Rajputs, Jaats and Sikhism - The rea...

Since: Jun 09

Broxburn, UK

#225 Mar 9, 2010
Rajesh Kumar wrote:
Sikhs are self praised race. their history is self praised and fabricated. For example, in war against hill king, Ranjit Singh took help from another hill king Raja of Bilaspur and Raja of Nepal both were Rajputs. So, in those times it was one kingdom and that kingdom was country. Even muslims living in that kingdom were given top post.
Sikhs killed hundred of hindus in Punjab, moga like cowards. But, when a lesson was given to them in 1984 they felt bad. they were distributing sweets after the death of Indira Gandhi. Sikhs must remember they are not even 1% and they are the one who kill female child the most. They are the one who marry their younger brother bride in order to give her quick UK, Canada, USA citizenship. Your gurudwaras are least respected. You are one who look at price of every items in malls but then return and buy from the shop of a sikh in canada.
You said women. Women of north India Kashmir, HP, Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana are good looking and not just who are sikhs. Correct your knowledge.
When Mughal came, they were not seen as muslims. Instead a new kingdom in the neighbourhood. So one king took their help and fought against another kingdom. Even in Muslims there are Rajputs, Jaats etc.
Come out of your half self written history. Our history says Guru Gobind Singh was a terrorist. But, we hindus do not believe so.
Read Rajneesh books, he called sikhs a joker and praised only Rajputs. Because Rajputs gave religion like Buddhism and Jainism to the world. I do not think Sikhs are that big hearted. Instead you will try to kill if anybody will think of bringing better things.
Shut you face rajesh putr, go and look at hindu history first then tell me what is fabricated, look at your fake mythological stories about hanuman eating the sun and bhimsen throwing elephanst into space. If you dont know about operation blue star then shut your stupid face, sikhs killed indira ghandi because she ordered an attack on the golden temple, it was bastard politicians like her that caused punjab to be further divided and why so called hindu punjabis put hindi as their first language leading to the creation of haryana and himachal pardesh. Where was your bravery when muslims were carrying off your sisters and daughters to be sold in ghazni for a dime? I respect Rajputs since i am partly of Rajput ancestry, but what Rajputs kings like Mann Singh did in order to get the upper hand on their rivals was wrong, marrying your daugthers to moghuls to gains military strength. It was bastard ghandi that said that Guru Gobind Singh was a terrorist, he forgets what Guru Maharaj did for hindus of north india, in a time when the mughals spat at you and aurangzeb was forcefully converting you, the kashmiri pundits (whose descendants were those same ungrateful bastards like nerhu) went to Guru Tegh Bahadur to ask for help. Remember putr, you are hindu today because of sikhs, deny it all you want it will not change.

Since: Jun 09

Broxburn, UK

#226 Mar 9, 2010
Rajesh Kumar wrote:
Come out of your half self written history. Our history says Guru Gobind Singh was a terrorist. But, we hindus do not believe so.
Read Rajneesh books, he called sikhs a joker and praised only Rajputs. Because Rajputs gave religion like Buddhism and Jainism to the world. I do not think Sikhs are that big hearted. Instead you will try to kill if anybody will think of bringing better things.
HAHAHAHA, you hindus are the ones that destroyed buddhism in india, your bhamans helped to wipe out buddhism and what they coudlnt finish the muslims did. Go and read about pushamitra sunga, the persecuter of buddhist. Go and read some history hindu bou instead of RSS infuelnced bullshit. Remember you are hindu today because of us, otherwise you would be going on hajj with ada kataua lula LOL.
jatt

