Sikh Gurus loved to hunt!

Sikh Gurus loved to hunt!

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Harry

Cramlington, UK

#1 Apr 8, 2010
It is recorded in history that many Gurus used to hunt and enjoyed it too! They used to hunt animals such as tigers and other wild animals, which I am presuming they did not hunt for food as I can't imagine that tiger would have been a normal item on the menu of these Gurus.

"Under the ablest guidance and leadership of Guru Gobind Singh, the Sikhs started hunting Tigers and other wild animals in the jungels [sic] around Anandpur Sahib by learning the use of all sorts of weapons including the latest weapens [sic]."
Source: http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/index.php...

Guru Gobind Singh was invited by Raja Medini Prakash, ruler from 1684 to 1704 of Sirmur, a state situated along the river Yamuna in the Kayarda Dun valley of the Sivalik hills, in April 1685 to spend some time with him at Nahan, which "had abundant game should the Guru wish to hunt". The Guru readily accepted the invitation and travelled to Nahan and "remained in the Nahan territory for about three years and had a fort built at Paonta. Today the city is known as Paonta Sahib". "He enjoyed hunting in the surrounding thick forests where the opportunites [sic] were enormous". The Guru wrote,'I enjoyed myself on the banks of Yamuna and saw amusements of different kinds.'"
Source: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Raja_Medin...

The 10 Gurus were regarded as more than mere humans and they were looked at as paragons of virtue, examples to be emulated by the Sikh followers, how could they be involved in an act that is so cruel as hunting for leisure or for honing martial skills? Surely this goes against the idea of mercy espoused by the Sikh faith? A simple analogy would be the police force. We expect the police more than most to uphold the spirit of the law, but if we see the police habitually disregarding the rules of the road for example, what effect do you think that would have on the rest of us? Wouldn’t we say “if the police can do it so can we” and anarchy on the roads would prevail?

“Several Gurus loved to hunt, as did their followers. Hunting is great practise for warfare, using all of its skills.[..] Since the lion and the tiger are known as the most cunning and ferocious of beasts, one even being called the 'King of the Jungle', they have often been hunted as a test of one's courage.”
“Wearing their [lions and tigers] pelt or a necklace of their teeth or claws, were coveted as symbols of strength. The tiger, also said to be the beast downed by Guru Hargobind, has been hunted almost to extintion in India. Its bones are worth more than gold in China where wine fortified with tiger bone is thought to restore youthful virility.”
Source for both quotes above: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Lions,_hun...

Could the fact that the Indian tiger has almost been hunted to extinction could be as a result of the example set by the Gurus and then practised by their followers?

The author from the quote above does not mention from which sources they obtained the information, but I am pretty sure they didn’t pluck the ideas out of thin air. There is also a nice picture at the link showing a Sikh soldier/Guru (?) killing a lion.
Khalsa BC

Surrey, Canada

#2 Apr 8, 2010
Tough question harry... Any gursikhs hear wanna take this one?
sdakvo

Highland Park, NJ

#3 Apr 8, 2010
If u make a house and there is a tiger or lion in the back garden whoose gonna kill ur children when the come out to play- are u gonna sit by or are u gonna chase them out of the area or kill them if thats not possible???
So might as well hunt and train ur men as well? right?
Its really a no brainer guys!

Also tigers were hunted long before the Gurus did-
There extinction would be all of mankinds sin.

So mohammed wed a 9yr old- and took his sons or whatever wife as his sex slave-
I guess we blame all pedophiles on him .
Hell-o

Belrose, Australia

#4 Apr 9, 2010
correction, hunting amongst the sikh gurus actually was already a favourite pastime since guru arjan dev (the 5th guru).
they didnt just hunt dangerous animals.

It has been documented that they hunted wild boars as well as deer.(harmless animals)
they also had well trained hawks to catch other flying game.

most of the gurus after nanak were just interested in political growth as well as justice.

there is an element of truth that most sikhs are in denial of, that the gurus were just as politically motivated as any other govenor at that time.

read sikh history, the sikhs had developed a state within a state.

truth hurts - dont flinch my sikh brothers.
sdakvo

Highland Park, NJ

#5 Apr 9, 2010
u are in no position to judge all the gurus-
Guru Nanak himself had described the gurus that would come after him all the way to Guru Gobind singh.

And just to let u know- wild boars are not harmless- try going up against one- u will find u are on its menu!
It is a very dangerous animal!

Why dont u look at Lord Krishna- and his material wealth??? He was not only enligtend but a king in the material world!

