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similarities with sikhism and islam (promoting peace)

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peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#1 Dec 13, 2008
We all are too quick to focus on the differences we have with each other that we forget about the similarities. Here I am going to talk about the similarities between Sikhism and islam. First I will discuss the issue which will contain my opinions and observations, then I will talk about actual facts.

You just have to look at a sikh and muslim to se the similarity in appearance. Im talking about the head covering and the beard. Both muslims and Sikhs wear head covering and keep beards which is an important part of there religion. In the modern day Sikhs are even sometimes mistaken for muslims and vice verser.

Sikhism formed in a location were Hinduism and islam were very dominant, so its not a surprise that Sikhism, islam and Hinduism have things in comman. Many muslims have contributed to the guru granth sahib which is the sikh holy book. All the text from the guru granth sahib is believed to be words inspired by god. The muslim bhagats who contributed to the guru granth sahib brought certain aspects of Islamic beliefs in to Sikhism (I will discuss those later). The muslim bhagats contributed more shabads in the guru granth sahib then 6-7 of the guru’s. Guru nanak also travelled to the middle east.
peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#2 Dec 13, 2008
Ok now to move the discussion along.

Sikhism has the concept of 5k’s which are very important to the sikh faith, islam has the concept of the 5 pillars.

Both Sikhism and islam believe in one supream god.

If you look at the mool mantar it described god,

‘There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate.’

Now compare this to the Islamic decription of god,

"He is the One and only GOD. "The Absolute true GOD. "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. "None equals Him." (surah 112)
Also other text from the guru granth sahib has shown similarities with islam.
"In times of trouble, God is remembered by all
But none remembers Him during peace and happiness.
If God is remembered in good times of happiness
Why should trouble occur?" (guru granth sahib)
Now compare this with islam,

"When some trouble toucheth man,
He crieth unto his Lord,
Turning to Him in repentance:
But when He bestoweth
A favour upon him
As from Himself,
(Man) doth forget what he cried
And prayed for before,
And he doth set up
Rivals unto Allah."
[Al-Qur’an 39:8]

Islam mentions the concept of god being on his throne,
‘and His Throne (god) was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct...’(surah 11:7)
Sikhism also has a simlar concept mentioned in the guru granth sahib,
The Lord Himself sits upon His Throne and administers justice. He beats and drives out the false-hearted.(guru granth sahib p89)

Islam has many names for god, many of those names are shared with Sikhism, one of them even includes ‘allah’

He is Allah, the Unknowable, the Inaccessible, All-powerful and Merciful Creator.(guru granth sahib p64)

Both Sikhism and islam strongly condem idol worshiping.

There are many other aspects of similarities that I could go into which need more time and detail to go into and understand. Apart from all those mentioned both religions believe in good conduct, treating everyone with respect, being kind hearted, doing good deeds.

I would like to finish by saying both religions are separate in their own rights, but instead of focusing on differences we should focus on the things we have in comman, this will lead to tolerance and peace.
peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#3 Dec 13, 2008
I just want to add if i have said somthing that seems offensive, before you get the choping block out please ask me to clarify anything you did not understand.

Since: Dec 08

Eastbourne, UK

#5 Dec 13, 2008
btw my comments on this thread aren't to argue with you, just to iron out anything wrong with what you say. so anyone who reads it doesnt end up believing the wrong thing. but since you got the ball rolling, i have to say this could be the start of a decent discussion on this forum.

Since: Dec 08

Eastbourne, UK

#6 Dec 13, 2008
http://www.realsikhism.com/faq/combination.ht...

^^^ an interesting site that could add to the discussion
peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#7 Dec 13, 2008
'you might as well say most people in either religion are brown too lol, but mere aesthetic similarities are silly as we are all human at the end of the day. as for the turbans, guru gobind said sikhs should keep their hair long. as the muslim rulers at the time banned non-muslims from wearing turbans, guru gobind told the sikhs to wear them as an act of defiance.'

That is why i started off my stating i am giving my own observations and opinions which may not be as strong as the points i gave in the 2nd post. i dont think comparing skin colour is as distinctive as the beard and turban, i mean lets face it people dont mistake a sikh for a jew,christian, hindu or budhist, people mistake sikhs for muslim and vice verser purely because of the head covering and the beard.

'such as? guru nanak often described the bad/superficial things about hinduism and islam didnt he? so i doubt he would have then gone onto preach those things he disagreed with.... more like sikhism was the reaction of an enlightened man to the influx of aggressive islam on a superstitious hindu society.'

such as read my previous posts, i could get in to similarities with hinduism aswell but i dont want to over complicate the issue. also what you talk about ar diferences but we are talking about the similarities here, i have never said there are no diferences.

