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Ajit Singh

Delhi, India

#279 Jun 15, 2011
mard singh wrote:
No Sikhs do not claim that they have done every thing, however they are and I am proud of their heritage.
Sikh army post Maharaja Ranjit Singh was mainly Sikh, reason being that there was a semi civil war in Punjab and many Sikhs remained as most of them wanted the Sikh empire to survive, and also many were not paid and hence they deserted.I am currently reading a book called "Anglo Sikh Wars: Winston Churchill's Account". Throughout the book there is no mention of any one other than Sikhs, and its their bravery described by the opposing army.
Sikhs were betrayed by Purbias, and they were rewarded handsomely by the British.
The mutiny was localised. I am surprised that you admit how opportunist and coward Marathas were that they waited to see if mutiny comes off.The brave Marathas waited because they did not want to lose privelidges given to them by the British. As I mentioned elsewhere that after the defeat Marathas went to sleap and slept until 1947, and made very little contribution to anti British Raj movements. That was left to Punjabis and they were mainly Sikhs.
The Sikhs dominated the politics of Punjab from the day they gained power in that part of India, even though they were in a minority. You are not very intelligent regarding the situation of Punjab and of Sikhs. Punjab was destroyed by the political forces lead by Gandhi Nehru gang in 1947( The Sikhs opposed the partition of India) and by I Gandhi gang after. Before you make that kind of a stupid statement in the future think who had the power in 1947 and who decided and divided the country.
Yes, Sikh army post Ranjit Singh was mostly of Sikhs. however, there were considerable numbers of Dogras in Sikh Army. The only blunder made by Ranjit Singh was, he allowed English to sit on Sikhs' rear that's NWFP in today's Pakistan which proved to be pain in as* for later Sikh rulers. Sikh empire flourished due the bravery and sagacity of Nalwa. Once Nalwa is dead then Sikhs would not have general of his caliber. Ranjit Singh could use his army to suppress Afghanistan but he did not want to venture it, this enabled English to sit at the rear of Sikh Empire. Now English are on south, West and East of Sikh empire or simply they were encircled by English from three sides. Ranjit Singh united all Sikhs as well as Hindu and Muslims kings to his side which was one of the main reason for his success. Once Ranjit Singh died the Muslim states rebelled and the first to set itself free was Peshawar which fell to Afghans because of English diplomacy.

Well, Maratha sardars at the time of Mutiny did not join the rebel Maratha states because there was no trust and moreover, they had seen the British might on battlefield.

Marathas went to sleep but not Marathis. The last Maratha state to fall was Baroda ruler Gaikwad which fell in late 19th C.E
Punjab was not center of revolution but it was again Maharashtra, Oudh and Bengal. Brahmins from these states rose against British. VASUDEV BALWANT PHADKE was the most successful of all the revolutionaries.

I personally do not like Gandhi and Nehru. I like Gandhi as a saint but not as a leader of country. Today's Punjab not only consists of Sikhs but Hindu too so, how could Sikhs ask for a separate country unless it has huge Hindu population?

The reason for Sikhs not having any land from their Sikh empire is, they did not dislodge the Muslims out of their empire. Well , it was not even possible. My point is, the Muslim dominated states were added to Pakistan. Sikhs did not form a firm rule in today's Pakistan, they should have installed their powerful leaders on the seat of Multan and Sindh so when British would come then they would install the Sikh not any Muslim ruler.
mard singh