Surrey, Canada

#227 Mar 9, 2010
Rajesh Kumar wrote:
Sikhs are self praised race. their history is self praised and fabricated. For example, in war against hill king, Ranjit Singh took help from another hill king Raja of Bilaspur and Raja of Nepal both were Rajputs. So, in those times it was one kingdom and that kingdom was country. Even muslims living in that kingdom were given top post.
Sikhs killed hundred of hindus in Punjab, moga like cowards. But, when a lesson was given to them in 1984 they felt bad. they were distributing sweets after the death of Indira Gandhi. Sikhs must remember they are not even 1% and they are the one who kill female child the most. They are the one who marry their younger brother bride in order to give her quick UK, Canada, USA citizenship. Your gurudwaras are least respected. You are one who look at price of every items in malls but then return and buy from the shop of a sikh in canada.
You said women. Women of north India Kashmir, HP, Rajasthan, Punjab, Haryana are good looking and not just who are sikhs. Correct your knowledge.
When Mughal came, they were not seen as muslims. Instead a new kingdom in the neighbourhood. So one king took their help and fought against another kingdom. Even in Muslims there are Rajputs, Jaats etc.
Come out of your half self written history. Our history says Guru Gobind Singh was a terrorist. But, we hindus do not believe so.
Read Rajneesh books, he called sikhs a joker and praised only Rajputs. Because Rajputs gave religion like Buddhism and Jainism to the world. I do not think Sikhs are that big hearted. Instead you will try to kill if anybody will think of bringing better things.
all indian communities including the rajpoot community have come to an understanding that it is in everybody's best interest to respect each other. i suggest u to read a few of the threads from beginning to end without replying to any posting by anybody in there, and u should understand why. and this decision is in the best interest of india and us all. i advise u do not respond to the postings therein
1. sikh rajputs
2. history of the great gujar clan
3. history of tyagi(taga)pandits
4. Sikhs v. Rajputs: War Medal Count
go thoroughly through above threads and do not comment and u will understand if u got any brains as to why ur such comments are not required here
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#229 Apr 21, 2010
Genealogical Evidence
Chapter 4
Scythic Origin of the Rajput Race
by
Mulchand Chauhan

The Jats, Gujjars, Thakurs and all others as Saka Rajputs

The most damning evidence proving that the Rajputs are Saka comes from the genealogy of the Rajputs themselves. However, first a few notes about the Rajput Race. The Jats are in fact, Rajputs, as are Thakurs and Gujjars. There are no racial differences between these stocks, all are descendants of Saka immigrants; the differences are purely social and customary, reflecting partly the degree of pollution by Indo-Aryan customs.

Thus, the noted anthropologist Sir Denzil Ibbetson wrote : "It has been suggested, and I believe held by many, that Jats and Gujjars and perhaps Ahirs also, are all of one ethnic stock." [ Ibb.185 ] This ethnic stock is the Scythic ethnic stock.

The overwhelming majority of the population of Rajputana and Gujarat is of Scythic origin, and even a sizeable proportion of Punjab is too. Jats and Rajputs alone form approximately 28 % of Punjab population.[ Ibb.97 ]. Tod holds that Jats are one of the great Rajput tribes, and that both are Getae [ Ibb.97 citing Tod.I.52-75 and 96-101 ] The Jat Rajput ratio is 3:1 in Punjab [ Ibb.102 ] Adding the other Scythic races to the Rajput total yields well over 50 % of the population of Rajputana and Gujarat as Saka. Sakas no doubt dominated in the Punjab and parts of the Ganges valley as well, but they have here been more or less overwhelmed in the flood of Mughalloid (Indo-Muslim) immigration.

The Thakur and Rathi are "lower grade of Rajputs rather than separate castes." [ Ibb.132 ] and the Rawat is also Rajput [ Ibb.161 ] Adding these to the Rajut total greatly increases the number of Rajputs.