'and he travelled to many other places as well. and i hope you know what he did when he got to mecca......'

yes i know the story of what he did when he got to mecca but what has that got to do with the similarities?
peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#8 Dec 13, 2008
Hari Singh wrote:
btw my comments on this thread aren't to argue with you, just to iron out anything wrong with what you say. so anyone who reads it doesnt end up believing the wrong thing. but since you got the ball rolling, i have to say this could be the start of a decent discussion on this forum.
yeah thats perfect, there is nothing wrong with healthy discussion.
muslim boy

UK

#9 Dec 13, 2008
First of all I would like to start off by saying that this is a Very good topic set up here..
Also to commend peace_lover and Hari singh on the constructive and positive convo here so far!..
Muslims and Sikhs have many many, way too many things in common.. I love my fellow Sikhs and have many Sikh friends and other relations..
May God to help us all focus on the many similarities and love & respect that we all have for each other..
I always say that it is the differences that makes thing so interesting & bring us all together.. If we were all the same, wouldn't it be so boring?!?
It is only the few that have hatred inside them.. And when most haters are faced with reality, they generally stop hating and stop looking at the petty differences.. This helps us all to look at the bigger picture,, that we are all human and have been blessed by the beautiful gift of life by the one lord..
Another topic posted in the Sikh forums shows togetherness and overcoming conflict esp between Muslims and Sikhs..
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/sikh/T28O...
Lets concentrate on what divides us instead of the lil differences that divide us all..

Great topic guys!
God-bless you..
muslim boy

UK

#10 Dec 13, 2008
last sentence should be..
'Lets concentrate on what UNITES us instead of the lil differences that divide us all..'(obviously)!
Harinder

India

#11 Dec 13, 2008
Yes we all agree that there is a similarity between all things.
Let me give simple examples

DNA/RNA is the fundamental building block GOD ( Allaha /Ram /Whaeguru) ue to build all life with.
Muslims dont have a different building block.

ALl matter is composed of electrons/protons/Quarks/Strin gs/Membranes etc. So not all only living things united but also thery are united with non living matter.

The question then is that inspite of a deep cosmic /divine unity we find reasons to hate and kill each other for what gains ?

Since: Dec 08

Eastbourne, UK

#12 Dec 14, 2008
Harinder wrote:
Yes we all agree that there is a similarity between all things.
Let me give simple examples
DNA/RNA is the fundamental building block GOD ( Allaha /Ram /Whaeguru) ue to build all life with.
Muslims dont have a different building block.
ALl matter is composed of electrons/protons/Quarks/Strin gs/Membranes etc. So not all only living things united but also thery are united with non living matter.
The question then is that inspite of a deep cosmic /divine unity we find reasons to hate and kill each other for what gains ?
lol, 10 points for finding the greatest similarity so far!!!!

Since: Dec 08

Eastbourne, UK

#13 Dec 14, 2008
peace_lover wrote:
'you might as well say most people in either religion are brown too lol, but mere aesthetic similarities are silly as we are all human at the end of the day. as for the turbans, guru gobind said sikhs should keep their hair long. as the muslim rulers at the time banned non-muslims from wearing turbans, guru gobind told the sikhs to wear them as an act of defiance.'
That is why i started off my stating i am giving my own observations and opinions which may not be as strong as the points i gave in the 2nd post. i dont think comparing skin colour is as distinctive as the beard and turban, i mean lets face it people dont mistake a sikh for a jew,christian, hindu or budhist, people mistake sikhs for muslim and vice verser purely because of the head covering and the beard.
'such as? guru nanak often described the bad/superficial things about hinduism and islam didnt he? so i doubt he would have then gone onto preach those things he disagreed with.... more like sikhism was the reaction of an enlightened man to the influx of aggressive islam on a superstitious hindu society.'
such as read my previous posts, i could get in to similarities with hinduism aswell but i dont want to over complicate the issue. also what you talk about ar diferences but we are talking about the similarities here, i have never said there are no diferences.
'and he travelled to many other places as well. and i hope you know what he did when he got to mecca......'
yes i know the story of what he did when he got to mecca but what has that got to do with the similarities?
its not similarities that promote peace. if we fully understand our histories and religion, as well as taking note of the differences, we will find it easier to respect one anothers beliefs and wont use misconceptions to attack one another
peace_lover

Birmingham, UK

#14 Dec 14, 2008
Hari Singh wrote:
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its not similarities that promote peace. if we fully understand our histories and religion, as well as taking note of the differences, we will find it easier to respect one anothers beliefs and wont use misconceptions to attack one another
similarities alone will not promote peace but it will definatly help, expecially when most of the hate is coming from people who attack our diferences. also what you said about learning about religion etc will also increase tolerence hence promote peace.

