Rajputs, Jaats and Sikhism - The reality of it all

[Rajputana]

1) Gobind Rai's clan was 'Sodhi'- Sodhi is a khatri tribe which, along with their cousins 'Sood' has its origins amongst the 'Sodha' Rajputs of Amarkot (Rajasthan)...lol arse!

2) Some Rajput kings may have fought against the Guru but most did not deceive a Guru unlike the 'great' Jaats of Majha punjab whose praises your people sing everyday at the gurdwara during ardaas...lol because they needed a woman to fight in their stead...lol bravo!

3) Rajputs actually protected many Sikh Gurus including 8th guru at Delhi when he came to meet mughal emperor, and who approached the hindu rajputs for help? The Sikhs... and the Rajputs did what? They kept the Guru under their protection at Bangla Sahib, one Raja Ram Singh's haveli.

4) The British out and out thrashed the Dal Khalsa of Ranjit Singh, even though the latter had better and more cannons, men and horses. Bulk of the British army fighting against the Dal Khalsa was consisted of Rajputs =)

Novice Jaats shall lose eventually.

[Sher Singh]

Rajputana wrote:

1) Gobind Rai's clan was 'Sodhi'- Sodhi is a khatri tribe which, along with their cousins 'Sood' has its origins amongst the 'Sodha' Rajputs of Amarkot (Rajasthan)...lol arse!
2) Some Rajput kings may have fought against the Guru but most did not deceive a Guru unlike the 'great' Jaats of Majha punjab whose praises your people sing everyday at the gurdwara during ardaas...lol because they needed a woman to fight in their stead...lol bravo!
3) Rajputs actually protected many Sikh Gurus including 8th guru at Delhi when he came to meet mughal emperor, and who approached the hindu rajputs for help? The Sikhs... and the Rajputs did what? They kept the Guru under their protection at Bangla Sahib, one Raja Ram Singh's haveli.
4) The British out and out thrashed the Dal Khalsa of Ranjit Singh, even though the latter had better and more cannons, men and horses. Bulk of the British army fighting against the Dal Khalsa was consisted of Rajputs =)
Novice Jaats shall lose eventually.

Although Im not Jatt, I dont associate with caste, but to say that they beat the Dal Khalsa of Ranjit Singh is a lie as he had passed away. We all know the Sikh Empire was at a weakened state, I have a book with British quotes saying that.

Also, I think your talking about the 40 Mukte, who then came back to help the Guru? And Guru Gobind Singh named them the 40 Blessed ones because they fought to death against 10,000 and the Guru escaped.

Also, didnt Guru Gobind batter the Rajputs over and over, to the point where you had to call on the Mughals for help, who you sold your daughters to?

just asking...

[mard singh]

NO NO THEY GAVE THEIR WOMEN FOR FREE, NO SORRY THEY WERE GIVEN TITLES AND JAGIRS. BASICALLY THEY WERE PIMPS.

[mard singh]

Jehangir's mother was a Ratput he was one of the worst mugals, he converted many ratputs and other hindus to islam by force and he was married to a ratputani. No doubt his fathe in law was rewarded for selling his daughter(s) to sulas.

[Rajputana]

So what exactly is your point? The rajputs formed matrimonial alliances and Kings were born and the Jats gave their women to the muslim harems and ba$strds were born?....

just asking...

[Sher Singh]

Rajputana wrote:

So what exactly is your point? The rajputs formed matrimonial alliances and Kings were born and the Jats gave their women to the muslim harems and ba$strds were born?....
just asking...

My point is that prostitution is when you sell women for money, so what is selling your daughters for land?

Just asking...

[Rajputana]

Sher Singh wrote:

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My point is that prostitution is when you sell women for money, so what is selling your daughters for land?
Just asking...

So how were the Jats any different? I'll tell you how, where as only 3-4 Rajput clans did this, 35 Jat clans did it and the Jats had initially sided with Ghori and Itmush when they had raided and who was defending the tracts....Rajputs.

[Sher Singh]

Proove that only 3-4 Rajputs did this? Could I have some quotes or links please? Where these Jatts Sikh? Because Jatts are also muslim. I cant proove anything about the Jatts, as I am not Jatt, and only associate with Sikhs, no caste.

[Rajputana]

You fool only 3-4 rajput clans gave their daughters to the mughals as opposed to 39 Jat-Punjabi clans, that goes for all you punjabi cu*ts including khatris, bahmans whatever...trus me we resepct your gurus...but honestly you're all chamaars who are not a single iota of your gurus.

These were the same people who had converted to Sikhism later on, Akbar-Darbari-Aurugnzebi Jats have been around since the time of Nanak hahahaha go read some history you assinine fool!

Regarding 'Sikhs':

1) Ranjit Singh's SIKH grand-father, Gajpat Singh, was a mughal dog who was granted the estate of 'Jind' by the mughals.