Look at Mohammed- All his waring and taking of sex slaves- whether he was enligtend I just dont know---- for those kind of actions.
But then again the koran was not written by his own hand- so I wonder how much is not authentic.
Hell-o

Belrose, Australia

#6 Apr 9, 2010
Please provide references to where Nanak described the gurus that would come after him all the way to Gobind Singh.
I think it would be an interesting read.
come on

Hyderabad, India

#7 Apr 9, 2010
only 6th GURU and 10th GURU hunted occasionally and it is recorded well

but nowhere it is mentioned they indulged in hunting for the sake of pleasure

6th GURU is recorded as saving the life of Emperor Jehangir once by killing a lion and that is the picture mentioned in this sikh baiter's post

these 2 GURUS had to fight battles with Mughal authorities imperial as well as at local levels

may be hunting occasionally was to infuse the fighting spirit in their followers who earlier wud run away from killing
u dont win battles by dying for ur cause
you win it by killing your enemy who fights against you
see hunting in this larger picture; it may help understand

NO COMMENTS what other religious leaders did regarding killing their percieved foes
Hell-o

Belrose, Australia

#8 Apr 9, 2010
After reading and studying the history of ALL the sikh gurus, its easy to see that they were concerened about ethical behaviour, respect for others regardless of background, and a fair and just governing system - together with the love of the creator as expressed through their poetry.

They also educated, by way of example, their followers to unload superstitions, rituals, meaningless religious symbols, and identities that divide humanity.

All the above positive teachings they gave doesnt take away the fact that they also desired some sort of political aspirations ie.'a state within a state' within the mughal empire.
It was abvious, they mistrusted and disliked the mughal system, and therefore wanted political freedom as well as religious freedom.

The fifth guru DID hunt, read the history - and they did hunt deer - the tenth guru even killed 5 goats when he initiated the panj pyare.

deer and goats - harmless creatures. Wild boars - only dangerous if you attack them, not if you leave them alone.

What about the well trained hawks? trained for what...not to pick fruit off trees, but to hunt and kill or capture other animals - HUNTING WAS A FAVOURITE PASTIME OF MOST GURUS - get over it.

Its ok, they wont have bad karma on their souls, the AGGS teaches that karma and reicarnation are false teachings anyway.

read the following articles which has references to the AGGS.

http://www.sikhspectrum.com/102008/gurmat.pdf
sdakvo

Highland Park, NJ

#9 Apr 9, 2010
Might I also add that great hindu sages and saints have meditated on deer skin and other animals- using it as mats-
So let s not make a big deal out of something that is irrelevant.
As for the reference u asked for-
I will give it when I get it- It has been in my readings of sikh scriptures-
it was a conversation Guru Nanak had in Mecca or baghdad cant remember-
look for it u will find it.
Guru NAnak describes all the way to his 10th form as a warrior saint.
come on

Hyderabad, India

#10 Apr 9, 2010
Hell
wherefore did u read 5th GURU hunted

10th GURU never killed 5 goats in the enclosures where 5 beloveds were first initiated

Nobody saw what happened inside

It is the miracle of Guru that these five came out alive from the enclosure from where HE wud emergen with sword dripping with blood asking for sacrifices from his Sikh congregation
rajdeep singh

Indore, India

#11 Sep 20, 2012
Khalsa BC wrote:
Tough question harry... Any gursikhs hear wanna take this one?
no none of our sikh guru hunted lion or tiger to show their courage
we needed not to make a showoff of our strength or power
they killed only those lion or tiger who had attacked on our guru"s in the jungle
plzz dont spread the roumers against sikh religion
because we know all other religions and espeacially hindu religion are most jealous of sikhs and their caliber

