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CRITIQUE OF SIKHISM (revised version)

Iíve prepared this little primer for non-Sikhs. It is at ur disposal 2 use wen ever u have 2 deal with a Sikhs religious beliefs. And it should be read by Sikhs for food for thought. I advise u 2 print a copy of this & distribute it: especially in those places where u know Sikhs r likely to frequent. U may even e-mail it 2 other Sikhs u happen 2 know. The whole thing can be done totally anonymously. Sikhs need to wake up from their slumber b4 they find themselves in the bowels of hell.

1. What did Sikhism bring to the world enshrined in its teachings that hadnít already existed in Islam or Hinduism? If u read Sikh scriptures itís a case of re-inventing the wheel as everything it preached already existed in the: Torah, Bible, Koran or the Geeta!

2. Sikh parents habitually brainwash their children by telling them how barbaric the Muslims (esp. Mughals) were towards "our gods". Muslims are responsible for murdering them. If a god can't save his own skin, howís he gona protect his followers?

3. The concept of Ik Onkar (one god) in Sikhism is very ambiguous. You may infer from Sikh teachings that Ik Onkar in actual fact is a reference 2 all the 10 gurusí collectively & not one god. If u study Sikh scripture objectively one thing uíll soon realise is that Guru Nanak is attributed with divine traits. If u donít believe me then read the following passage & then make ur mind up:

ďGod is in the Guru and Guru is in God. Though God is everywhere and in everybody but His traits are illuminated through the Guru. The Jot (Divine Light) that enshrined Guru Nanak's body and the Primal Jot of God are, therefore, one and the sameĒ

'Guru Nanak Har Soai.'

(Gaund Mohalla 5, pg. 865)

Letís remind our selves about the bit that attributes divinity 2 Guru Nanak in the way Christianís do to Jesus (PBUH)ÖThe Jot (Divine Light) that enshrined Guru Nanak's body and the Primal Jot of God are, therefore, one and the sameĒ



Take any of the banis at random, whether itís from the: Jai Dev, Naam Dev, Sadhana, Tirlochan, u will discover the same confusing message regarding the status of Guru Nanak. It's entirely possible that people like Guru Amar Das may have completely corrupted the writings of Guru Nanak & interpolated the Adi Granth with his own take on Siki. & this very possible coz the adi granth is a collection of hymns taken from multiple-authors.

I believe any rational mind begins detect the inherent contradictions in the notion of Ik Onkar according 2 Sikh teachings.

4. If Sikhs believe in the unity of god then y does there exist such a paucity of information regarding this god?

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5. This story is a favourite Sikh chestnut, told when ever Sikhs find an excuse. Guru Nanak was in Mecca, lying down with is feet facing towards the Ka'ba. The rest is history. Anyway this story just doesn't add up. Only a brain-washed fanatic can swallow this wholesale. First off, what was Guru Nanak doing in Islamís most sacred city? Obviously, if he was a prophet, then he would have been wise enough to know that as the figure-head of a new religious movement i.e. Siki, he wouldn't entertain anything remotely Islamic. However the man was monomaniac in his interest of everything Islam. U c readers u need to remember that one of the most celebrated incidents in Guru Nanakís life was when he was presumed drowned after 3 days in the wilderness. The story goes after he found enlightenment the first words he uttered were 'There is no Hindu, there is no Musalmaan.' In one breath the great Guru wrote off Islam as an irrelevant & impractical religion. But having said these much vaunted words, he still found time to ambulate in Muslim lands for nearly TWO DECADES! And yet he had the nerve to say "there is no Muslaman". Furthermore, the man who declared Muslims defunct also performed the Muslim pilgrimage of Hajj! So many contradictory things happened in his life, which any one with a rational mind is left in a state of total confusion. Anyway, had he really been in Mecca, he would have been chastised verbally at the very least for showing blatant disrespect to a fundamental belief sacred to all Muslims, by pointing his feet towards the Ka'ba. If he continued his irreverence, then itís entirely possible he would have been killed. But had he really performed hajj, then this would be the last thing he would do. I believe this story didn't come from the mouth of Guru Nanak Ji but was inserted into Siki by short-sighted Sikh revisionists do give some credibility to his prophetic status.
6. It is well documented that before Guru Arjan Dev Ji finally compiled the final version of the Guru Granth Sahib, it had been corrupted by Guru Amar Das, who chopped and changed things according to his understanding of Siki.
7. Even though Guru Nanak declared "there is no Hindu..." he praised Hinduism endlessly. The contradictions don't end there, because Hindu gods are also praised in the Granth Sahib. So what ever happened to the sanctity of Ik Onkar? Sikhs and Hindus even share some religious festivals, such as Diwali. Did Guru Nanak Ji ever utter the infamous phrase "there is Hindu there is no muslamaan"? Like Hindu myths, did the subsequent 9 Gurus make up untrue stories and attributed them to Guru Nanak?
8. Sikhs, especially those who are amrit shak (baptised) love telling you that all faiths lead to god. If thatís the case then y do Sikh parents the world over fill their childrenís hearts & minds with toxic venom against Muslims? Y do Sikhs go bananas wen a Sikh converts 2 Islam? If all religions lead to god then it means that the rules & tenants that underpin Sikh teachings have no significance or meaning. Wots the purpose of not cutting ur hair or refraining from eating halal meat, or reciting the Kirtan Sohila before you go to sleep, or wearing the kara if all religions lead to god. The 5 Ks of Sikhism r completely symbolic. From a Muslim perspective, we make no bones about which religion is the right one: Islam! And following the rules & laws of any other ideology will lead you astray from your true lord: Allah.
9. Being a Sikh by its very definition means u don't have 2 use ur head or logic 2 follow its teachings. It's all in the heart & once u become sentimental about something, and then reason or logic goes straight out of the window! This is y Siki has no appeal outside the Punjab. This small fish has been taken out of the water & is now left on the shore, where it is suffocating a slow death because of the onslaught of alien western values & mores that it cannot deal with.