misconceptions when done intentionaly and in an abusive tone only spreads hatered and by discussing things peacefully we can overcome this, then we can all get along just fine.
Amar

Liverpool, UK

#15 Dec 14, 2008
Watch How indian Hindu, Sikhs,mash up these poor Muslims while the great Indian Police do nothing, just as they did in mombay,
http://theunjustmedia.com/clips/other/Dec08/h...
PEace

Central District, Hong Kong

#16 Jan 1, 2009
I hope the above line will encourage you to question your own faith.... where is your faith origin..... your religion came to existence only few hundred years ago.... is it in anyways connected to the people that came before if it is then please present some prove from history..... also Sikh brothers claim that Guru Nanak went to Makkah and the Kabbah was moving in the direction where his feet directed it.... if such big Miracle happened in Saudi Arabia in Makkah then how come we do not even find a single piece of evidence of such event noted in History of Arabs and how come this event never encouraged the Arabs to convert from the you so called evil Islam.. you must also know Guru Nanak may god be please with him has a companion who was a muslim too and he went to Makkad with him.... my point is when Muhammed one man came to Saudi he spread Islam to every corner of the world.......
PEace

Central District, Hong Kong

#17 Jan 1, 2009
Hari Singh wrote:
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its not similarities that promote peace. if we fully understand our histories and religion, as well as taking note of the differences, we will find it easier to respect one anothers beliefs and wont use misconceptions to attack one another
what he did in mecca

Our religion Islam is initiated from Prophet Adam the first Human.... and completed with Prophet Muhammed when all messages was revealed to mankind....

.... where is your faith origin..... your religion came to existence only few hundred years ago.... is it in anyways connected to the people that came before its existence or if it is, then please present some prove from history..... also Sikh brothers claim that Guru Nanak went to Makkah and the Kabbah was moving in the direction where his feet directed it.... if such big Miracle happened in Saudi Arabia in Makkah then how come we do not even find a single piece of evidence of such event noted in History of Arabs and how come this event never encouraged the Arabs to convert....... how come Guru Nanak never succeeded spreading his message to the middle east... if he never tried then is Sikhism a universal religion or just a religion for Punjabi ...... you must also know Guru Nanak has a companion who was a Muslim too and he went to Makka with him.... my point is when our Prophet Muhammad came to Saudi he converted the Saudi and spread Islam to every corner of the world how come Guru Nanak failed to deliver his message and spread his religion.......

Since: Dec 08

Eastbourne, UK

#18 Jan 1, 2009
PEace wrote:
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what he did in mecca
Our religion Islam is initiated from Prophet Adam the first Human.... and completed with Prophet Muhammed when all messages was revealed to mankind....
.... where is your faith origin..... your religion came to existence only few hundred years ago.... is it in anyways connected to the people that came before its existence or if it is, then please present some prove from history..... also Sikh brothers claim that Guru Nanak went to Makkah and the Kabbah was moving in the direction where his feet directed it.... if such big Miracle happened in Saudi Arabia in Makkah then how come we do not even find a single piece of evidence of such event noted in History of Arabs and how come this event never encouraged the Arabs to convert....... how come Guru Nanak never succeeded spreading his message to the middle east... if he never tried then is Sikhism a universal religion or just a religion for Punjabi ...... you must also know Guru Nanak has a companion who was a Muslim too and he went to Makka with him.... my point is when our Prophet Muhammad came to Saudi he converted the Saudi and spread Islam to every corner of the world how come Guru Nanak failed to deliver his message and spread his religion.......
sikhism isnt about converting others to make ourselves feel good and secure in our beliefs.
Harinder

Nahan, India

#19 Jan 1, 2009
Sikhism has no begining or end.
It was always there and and shall always be their for it is beyond time viz " AKAL TAKTH" .
Is is some thing similar to the current scientific theory the "BLOCK THEORY " of time .
It came to manifest in 1469 to the citizens of this planet earth.
Guru Nanak devji Him self talks of many universes where the SIKHS resided before landing on earth.
As for followers ; SIKHS see the light of GOD in all his creations.
Method of worship of GOD is not the point SIKHS differentiate one human form other
Poster

London, UK

#20 Jan 1, 2009
peace_lover wrote:
You are talking rubbish here.

Many muslims did not contribute to SGGSJ

Only 2 chisti Sufi's contributed AND they did not bring islamic believes into Gursikhee.

They only contributed a few hymns.
Poster

London, UK

#21 Jan 1, 2009
peace_lover wrote:
Your views of GOD is very similar to Judaism as thats where islam and christianity orginates from.

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