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Bakhat bakhat nuAkalTakht

Australia

#12 Sep 20, 2012
Harry wrote:
It is recorded in history that many Gurus used to hunt and enjoyed it too! They used to hunt animals such as tigers and other wild animals, which I am presuming they did not hunt for food as I can't imagine that tiger would have been a normal item on the menu of these Gurus.
"Under the ablest guidance and leadership of Guru Gobind Singh, the Sikhs started hunting Tigers and other wild animals in the jungels [sic] around Anandpur Sahib by learning the use of all sorts of weapons including the latest weapens [sic]."
Source: http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/index.php...
Guru Gobind Singh was invited by Raja Medini Prakash, ruler from 1684 to 1704 of Sirmur, a state situated along the river Yamuna in the Kayarda Dun valley of the Sivalik hills, in April 1685 to spend some time with him at Nahan, which "had abundant game should the Guru wish to hunt". The Guru readily accepted the invitation and travelled to Nahan and "remained in the Nahan territory for about three years and had a fort built at Paonta. Today the city is known as Paonta Sahib". "He enjoyed hunting in the surrounding thick forests where the opportunites [sic] were enormous". The Guru wrote,'I enjoyed myself on the banks of Yamuna and saw amusements of different kinds.'"
Source: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Raja_Medin...
The 10 Gurus were regarded as more than mere humans and they were looked at as paragons of virtue, examples to be emulated by the Sikh followers, how could they be involved in an act that is so cruel as hunting for leisure or for honing martial skills? Surely this goes against the idea of mercy espoused by the Sikh faith? A simple analogy would be the police force. We expect the police more than most to uphold the spirit of the law, but if we see the police habitually disregarding the rules of the road for example, what effect do you think that would have on the rest of us? Wouldn’t we say “if the police can do it so can we” and anarchy on the roads would prevail?
“Several Gurus loved to hunt, as did their followers. Hunting is great practise for warfare, using all of its skills.[..] Since the lion and the tiger are known as the most cunning and ferocious of beasts, one even being called the 'King of the Jungle', they have often been hunted as a test of one's courage.”
“Wearing their [lions and tigers] pelt or a necklace of their teeth or claws, were coveted as symbols of strength. The tiger, also said to be the beast downed by Guru Hargobind, has been hunted almost to extintion in India. Its bones are worth more than gold in China where wine fortified with tiger bone is thought to restore youthful virility.”
Source for both quotes above: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Lions,_hun...
Could the fact that the Indian tiger has almost been hunted to extinction could be as a result of the example set by the Gurus and then practised by their followers?
The author from the quote above does not mention from which sources they obtained the information, but I am pretty sure they didn’t pluck the ideas out of thin air. There is also a nice picture at the link showing a Sikh soldier/Guru (?) killing a lion.
Sikh religion is biggest joke amongst all religions on this planet.because those idiotic low iq gurus wrote all garbage.
Zuber Singh

Seminyak, Indonesia

#14 Sep 20, 2012
Bakhat bakhat nuAkalTakht wrote:
<quoted text>
Sikh religion is biggest joke amongst all religions on this planet.because those idiotic low iq gurus wrote all garbage.
How true! Democracy, equality, women's rights, enlightenment, compassion, mercy, standing up to tyranny, defending the defenseless, dignity for human beings, respect, love for humanity, humility, destruction of ego, caring for nature, physical fitness, hard work, mediation, sharing, tolerance: this is some of the garbage that those Gurus taught those terrible Sikhs!

We should discard all of these! Lets murder and rape each other till the end of time! Yay violence!
Pak Jatt Soorma

Saint Leonards, Australia

#16 Sep 20, 2012
Zuber Singh wrote:
<quoted text>How true! Democracy, equality, women's rights, enlightenment, compassion, mercy, standing up to tyranny, defending the defenseless, dignity for human beings, respect, love for humanity, humility, destruction of ego, caring for nature, physical fitness, hard work, mediation, sharing, tolerance: this is some of the garbage that those Gurus taught those terrible Sikhs!

We should discard all of these! Lets murder and rape each other till the end of time! Yay violence!
violence zindabad ( lol jks )
Zuber Singh

Seminyak, Indonesia

#17 Sep 20, 2012
Pak Jatt Soorma wrote:
<quoted text>
violence zindabad ( lol jks )
hahahaha, I just love desis with a good sense of humor :D So hard to come by on these forums
Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#18 Sep 21, 2012
Bakhat bakhat nuAkalTakht wrote:
<quoted text>
Sikh religion is biggest joke amongst all religions on this planet.because those idiotic low iq gurus wrote all garbage.
I think ur THE biggest joke God has ever created, BUT seeing as I know that God has a purpose for things he does, I'm not gonna say anything but remind u that ur a moorakh, it's sounds like u've forgotten
Ahmed

Milton, Canada

#19 Jun 17, 2017
Allah has challenged you. You are free to use microsoft excel. Produce a similar Quran,( www.amazing19.com ). The challenge begins from today, you are free to use any technology as per Allah says "Or do they say, "
"He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful."
If you do not produce it, this means that the Quran works faster than a computer, and that all of paper on and ink on earth will also fail, as Allah says
"And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."
Isra
Ahmed

Milton, Canada

#20 Jun 17, 2017
The Quran challenges whole of mankind to produce a chapter like it,
Allah says “
“And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah, but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.”
if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah if you should be truthful.
The challenge is of following: Produce a chapter or anything which is a numerical miracle, which can not be beaten by a modern computer (unlimited tries, the whole of mankind, technology is to help). The verse number of words, the verse number of letters, the numerical value, and the total numerical,value all divide by 19. No book can do it. Second, is to speak way beforle science, like the Quran does about Embryology and how it resembles a leech, the function of mountains, the lowest point on earth (dead sea), the fertizling winds, and water cycle, with no error or anything contradicting. Third, is to produce a linguistic, using Arabic rhetorical devices which is by it's high superiority.
Ahmed

Milton, Canada

#21 Jun 17, 2017
If your religion is true, Allah himself challenges you.
"if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah if you should be truthful.

But if you do not - and you will never be able to -then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers."

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