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10. The whole of the Siki movement is like one big 'Passion Play', inexorably emphasising the suffering of its Gurus-cum-Gods at the hand of the Muslims. If Sikhs omitted this element from its teachings, then siki would collapse. Sikhism is all in the heart & not the mind. & so the wheel keeps spinning. wen the next human being is born (in Islam we believe that every child is born a Muslim, its later when they become infected with other faiths )int2 a Sikh family the first thing the family does soon as s/he becomes of age is 2 inject their hearts with lies regarding Islam.

11. Wen Sikhs do get a chance 2 learn about Islam & not the errant ways of its adherents such as the Mughal emperors, then they realise that in actual fact Sikh elders (esp. the amritkhar) drip feed young Sikhs blatant untruths about Islam in order to keep the decreasing numbers in siki strong.

12. In essence Sikhism is a martial movement conceived by the 10 Sikh gurus 2 repel the surge of Islam in the sub continent. The gurus thought they knew of a better way 2 god by borrowing a lot of ingredients from the Hindu larder & a few from the Islamic one. 10 ordinary mortals (gurus) thought that they knew better than wot their creator Allah (swt) was demanding from them in terms of worship, as such Sikhism was born.

13. Islam is emphatic in its teachings that it is the only way to salvation coz the Quran says:

ĎAnd whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.í(Qur'an 3:85)

Islam is the only religion that matters. Itís immaterial if Sikhs believe in Ik Onkar (1 god) coz to avoid the gruesome torture meted out in hell u must believe in the magnificent Prophet Mohammed (saw), all he preached, the Quíran, the angels, & the prophets. By not believing in these things u can only b one thing: a kafir (unbeliever).

14. If Guru Nanak is the light of god then how on earth could light be reincarnated? If he is supposed 2 b eternal then there is absolutely no way how he could be reincarnated as anything! If the theory of reincarnation is taken 2 its logical conclusion then the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb could have easily been the reincarnation of Guru Nanak? Thereís no way u can prove this or refute it! & thatís a promise. Then this in turn germinates more unseen but very man-made problems; in that it was on the orders of Aurangzeb that the 9th Sikh Guru Taegh Badhaur was executed. In other words Guru Nanak could have come back as a Muslim emperor to kill a Sikh guru. C the problems with ur up against wen ur critiquing siki teachings?

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15. Y does the Sikh community, especially in the Indian Punjab, condone the practice of polyandry? Itís an open secret in the sub-continent that when a Sikh man brings his wife home, his brothers will disport in sexual intercourse with her at some point. Its part & parcel of the Sikh culture. Such illicit relations are contrary to Sikh teachings, but every1 just pretends that it doesnít happen. If a Sikh tells u otherwise then he is lying.

