The caste system??
Rani

Dublin, Ireland

#1 Sep 24, 2012
If sikhs believe that everyone is equal... Why is there a caste system??
Pak Jatt Soorma

Australia

#3 Sep 24, 2012
Rani wrote:
If sikhs believe that everyone is equal... Why is there a caste system??
As far as i know casteism is banned in sikhism and only practices within hinduism
Rani

Dublin, Ireland

#4 Sep 24, 2012
Pak Jatt Soorma wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as i know casteism is banned in sikhism and only practices within hinduism
Oh right.. Thanks :)
12-21-2012 LIFE IS CHANGE

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#5 Sep 24, 2012
Sikhism does not believe in caste system, but unfortunately the Sikhs have retained their previous caste from their Hindu ancestors. In reality, Hinduism does not believe in caste system either. It was incorporated into Hinduism by the Brahmin caste, so they could keep the majority of power to themselves. The theory is that the caste system came from Central Asian invaders and became part of Indian society. Another theory is that it was started by an Indian king, whose intention was not to persecute people, but to categorize them based on profession. The Brahmin took advantage of that and used it to put others downs. In ancient times, the children would take up the profession of their parents. If your father was a warrior, most likely the son was going to be a warrior. As for the girls, they would marry a man who had the same profession as their father. Now in the modern world, the caste system is absolutely useless and it always has been from the beginning of time. The caste system is like racism, segregation, colonization, oppression, and Jim Crow laws. It can be argued that it is worse. The light skinned Indians tend to be the higher castes and the dark skinned Indians tend to be the lower castes. It is sad, but true.
Rani

Dublin, Ireland

#6 Sep 24, 2012
Thank you for that :)...but its like segregation within a culture!
Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#7 Sep 24, 2012
Teachings or Wisdom of the Gurbani — there is no place for the madness of belief in caste system, Jaat Paat,“high” and “low”...
Yet, the madness of belief in non-essentials like Jaat Paat has a strong hold in Sikhs!!

According to the Gurmat, any one who believes in Jaat Paat cannot be a true Sikh; for the caste only relates to the body; not to one’s Mool (Source, Origin, Jot…). In other words, the caste-conscious person is a Manmukh (Saakat, Mayadhaaree, Asant…) who has confounded his True Identity (Jot-Svaroopa) for the physical body-frame. Consequently, he identifies himself and others as Jatt Sikh, Saini Sikh, Bhaapaa Sikh, Rorra Sikh, Tarkhaan or Raamgarheeaa Sikh, Mazhabee Sikh, Khatree Sikh, Lavaanaa Sikh, Kookaa Sikh, Naamdhaaree Sikh, Nihang Sikh, Nirmalay Sikh, Brahmin Sikh, list goes on and on. Now, in the West, there seems to be a new class of Sikhs called Caucasian Sikhs (Gore or white Sikhs)! Consequents of this madness of belief in Jaat Paat are many. For example:

Most Sikh marriages are organized along the caste lines. Within Sikhs, if a boy or a girl from one caste marries someone from a different caste without mutual consent of their parents, it sometimes turns into a bloody tragedy. Thus, Jatt Sikh, Saini Sikh, Bhaapaa Sikh, Rorha Sikh, Tarkhaan or Raamgarheeaa Sikh, Mazhabee Sikh, Khatree Sikh, Lavaanaa Sikh, etc., rarely intermarry.
Many Gurdawaras are built along the caste lines (,, etc.). In many villages in Punjab (India), Mazhabees or Dalits have their own Gurdawaras and even separate cremation grounds. Many Gurdawara, thus, are built based on ill feelings created by the madness of belief in Jaat-Paat rather than a genuine spiritual cause…, Kabeer Sahib repudiates this madness of Jaat Paat .
Everyone laughs at my caste ().(But) I am a sacrifice to this caste (I consider it topmost),(by taking birth) in which I have Realized (Understood, Known…) Creator (Mool, Source, Jot….||2||(sggs 1364).
It’s not the family of birth, material wealth, name, fame, power, education, knowledge, titles, etc., that makes one of low or high caste. Who is low or high depends solely on how one lives his life, by merely taking birth in a so called Sikh or a Brahmin family, one does not become a Sikh or a Brahmin. If both of them act in conditioned consciousness
In the dwelling of the womb, there is no ancestry and Jaati. All emanate from God’s Seed (from One Light)||1|| The Gurbani roars that the madness of false pride of caste results in increase or instigation of Bikaar (lust, anger, greed, attacment, pride…). Those having this pride of caste are called “fool” and “ignorant” in the Gurbani. To put it otherwise, as the Gurbani indicates, those who practice caste distinction and feel pride of their belief in Jaat Paat are stupid and spiritually ignorant beings.

&#2405;: Do not be proud of your (higher or &#2569;&#2673;&#25 86;&#2624;) Jaati, you ignorant fool! Why when God sees equal?
&#2405;: God’s Name (Giaan…) is the (higher) Jaati, and (higher) ancestry, and Glory of the Gurmukh (sggs 230).
According to the Gurbani, the Way to eradicate the notion of low and high is to recognize the One Lord in Mann (&#2606;&#2673;&#2 600;, mind…) and Chitt (&#2586;&#2623;&#2 673;&#2596;, Consciousness, faculty of discerning, Understanding…), in everyone, everywhere…

&#2405;: High and low, caste and status – the world wanders lost in doubt
According to the Gurbani, the real outcaste (&#2600;&#2624;&#2 586;, Shoodar…) is the one who is devoid of the Naam (Gur-Shabad, Gurbani’s Giaan, Wisdom or Divine Knowledge).

&#2405;&#2666;&#24 05;&#2665;&#2405;: O Nanak, without the Name,(Jeev) are wretched outcasts (&#2600;&#2624;&#2 586;, low…).||4||3||(sggs 10).
SukhwinderSingh urfsukkha

Sydney, Australia

#8 Sep 24, 2012
Rani wrote:
If sikhs believe that everyone is equal... Why is there a caste system??
Sikhs are liars they say one thing and do another. Like all gandu Akal Dal Khalsa members are trained terrorists but they say our religion is peace.
Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#9 Sep 24, 2012
SukhwinderSingh urfsukkha wrote:
<quoted text>
but they say our religion is peace.
Well why wud we lie and say it isnt? People like u have nothing better to do than act stupid
waheguruSALABeti Chodta

Sydney, Australia

#10 Oct 14, 2012
has been for 100 s of years.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Sikh Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
maa ki chudai Mast Wali whatup pe 5 min farhaan 7
hostel me kiss ne sex kiya hai 31 min neha 3
bahan chudai 36 min Alok nine 421748986 15
mujhe apni mami ke bare me gandi baten karni hai 44 min Alok nine 421748986 117
kis kis ne gair mardo se sex kiya hai... apni s... 53 min wife swap adla badli 26
kaun apni maa behan ko kothe pe baithana chahte... 1 hr ek ajnabi 147
bathinda ki pyasi girl bhabhi ho to whatsapp987... 1 hr kishor kumar 25
Ahmedabad hot gay pm here 2 hr shrenik 3,236
More from around the web