2) The SIKH sardar of Patiala, Ala Singh, was in the service of Rohilla afghans as well as Abdali and was allowed titleship to Patiala.

3) SIKH sardar jassa singh ahluwalia of Kapurthala's great grand father, Genda Singh, was a servant in the Mughal army lol and was awarded his estate....

[Sher Singh]

I havent seen any proof? All I know is, that Rajputs prostituted thier daughters for land.

I do not care for Jatts. I am a Sikh, true Sikhs arnt low to associate with Jatt, Khatri, Bahman or even Rajput for that matter.

And all these SIKH examples you give, were they Sikh when they fought for the mughals and abdali.

Could I see some evidence please prostitute?

[Rajputana]

'Sher' singh...just remember before Gobind Singh your people were not ept for this title and i'm sure you've already found the proff since you're a big boy to navigate around the net...lol

Proof of Sikh Prostitution at the hands of the Mughals and Afghans:

History of the Sikhs from the Origin of the Nation to the Battles of the Sutlej by J.D. Cunningham (p.120-122)

Advanced History of the Panjab by Gurbux Singh Chhabra (p. 509)

Sikhs by A.H. Bingley (p. 36)

Happy Reading!- If you dont know what a library is or are banned from government institutions, let me know, I have websites for the above prostitution as well.

[Sher Singh]

Afghans and Mughals attacked and tried to destroy the Sikhs, but the Sikhs fought back. Your Rajput ancestors gave thier sisters & mothers to the mughals, who f*cked them over and over to produce rats. There is a big difference you dumb prostitute. How does it feel to have mughal blood in you?

"Rajput Bhim Chand and the perceived threat of the Guru...he conspired with the Moghul armies to put down the power of Guru Gobind Singh. They however faced defeat several times at the hands of the comparatively small Sikh Army" (Yeah - rajputs beat the Sikhs on thier own)

In the Dasam Granththe Guru talks about how he ripped the p*ssy Rajputs apart.

"In 1749, Ala Singh defeated and repulsed Farid Khan, a Rajput chieftain, who had sought the help of the imperial governor of Sirhind" (again, Rajputs contacting thier pimps the moghals for help against the Singhs)

You struggle to defeat the Sikhs on your own, you need the d*cks of the Mughals and the British on your side. The Marathas were brave hindu warriors, who fought AGAINST oppresion. But you didnt, you decided to join what you couldnt defeat.

Dhan Dhan twadi Rajput lan kali maa Krishna di phan...idol worship cow di fudi maar...muslim rajput ik he jaaat!!!

[Rajputana]

pehchodeya terey guru nanak nu nanga karkey terey harmadar sahib ch mujra karawan osdi ma da haram de guu khaneya sikha tenu maar doon kithey renda va tun???? saleya apney guru da shukrana mana tu Uk ch haiga i'm coming to hayes in some time so you tell me wassup then.

We never 'struggled' to defeat the sikhs because we hardly ever came into contact with them - rajputs have a thing about them where they don't fight guerilla wars (sikhs are notorious for this) we fight our equals and your pimp sardar bhagel singh of the dal khalsa signed a treaty with us after he was routed back into bharatpur what was that all about???? PU$$Y!

In the Dasam granth quote one single line where your guru states that he 'ripped the p*ssy rajputs apart' or anything even remotely similar...lol your guru was in quite a predicament when his Jat/Afghan/Punjabi fighters had deserted him and then who was left?? Rajputs who fought against their own blood because they are true to their word unlike your ba$tard race!

The rajputs gave their sisters so did the Sikh ancestors before converting to the new religion so where is the difference? Somewhere down the line your forefathers were either low castes and were forced to convert or converted to save their lands.

Farid Khan was a mohommadan ranghar - mixed bred does that change the fact that Ala Singh was the pimped by Abdali and Shah Alam?

[Sher Singh]

In the Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh talks about how he killed the rajput raja bhim chands bum chum, ratpoot hari chand:
"Catching the bow in my hand I pulled an arrow and shot it. On the other hand the warriors running here and there and their weapons were moving around. Meanwhile I shot that arrow which killed the powerful youngman (HariChand) Having killed Hari Chand other warriors were also trample"

That is one example of Guru Ji whooping your treachorous Mughal s*cking race. And all you keep going on about is "We beat the Sikhs out and out in the ANGLO-Sikh wars." Yeah, with British artillery. I guess you were also present at the Battle of Chillianwala - wanna know what happened there - from British sources at the time RaasPoot?
PROZZIES THA LOT OF YA!!!! Dont even dare to attack Sikhi & the Gurus because they protected you hind asses in the north, dont you know what Bulleh shah said? Im sure you've read it somewhere. Do you want HINDU references of what the Gurus did for you - you idol wosrhipping c*ck lickers?

[Rajputana]

Chillianwala????? 23,000 sikhs with 60 guns against 14,000 natives with 66 guns hahahahahaaha read it mother f*ker!!!!!! Ranjit Singh's nephew Sher Singh Attariwala lay down his sword in this war!!!! COWARDS!!!!! You know the clan Ranjit Singh belongs to 'Sansi', is considered chamaar in Rajasthan, UP and Haryana..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chilli...