16. The primary reason y a lot of Sikh girls tend 2 marry non-Sikhs, especially Muslim men is coz of the flagrant hypocrisy they witness in their households. Itís the hypocrisy of Sikh men for eg. Sikhs know that booze is forbidden 2 them. Ur gona hear the Sikh father tell his women folk about the nasty evils of booze.. But given any excuse for a party the father (in cahoots with the sons, uncles, grand-dads) will return home completely bladdered on spirits! & wen Sikh girls witness this hypocritical behaviour of their men folk they just say, f""k this! Iím gona do wot I plz if my ole man does wot he pleases. & 2 aggravate matters, in Sikh households, Sikh women in general r perceived to b a colossal burden on the family. This perception of female burden drives the Sikh men to subjugate them & treat them like skivvies. No woman wants 2 b treated like a beast of burden. So with this pressure on them , Sikh girls take off in2 non-Sikh arms where they believe theyíre gona b treated with more compassion & luv.

17. Sikh youth livin in the west don't know the 1st thing about Sikhism. If theyíll know anything then itíll mo b d pre-occupation with one of 4 following things in this day n age:

A. Obsessive talk about Muslims being a bunch of murderous bastards
B. Sellin alcohol & getting smashed urselves
C. Making new styles of bangra music.

18. Sikh martial history is over-egged coz if Sikhs were all that & not just full of hot-air then y didn't they avenge wot happened 2 them at the Golden Temple in 1984? Sikhs are insignificant in 2days world & survive on past glories.

19. Sikh contribution 2 d world has been NIL, in any sphere of human achievement.

20. Sikhism is so insignificant that besides the subcontinent & Birmingham (UK), Sikhism is virtually unheard of.

21. Sikhs r Hindu converts. Sikhism shares so much in common with Hinduism that u can call Sikhism a 'lite' version of Hinduism

22. Within 3 generations Sikhism will b dead in the western world.

23.. So Sikhs u have been warned. Ur creator Allah (swt) is conveying his message 2 u. If u die in a state of infidelity, then u will really be tortured in hell where no: Guru, mother, father, brother, sister or friend is gona cum n save ur skin.

U folks can carry on blithely, trying 2 find weaknesses in the teachings of Islam, which no one has succeeded in 1500 years, but u wonít b able 2 escape ur fate after u have died on that day when u will b standing in front of ur creator, Allah (swt) & made held accountable for ur deeds n actions. The one thing
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Arabian horse and Asif have spent training at Madrassa. We now know why they act in such a retarded manner. They have been sexually abused and have psychological problems.

And they know that when they go to heaven more Mullas are waiting for them young guns.
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Arabian Horse and Asif Khan are two f*cking bastards. They dfon't know a thing about Sikhism, yet they claim they do. Stick to your own religion not other people Arabian Bastard. Bloody muslim!! Yet another idiotic muslim!!!
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Hi Sucky-Sucky!

Hope i spelt ur name correctly. Mayb u mite know sumtin about sikhi. now thats one 4 d books coz nobody else does besides me.
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Arabian Horse and Asif Khan are two f*cking bastards. They dfon't know a thing about Sikhism, yet they claim they do. Stick to your own religion not other people Arabian Bastard. Bloody muslim!! Yet another idiotic muslim!!!
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Arabian Horse wrote:
Hi Sucky-Sucky!
Hope i spelt ur name correctly. Mayb u mite know sumtin about sikhi. now thats one 4 d books coz nobody else does besides me.
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Your views on Sikhi are wrong anyway. Sukha DOES know more than you about Sikhism BECAUSE HE IS A SIKH. It's common sense fool! I think you should learn something about your own religion before you bark out wrong information.
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No sikh, especially those livin in west, even though their father may b a preist at the local gudwara, now anything of real substance regarding their movement. & thats a promise!
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Your views on Sikhi are wrong anyway. Sukha DOES know more than you about Sikhism BECAUSE HE IS A SIKH. It's common sense fool! I think you should learn something about your own religion before you bark out wrong information.
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Is the golden temple really made out of gold? and why do sikhs wear turbans? i am jus curious!
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No sikh, especially those livin in west, even though their father may b a preist at the local gudwara, now anything of real substance regarding their movement. & thats a promise!
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What makes you think you know so much about Sikhi? You seem to have a lot of pride in yourself, and Pride is against Islam anyway.
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Is the golden temple really made out of gold? and why do sikhs wear turbans? i am jus curious!
Yes, the Harmandir Sahib is made out of real Gold. Also about why sikhs wear turbans, this link will help you: http://fateh.sikhnet.com/s/WhyTurbans#Gift%20...
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I don't have any pride in me. Except wot i say is based on the following verse of the koran:

And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." (17:81)
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What makes you think you know so much about Sikhi? You seem to have a lot of pride in yourself, and Pride is against Islam anyway.
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I don't have any pride in me. Except wot i say is based on the following verse of the koran:
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." (17:81)
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So what's the "falsehood" in your opinion?
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In relation to the koran i won't give u my opnion coz then it defeats the purpose of being a muslim but i'll tel u wot ur & my creator Allah (swt) describes falsehood as. It's everything other than wots been prescribed 4 human beings in the koran. The belief that there is one god Allah, that the sweet Prophet Mohammed (saw) was his final messanger, the laws of the koran, the angels, death, reckoning, resurrection & finally heaven or hell.

In the next verse Allah (swt) says to mankind:

We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.(17:82)
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So what's the "falsehood" in your opinion?
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CRITIQUE OF SIKHISM (revised version)

2. Sikh parents habitually brainwash their children by telling them how barbaric the Muslims (esp. Mughals) were towards "our gods". Muslims are responsible for murdering them. If a god can't save his own skin, howís he gona protect his followers?

3. The concept of Ik Onkar (one god) in Sikhism is very ambiguous. You may infer from Sikh teachings that Ik Onkar in actual fact is a reference 2 all the 10 gurusí collectively & not one god. If u study Sikh scripture objectively one thing uíll soon realise is that Guru Nanak is attributed with divine traits. If u donít believe me then read the following passage & then make ur mind up:
ďGod is in the Guru and Guru is in God. Though God is everywhere and in everybody but His traits are illuminated through the Guru. The Jot (Divine Light) that enshrined Guru Nanak's body and the Primal Jot of God are, therefore, one and the sameĒ
'Guru Nanak Har Soai.'
(Gaund Mohalla 5, pg. 865)
Letís remind our selves about the bit that attributes divinity 2 Guru Nanak in the way Christianís do to Jesus (PBUH)ÖThe Jot (Divine Light) that enshrined Guru Nanak's body and the Primal Jot of God are, therefore, one and the sameĒ

4. If Sikhs believe in the unity of god then y does there exist such a paucity of information regarding this god?
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The Guru Granth Sahib clearly states that there is ONE GOD. Infact, this is clearly stated right at the start. The Guru Granth Sahib is the only religous scripture in the world which instead of starting with a letter or word, starts with a numeral - the number 1 (ek) where it opens stating there is ONE Supreme Being (ie God). Does that not stress this point enough for you to understand this simple concept. Kindly stop spreading misinformation (/lies) about other peoples religion.

You lack the spiritual awareness to comprehend what jot is. If you did you would realise how ignorant your argument is.
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Hi Sucky-Sucky!
Hope i spelt ur name correctly.<quoted text>
IF you hoped to spell Sukhas name correctly, I think you could have. Do you think you could have?

Is it islamic behaviour to change peoples names to deride them?
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I've said wot i had 2 say except 4 ... carry on regardless!
chardi kala wrote:
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The Guru Granth Sahib clearly states that there is ONE GOD. Infact, this is clearly stated right at the start. The Guru Granth Sahib is the only religous scripture in the world which instead of starting with a letter or word, starts with a numeral - the number 1 (ek) where it opens stating there is ONE Supreme Being (ie God). Does that not stress this point enough for you to understand this simple concept. Kindly stop spreading misinformation (/lies) about other peoples religion.
You lack the spiritual awareness to comprehend what jot is. If you did you would realise how ignorant your argument is.
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Arabian Horse wrote:
Hi Sucky-Sucky!
Hope i spelt ur name correctly.<quoted text>

IF you hoped to spell Sukhas name correctly, I think you could have- it's not too hard. Do you think you could have?

Is it islamic behaviour to change peoples names to deride them?
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I've said wot i had 2 say except 4 ... carry on regardless!
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what happened to your robust debating nature?????

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