The distinction between Jat and Rajput is "social and not ethnic" [ Ibb.100 ] "the same tribe even is Rajput in 1 district and Jat in another." [ Ibb.102 ]. Indeed, noted anthropologist Sir Denzil Ibbetson writes,

"The distinction between Jat and Rajput is so indefinite and so variable that it can be hardly called a mistake to class a tribe as Jat in 1 place and Rajput in another."
Raja

Maidstone, UK

#230 Apr 21, 2010
well if you look at history many rajpoots who were defeated in wars and lost kingdoms had to change profession some became goldsmiths some became zameendars Jatts some accepted islam and as we know Moghal king akbar forbade muslim rajputs from using "rajput" title instead he gave them title of Mirza and Choudhry.
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#231 Apr 21, 2010
There is mention of Jat people in Deva Samhitā[4] in the form of powerful rulers over vast plains of Central Asia. When Pārvatī asks Shiva about the origin of Jat people, their antiquity and characters of Jat people, Shiva tells her like this in Sanskrit shloka-15 as under:

मह&#23 66;बल& #2366; मह&#23 66;वी& #2352;्य ा, मह&#23 66;सत& #2381;य पर&#23 66;क्& #2352;मा ः Mahābalā mahāvīry ā, Mahāsatya parākramā ḥ

सर&#23 81;वा& #2327;्र े क्&#23 59;त्& #2352;िय ा जट&#23 81;‌ट& #2366; दे&#23 57;कल& #2381;‍प ा दृ&#23 38;़-व ्र&#23 40;ा: Sarvāgre kshatriyā jattā Devakalpā dridh-vratā&#7717 ; || 15 ||

Meaning - "They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriyā, the Jat people are the prime rulers of the earth."
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#232 Apr 21, 2010
Shiva explains Parvati about the origin of Jat people in Shloka –16 of Deva samhita as under:

श्&#23 52;ृष& #2381;टे रा&#23 42;ौ मह&#23 66;मा& #2351;े वी&#23 52; भद&#23 81;रस& #2381;य शक&#23 81;ति& #2340;: Shrishterādau mahāmāye Virabhadrasya shaktitaḥ

कन&#23 81;या& #2344;ां दक&#23 81;षस& #2381;य गर&#23 81;भे जा&#23 40;ा जट&#23 81;टा मह&#23 75;श्& #2357;री Kanyānām Dakshasya garbhe jātā jatta maheshwarī.|| 16 ||

Meaning – "In the beginning of the universe with the personification of the illusionary powers of Virabhadra and daughter of Daksha's gana's womb originated the caste of Jat people."
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#233 Apr 21, 2010
Pārvatī asks, in the shloka-17 of 'Deva Samhitā' about the origin and exploits of the Jat people, whom none else has so far revealed, Shiva tells Parvati that:

गर&#23 81;व खर&#23 81;चो& #2340;्र वि&#23 27;्र& #2366;णा ं दे&#23 57;ान& #2366;ं च मह&#23 75;श्& #2357;री Garva kharchotra vigrānam devānām cha maheshwarī

वि&#23 30;ित& #2381;रं वि&#23 60;्‍& #2350;यं सत&#23 81;‍व& #2306; पौ&#23 52;ाण कै सा&#23 29;्ग& #2368;पि तं Vichitram vismayam satvam Pauran kai sāngīpitam || 17 ||

Meaning - "The history of origin of Jat people is extremely wonderful and their antiquity glorious. The Pundits of history did not record their annals lest it should injure and impair their false pride and of the vipras and gods. We describe that realistic history before you."
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#234 Apr 21, 2010
Pārvatī asks Shiva, O Lord Bhutesha, knower of all religions, kindly narrate about the birth and exploits of the Jatt race. Who is their father? Who is their mother? Which race are they? When were they born? Having read the mind of Parvati, Shiva said, "O mother of the world, I may tell you honestly the origin and exploits of the Jats about whom none else has so far revealed anything to you. They are symbol of sacrifice, bravery and industry. They are, like gods, firm of determination and of all the kshatriyā, the Jats are the prime rulers of the earth. They are the progeny of the Virabhadra and gani, the daughter of Daksha, son of Brahma. The history of origin of Jats is extremely wonderful and their antiquity glorious. The Pundits of history did not record their annals lest it should injure and impair their false pride and of the vipras and gods.
badal