Read the Zafarnama and Ganjnama where Gobind Singh praises the Rajputs for rebelling agains Aurugzeb.

You misquote the Dasam Granth, throughout it Gobind Singh is quite pious and humble, this is the level you have stooped to, anyhow i'll translate it for you if you need help, but even your quote mentions the Rajput Hari Chand as being 'powerful'.

[Sher Singh]

No doubt Guru Ji was humble, a true warrior always is. But he is one of 20 Rajput chieftans that Guru Ji fought, there are other examples of when Guru Gobind Singh killed your treachorous ancestors when fighting for the truth and justice - not money like ratpoos.

Praising the rajputs is no problem, I have never said they wernt warriors or fighter, just comparing them to Sikhs I think we were better warriors.

And chillianwala was a beating and a half for the British. I have many references from the British on the war - I guess your rajput ancestors were the first to walk away, like they always did against Guru Gobind Singh.

"Agar Hote na Guru Gobind Singh, ta sunnat sab hote" - had thier not been a Guru Gobind Singh, all would have been circumcised.(Bulleh Shah)

Face the facts - Hindoos can thank the Sikhs for thier existence in N.India.

[Sher Singh]

HAHAHA you thick Rat smellimg Poot!!!

I have just read this from an official BRITISH defence journal:

"The Battle of Chillianwala fought on 13 January 1849 is, however, one odd exception and stands out as a battle in which the British failed to defeat their opponents despite having the advantages of weight of numbers, ideal weather and terrain, superior logistics"

Your quotes are from sites such as Wikipedia - where d*ck faced rat arses like rajputs go on an edit stuff!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you dumb Hindoo beef burger, you struggled to defeat the Sikhs even when you had Moghal and British alliance - and you got OWNED b*tch when you fought us itt naal itt.

[Rajputana]

The #s on that Wiki cite are quite authentic and are coroborated by Lawrence James in his book The Making and Unmaking of British India (p. 117)

Once again you wrote extensively, but to no avail since you have not given page #'s or citations for the Chillianwala incident, and this was the FIRST time I used wikipedia and that too because the references are cited on there, but anywho i'll give you the hard cover references for Chillianwala, its a known fact that besides Chillianwala your people "sikhs" outnumbered the British but were not capable of defeating them:

"This time the Sikh army was no match for the British; despite the greater number of men and extraordinary bravery of their soldiers they were crushingly defeated at Chillianwala in January 1849." - History Today by Peter Quennel (p. 612)

[Sher Singh]

http://www.defencejournal.com/2000/july/chill...

Read it all tw*t face and I've also checked the citations at the bottom. We all know Wikipedia is not a great source. I dont know exact numbers, I dont know exact guns, but this website has ALOT of numbers and figures in tables.

"Chillianwala a British Army which had a high European troop component large number Sepoy (regiments), sufficient artillery, two heavy cavalry brigades to ensure that no one could surprise the British army, excellent logistics, little campaign exhaustion having fought no major battle since assumption of hostilities, winter weather negating the possibility of heatstroke and cholera the worst killers of white soldiers in India,failed to defeat the Sikhs."

Your quote is wrong because the SIKHS DID NOT LOSE AT CHILLIANWALA - THE BRITISH ACCEPT THEY LOST.

How many quotes do you want that the British lost - 10? 20?

STOP BULLSH*TTING AND MAKING THINGS UP!!! THE RAJPUTS FOUGHT FOR THE BRITISH PIMPS, SO YOU MUST HAVE GOT MASSACRED THEN AS MOST THE BRITISH DEATHS WERE NATIVE PEOPLE HA HA F*CKIN HA!

[Rajputana]

More lies, you little sneaky pr*ck I read that site and the numbers I provided through Wikipedia are infact almost the SAME as on the defencejournal site what an arse!!!- NOW TELL ME THIS QUOTE IS FROM YOUR SITE WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN #s OF MEN FROM THE WIKI SITE??? GIVE MY REGARDS TO THE MAGNIFICENT LITTLE PENDU C*NT WHO GAVE BIRTH TO AN ARSE SUCH AS YOURSELF! ;)

"Gough had calculated that after leaving troops to guard his baggage, he could muster 12,000 men and 66 guns to attack the Sikh position at Rasul. The information which he had about the Sikh position was vague i.e. that it extended from the village of Rasul on the left till Lakhni Wala 6 miles to the south and facing east in a concave line with the broad fast flowing Jhelum river to the rear. Fortescue who exaggerated the odds as a matter of habit placed the Sikh strength at 30,000. Malleson who was dismissed by Fortescue as “pseudo historical”“inaccurate”“sloven ly” and “untrustworthy”34 estimated the Sikh strength at Chillianwala to be in the neighbourhood of 23,000."