King JimmyII bibles and get you a Catholic bible so you won't get tainted with true doctrine that was passed down by the tireless work of those Calvinist you love to lie about and trash! Get Billy Graham or Paige Patterson to write a true SBC bible and get Rick Warren and Johnny Hunt to help...

“God's Wisdom is in the Cross”

Since: Apr 07

New Jerusalem

#19 Feb 5, 2008
joe worsham wrote:
As a former SBC lifelong member I left the SBC because they rejected the spiritual nature of Calvinism. The holy scripture was interpreted into English by John Calvin and his associates into the Genveva bible. I own a new copy of the 1599 Geneva that the King James 1611 and all versions of true English bibles derive...
Actually, it was John Wycliffe which first translated the Bible into English in 1385, long before John Calvin existed; this he did by hand. William Tyndale's was the first printed English version in1526, which used the Textus Receptus of Erasmus (1516) as it’s source, rather than the corrupt Vulgate.
The Geneva Bible of which you speak was first published in 1560, and was the combined work of great reformers like Myles Coverdale, John Knox, Thomas Sampson, William Whittingham, John Foxe (of Foxe's Book of Martyrs), and John Calvin; it retained 90% of William Tyndale’s previous translation. Also known as the "Breeches Bible", it was the first Bible to incorporate verse numbering. It was indeed the Bible of the Puritans, Pilgrims, and Reformers and oft quoted by Williams Shakespeare.

Today we have versions such as the English Standard Version, the New American Standard, the Modern King James; all of which are based upon the “majority text” as well as Textus Receptus.
Had Erasmus been alive today, I have little doubt he would have approved.

Best regards.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#20 Feb 29, 2008
Gordon101347 wrote:
The recent resurgence of the doctrine of Calvinism or specifically the teaching of the acrostic TULIP is proving to be a point of contention.
The recent study shows 10 percent of SBC pastors hold to the TULIP theology.
90 percent are non-Calvinist (I am in this 90 Percent - I am anti-TULIP )
For me the TULIP theology or Calvinist theology is a false doctrine. It teaches in a none-theological way of stating it that God only saved a few out of the many and the other many can not be saved regardless.
I see it as a fatalistic doctrine that is not supported in Scripture. I also see them as cleverly twisting the meaning and context to suit their view. As, well, they, in my opinion, pervert the Holiness of God.
Here is what I consider to be the correct view to counter the teaching of the TULIP and Calvinism. See my successive post due length limitation of each post.
Have you considered becoming a Methodist? They reject Calvinism in favor of the Arminan approach.

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