Gravesend, UK

#235 Apr 21, 2010
i dont think you can use above as ref for Jatts we got nothing to do with shiva nor do we believe that kinda stuff. theres some ref to jats coming out of shivas hair pure fairytales from days of ignorance.
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#236 Apr 21, 2010
To all the idiots who think Jatts came from the outside, wrong. Jatts were already in India for thousands of years along with Rajputs and all other Kshatriyas that protected Dharma. Back then there were many tribes in Bharat. I am laughing at those morons that say Jatts are Jutes from Juteland. Jatts are Goths? LMAO Stop making up stories. Jutes from Juteland are related to blonde hair Germans. And Goths are a tribe that originated in Eastern Germany. The origins of Jatts are right in ancient India.
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#237 Apr 21, 2010
Next some moron will say Jatts are Huns from Mongolia. I hope some idiot in the future wont say Jatts are Turks or Jatts are Mongolians or Assyrians L O L
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#238 Apr 21, 2010
I know the feeling of having pride. Keep your pride but dont lose your pride by saying Jatts are Goths, Jutes Anglo Saxons Huns or Mongolians in front of them. They'll start laughing out loud. Thats like a rajput saying he's the descendent of a Pastun.
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#239 Apr 21, 2010
Rajputs were always in Rajasthan, and other parts of India. The same with Jatts lived in Rajasthan as well as Punjab both east and west. Sakas of Scythian origin did rule that part for a little bit but after they were defeated by the people who already lived in India and established many Empires, they stopped being Scythians. They lost their Scythian identity. After the Persian Empire broke apart, Scythia broke apart and lost itself in history. Sakas are more related to people in Afghanistan than Jatts, idiots. And people in Afghanistan speak a language that is closer to Persian. So Sakas are related to Pastuns.
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#240 Apr 21, 2010
The descendents of ancient Bharat eventually conquered the Indo Saka, Kushan, Hunas, etc and brought back Dharm and peace to the region until they were overwhelmed by later Arab and Turkic tribes that screwed up India for centuries, till Kshatriyas decided to grow balls, and then came the Khalsa and Sikhs of Wahe Guru Ji(Paramatma) joined hands to defeat evil doers. So keep your Jatt pride but dont disrespect Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Jainism, or Dharma of old India.
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#241 Apr 22, 2010
"Each drop of blood is essentially a historical document," Wells said. "Our DNA tells the story of the journey of our species."

New DNA studies suggest that all humans descended from a single African ancestor who lived some 60,000 years ago
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#242 Apr 22, 2010
In his book, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, Wells describes the exodus from Africa that began around 60,000 years ago, and the path we took to populate the world.

Following the southern coastline of Asia, the first early travelers crossed about 250 kilometers [155 miles] of sea, and colonized Australia by around 50,000 years ago. The Aborigines of Australia, Wells says, are the descendants of the first wave of migration out of Africa.

A second wave left Africa around 45,000 years ago and settled in the Middle East, with smaller groups going off to India, northern China, and southern China. As the glaciers of the Ice Age began to retreat around 40,000 years ago and temperatures warmed up, humans moved into Central Asia and multiplied quickly.
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#243 Apr 22, 2010
Pretend to be whatever u want but at the end of the day we all came from Africa and we were black.....yikes.
Kshatriya

Chicago, IL

#244 Apr 22, 2010
I dont know about the African origins. Maybe its true. Even if its true, there's nothing to worry about. Just be happy with whatever you are now.
Punjab

Victoria, Canada

#245 Apr 22, 2010
The migration route to East Asia must pass through the
Indian subcontinent. Genetic diversity in present-day India
is second only to that in Africa and implies settlement soon
after humans left Africa. Dispersal across Eurasia from Africa
to India was often previously estimated to have occurred
between 45,000 and 59,000 years ago, but a recent proposal
of 66,000 to 70,000 years ago [7] would be more congruent
with the estimate of Shi et al.

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