History of the Great Gurjar Clan

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HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#2 Jan 28, 2008
--Ethnic makeup--

Gujjars are possibly the partial descendents of any number of Eurasian, peoples, including the Scythians, Georgians, and Khazars of the Caspian Sea, who took part in the Scythian invasions of South Asia from the 5th century BCE to the 1st century CE or some other Turko-Iranian tribes that merged with local Indo-Aryan-speaking groups, mainly settling in the Gujarat, Punjab, and Kashmir regions. These sun-worshipping and Buddhist, tribes ruled kingdoms covering much of present-day Afghanistan, Punjab NWFP, Jammu, and Kashmir, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana,Madhya Pradesh, Maharastra Karnataka, Andra Pradesh and Orissa.

The Gujjars of today are mainly a combination of local South Asian peoples who have absorbed Central Asian elements over time. Many Gujjars are well represented in agriculture, the urban professions, civil service and officer class. They are now settled on large tracts of lands in India and Pakistan. They are known as very good farmers.

The majority of the Gujjars are found in what is today Pakistan - numbering 33 million, while India has the second largest Gujjar population - numbering 30 million. The Gujjars are characterized by their strong and large build. The majority of Gujjars today are Muslim , although there is also a significant Hindu and Sikh population of Gujjars who go with the title of Choudhary, Kasana, Bhadana, Patel. Gujars are sizeable in number in the disputed state of Kashmir, and can also be found as minorities in Afghanistan and Iran They speak their mother tongues of Gujarati in India/Sindh(Pakistan) and Gujari/Gojri elsewhere in Pakistan - regardless of their religion or region. The Gurjars of Kashmir, Rajsthan, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, and even Pakistan speak the same language,'Gujari/Gojri', which is very similar to Marwari or Rajasthani, and Gujarati, of course.

--Georgian origin--

Dr. Huthi of Georgia paid a visit to India in 1967 and studied the Gujars living in northern India. He has stated that there are Georgian tribes among the Indian Gujars, because their accent, their dress, and their bullock carts resemble those of Georgians. Oral traditions of the tribe and some archaeological evidence (particularly cultural and phonetic) suggest that the word Gujar is a derivation of Gurjara and sounds like "Gurjiya/Georgia " (Gurjiya or Gurjistan being the Persian name for Georgia)- indicating that the Gujar tribe is partially of Caucasian/Central Asian origin (Georgia-Chechnya etc). Dr. Huthi is of the view that they came to India when Timur held a reign of terror over them, and consequently they settled here. They came here to protect their lives and religion, and called themselves by the Persian word for "Georgian", "Gurjis". Later this word was presumably changed into "Gurjar" or "Gujjar" or "Gujur"(particularly in Afghanistan)
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#3 Jan 28, 2008
Caste

It appears that the Gujjar population was absorbed into the Hindu society and they belonged to the Varna of their profession. Dr Dashrath Sharma (Rajsthan Through the Ages, pp 105) ascribes the origin of the Solankis, Parmars, the Guhil/Gohils and the Chauhan (Rajput clans) to the Brahmins. However, we know from the works of other scholors that the Solanki and Parmar were actually descendants of the Gujjars who came to India from pre-Islamic Persia in large numbers. However, it is interesting to note that in Rajasthan there is a caste called Gurjar Brahmana which is considered a very high caste of Brahmins
Timeline - Northern Indus Valley

Persians (600 BC)- Greeks (326 BC)- Mauryan Indians (323 BC)- Local Greeks (180 BC)- Parthians (90 BC)- Kushans (30 AD)- Sassanians (300 AD)- White Huns (455 AD)- Sassanian/Western GokTurk Alliance (565 AD)- Turki Shahi (600 AD)- Arab caliphates up to Multan (713 AD)- Hindu Shahi (870 AD)- Ghaznavids (1000 AD)- Ghorids (1192 AD).
Subcastes

There are currently about 900 subcastes or subtribes within the Gurjars. The more well-known of them are:

* Ajar / Bakarwal
* Awan
* Bajjar
* Bainsla
* Bhumbla
* Chad
* Chauhan
* Choudhary
* Chechi
* Gorsi ( Gor/Gori is a Middle-Persian word for mountain/mountainous region, not white woman!)
* Jagal
* Kalas
* Khari
* Kapasi
* Kasana
* Khatana
* Khokhar (Gujar/Jat/Rajput)
* Lodha
* Maisi
* Meelu
* Daidharh
* Munan
* Nāgar
* Parmar
* Poswal
* Solanki
* Theckari,
* Many are also honoured with the title "Patel", "Chaudhary/Chowdhury ", "Malik", "Patil", "Thakur/Thakore"
* Many of these clans are also cross-listed as Rajput, Jat, and Khatri, especially Sodhi, Sial, Kashyap, Kakkar (Khakkar/Ghakkar), Rai, and Walia. Of course, Singh is a warrior-chieftain title common to Rajput, Jat, and Gujar tribes (all three being Kshatriya subgroups). It is not entirely clear in the case of many clans and surnames exactly which subdivision of Kshatriya they belong to. For much of Indian history, Rajput and Kshatriya have been synonymous, and later, Rajput came to denote only those Kshatriyas belonging to certain clans descended from rulers, therefore Rajputra (or sons of kings). Eventually, Scythian, Parthian Greek, and various other Central Asian tribal peoples (such as the Ephthalite or 'White' Huns and the Tokharis or Yueh-Chi) were absorbed into the Kshatriya caste, given their warlike nature, and thus became one of the subgroups or in many cases, assimilated completely into older Indo-Aryan clans. It is probable that Khatris, Rajputs, Jats, and Gujars, along with other Kshatriya subgroups, have varying degrees of both foreign and indigenous Indian stock. In many parts, it is largely due to familial tradition that some members of a certain clan dub themselves Rajput and others of the same clan, Jat, Gujar, or even Khatri. This is more so in the Punjab, where there was already a large indigenous Kshatriya population when the invading tribes arrived.
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#4 Jan 28, 2008
--Famous Gujjars in history--

* Choudhary Rahmat Ali (who suggested the word "Pakistan" for a Muslim nation in northwest British India)
* Major Tufail Muhammad Shaheed (Nishan-e-Haider, Highest Military Award in Pakistan awarded to him in 1958)
* Chaudhry Muhammad Ali (Former Prime minister of Pakistan who framed Pakistan's first constitution)
* Mian Muhammad Baksh (Famous Punjabi poet)
* Choudhary Ameer Hussain (Currently, Speaker of National Assembly of Pakistan)
* Late Sh. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel (A freedom fighter and leader of India)
* Late Sh. Rajesh Pilot (Ex political leader in India)
* Sh Ram Chandra Vikal (First Gurjar Leader of India /M.P./M.L.A./Deputy Chief Minister U.P.)
* Sajjad Haider Karim - First Pakistani origin Member of the European Parliament [www.sajjadkarim.org.uk]
* Ch. Fazal Elahi Gujjar: former president of Pakistan
singh

Boca Raton, FL

#6 Jan 28, 2008
Well I`ve been to georgia Guju- and let me tell there is nothing similar between a guju and a georgian!!!!
How ever there is alot in common between a Punjabi and Georgians, such as food,culture,way of thinking, skills with a knife, battle history etc etc.. and so on.
Belive me Guju- ur nothing like georgians- you could not stand eye to eye with them- just like a Guju cant stand eye to eye with a sikh.
Ps. the georgians wore turbans in the old days- and had beards- EXACTLY the way sikhs do- infact if you see one of their photos- u`ll think its a sikh with a turban beard and knife!!!
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#7 Jan 28, 2008
singh wrote:
Well I`ve been to georgia Guju- and let me tell there is nothing similar between a guju and a georgian!!!!
How ever there is alot in common between a Punjabi and Georgians, such as food,culture,way of thinking, skills with a knife, battle history etc etc.. and so on.
Belive me Guju- ur nothing like georgians- you could not stand eye to eye with them- just like a Guju cant stand eye to eye with a sikh.
Ps. the georgians wore turbans in the old days- and had beards- EXACTLY the way sikhs do- infact if you see one of their photos- u`ll think its a sikh with a turban beard and knife!!!
Way of thinking?? You mean driving cabs, trucks, owning gas stations.. etc etc? LOL!

THANK YOU COME AGAIN!
singh

Boca Raton, FL

#8 Jan 28, 2008
Go make ur chapati now- LOL
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#9 Jan 28, 2008
singh wrote:
Go make ur chapati now- LOL
sure, as soon as you have the daal and smelly curry ready.
singh

Boca Raton, FL

#10 Jan 28, 2008
I would have to buy it first from the kiosk u work in Gujju- even then- its really gujju food.
Get some meat into ur diet gujju- maybe then u can feel better about ur bad genes
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#11 Jan 28, 2008
singh wrote:
I would have to buy it first from the kiosk u work in Gujju- even then- its really gujju food.
Get some meat into ur diet gujju- maybe then u can feel better about ur bad genes
lol. is daal and curry ready yet?
singh

Boca Raton, FL

#12 Jan 28, 2008
no cause u havent sold it yet!its out of stock aparently cause all the gujus in the area have bought it!!-LOL
HinduExtremist

Effingham, IL

#13 Jan 28, 2008
singh wrote:
no cause u havent sold it yet!its out of stock aparently cause all the gujus in the area have bought it!!-LOL
gujus dont eat daal and curry..........

PURE OWNAGE!!!!
singh

Boca Raton, FL

#14 Jan 28, 2008
not really- they do because they are wanna be punjabis!They think that if they eat punjabi food they can be like punjabis!!!u cant change ur bad genes gujuu.
Big Daddy

Manama, Bahrain

#15 Feb 9, 2008
why rajputs in keep they women shit at homes for seven days??????????
and is it ture that sighs are allowed to have sex with they borths wife when his not around?????
ranvir singh chechi

Kampala, Uganda

#16 Mar 11, 2008
i want to know that i heard that sardar patel was hindu.is it true,if yes then why indian history dont show that thing.which could even rejuvenate,. our community
Rajputana

Englishtown, NJ

#17 Mar 11, 2008
gujjars were taught lesson by meenas recently in rajasthan....
Harji

Rancho Cordova, CA

#18 Mar 11, 2008
HinduExtremist wrote:
--Gujjars--
Gujjar (also Gujar, Gurjar, or Gurjara, the Sanskrit form found in some literature) is a member of a South Asian, ethnic group mainly located in eastern Pakistan, Kashmir, Gujarat, and northwestern India. Gurjars traditionally belonged to the Kshatriya, caste, and formerly ruled the Gurjara-Pratihara, Kingdom, which included much of northern India during the 8th and 9th centuries.
--History--
The presence of the Gujjars in India is first attested after the 5th-century invasion of India by the Hunas (Huns). Dadda, the founder of Pratihara dynasty, established a kingdom at Nandipur (Nandol) in the 7th century. Dadda III wrestled Broach from the ruling Maitraka dynasty of Gujarat. Like the other Rajput clans, the Gurjara-Pratiharas trace their origins to a lineage or race (vanshi), which they call the Great RaghuKul Vanshi, also called the Ram Chandra Vanshi. Some historians call them Suryavanshi, while some diffrentiate them as Agnivanshi.
--Later History--
With the decline of Buddhism in the 8th-10th centuries in parts of northwest India, and the rise of Brahmanism , Gurjars were mainly assimilated either into the Kshatriya, or brahmins, castes. The majority of Gujars fall into Kshatriya, evident from their sub-caste names of Chauhan and Kasana (kisan i.e.farmers). Gurjars in India also go with the surname Patel, most of them are resident of Gujarat. They, like in Pakistan, are farmers and land-owners similar to 'zamindar' and Choudhary, but in some quarters are viewed as from the more illiterate/backward castes. Rajputs are also actually Gujjars in essence . The Gurjars once ruled over a large area of Northern India under the name of the Gurjara-Pratihara kingdom. Muslim Arab conquests in the 8th century and the rise of Sufism, in the 11th century predominantly influenced many Gujjars to convert to Islam Islam rejects cast classifaction of humanbeings, and with the rise of Islam the Muslim Gujjars no longer adhered to the Kshatriya classifications, but retained their sub-clan names as a form of tribal recognition. Following the rise of Sikhism in the 16th century, many Hindu, tribes in eastern Punjab became converted to the Sikh faith. Place names such as Gujaranwala, Gujar Kot, Gujar Khan and Gujrat in Pakistan and the state of Gujarat in India were named after the Gurjars. It is believed the Gurjars of Gujarat (India) settled there sometime in the 5th/6th century.
Though not Guju, which shouldn't matter anyways, this was a nice history lesson.
Harji

Rancho Cordova, CA

#19 Mar 11, 2008
singh wrote:
Go make ur chapati now- LOL
lol, like this one haha
Ashok Harsana

India

#20 Mar 14, 2008
Rajputana wrote:
Can you tell me why Gujjars and Jats were not allowed to wear red turbans and why they were titled as 'gola/goli' and 'daroga/darogi'?
Also please clarify why in most areas of the subcontinent gujjars are considered low caste shudra?
Why were Gujjar women kept as concubines (khavaseen) by the Rajputs?
And lastly please inform us why Mukhtar Mai was raped by the Matsoi in Pakistan as her gujjar status was labeled as "low caste"...?
Yeah Mr Rajputana,

Do I need to traet you here as well. On Allempires which is the most authentic hsitory website, i knocked u out all ends up , I gave more than 10000 of proofs which said that Gujjars are the real forefathers of Rajputs . In fact rajputs were the illegitimate children of gujjars thats why they were called Rajputs(literaray emaning son of king) and not yuvraj, rajkumar or kings.

And Yes Gujjars always wore red turbans in Rajasthan.... and if u talk about current social standing than u also need to answer wy u made relations to moghals and sent ur women to them. And why u guys have Rajputs regiment while Gujjars lost their everything in 1857....????

Answer or be happy in ur fantasies...truth will be too hard for u to digest.....
Rajputana

Englishtown, NJ

#22 Mar 14, 2008
ashok harsana you have a beautiful location bhench0d....i love it!

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HENA?
nyc Kaur

Lindenhurst, NY

#23 Mar 14, 2008
uhh, do you guys like know each other? cause whatever u guys are arguing about is kinda random..........

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