Bathgate, UK

#280 Jun 17, 2011
Ajit Singh wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Sikh army post Ranjit Singh was mostly of Sikhs. however, there were considerable numbers of Dogras in Sikh Army. The only blunder made by Ranjit Singh was, he allowed English to sit on Sikhs' rear that's NWFP in today's Pakistan which proved to be pain in as* for later Sikh rulers. Sikh empire flourished due the bravery and sagacity of Nalwa. Once Nalwa is dead then Sikhs would not have general of his caliber. Ranjit Singh could use his army to suppress Afghanistan but he did not want to venture it, this enabled English to sit at the rear of Sikh Empire. Now English are on south, West and East of Sikh empire or simply they were encircled by English from three sides. Ranjit Singh united all Sikhs as well as Hindu and Muslims kings to his side which was one of the main reason for his success. Once Ranjit Singh died the Muslim states rebelled and the first to set itself free was Peshawar which fell to Afghans because of English diplomacy.
Well, Maratha sardars at the time of Mutiny did not join the rebel Maratha states because there was no trust and moreover, they had seen the British might on battlefield.
Marathas went to sleep but not Marathis. The last Maratha state to fall was Baroda ruler Gaikwad which fell in late 19th C.E
Punjab was not center of revolution but it was again Maharashtra, Oudh and Bengal. Brahmins from these states rose against British. VASUDEV BALWANT PHADKE was the most successful of all the revolutionaries.
I personally do not like Gandhi and Nehru. I like Gandhi as a saint but not as a leader of country. Today's Punjab not only consists of Sikhs but Hindu too so, how could Sikhs ask for a separate country unless it has huge Hindu population?
The reason for Sikhs not having any land from their Sikh empire is, they did not dislodge the Muslims out of their empire. Well , it was not even possible. My point is, the Muslim dominated states were added to Pakistan. Sikhs did not form a firm rule in today's Pakistan, they should have installed their powerful leaders on the seat of Multan and Sindh so when British would come then they would install the Sikh not any Muslim ruler.
I dont think that was Ranjit Singh's main mistake, I think his main mistake was that he paid too much attention to conquering unproductive areas, where Hari Singh Nalwa was wasted. I think Ranjit Singh should have looked to the east and crossed The Satluj boundary and marched towards Patiala and then Delhi, his army was strong he would have defeated everyone on the way. However, I think Ranjit Singh did not have the confidence. Hari Singh without a doubt would have reached Delhi.Another reason was that Ranjit Singh died when he was relatively, he wasnot even 60. One further reason for the defeat was that the civel war that followed wiped out practically the whole family of the Ranjit Singh and the Dogras and the purbias played the ir part. The first thing the Goras did was (the treaty of Amritsar )rewarded these traitors.
I think the Marathas wanted to take the credit after the mutiny, other thing I think was like the Sikhs, Marathas had suffered so many casuaities they did not want loose any more lives.
I have never ever supported a saparate Sikh State,however I do that states should be given some autonomy.
Ajit singh

Mohali, India

#281 Jun 17, 2011
mard singh wrote:
<quoted text>I dont think that was Ranjit Singh's main mistake, I think his main mistake was that he paid too much attention to conquering unproductive areas, where Hari Singh Nalwa was wasted. I think Ranjit Singh should have looked to the east and crossed The Satluj boundary and marched towards Patiala and then Delhi, his army was strong he would have defeated everyone on the way. However, I think Ranjit Singh did not have the confidence. Hari Singh without a doubt would have reached Delhi.Another reason was that Ranjit Singh died when he was relatively, he wasnot even 60. One further reason for the defeat was that the civel war that followed wiped out practically the whole family of the Ranjit Singh and the Dogras and the purbias played the ir part. The first thing the Goras did was (the treaty of Amritsar )rewarded these traitors.
I think the Marathas wanted to take the credit after the mutiny, other thing I think was like the Sikhs, Marathas had suffered so many casuaities they did not want loose any more lives.
I have never ever supported a saparate Sikh State,however I do that states should be given some autonomy.
Ranjit Singh had a point on conquering unproductive areas. He wanted to nullify the threat from Afghanistan which always had been to Sikhs. So I support him on this but Ranjit Singh should have crossed south of Satluj and conquered areas around Delhi to insure a big and efficient buffer zone between main Sikh land and English. Ranjit Singh never checked the potential threat i.e English. he should have negotiated with Afghans against English. Ranjit Singh must not have entertained English at all. He let them pass his empire and English calculated his power and started to undermine it right-away.

Family feud always been the main reason for downfall of any empire on Indian subcontinent. Chattarpati Bonsale and Peshwa family feud were responsible for the downfall of the Maratha empire along with cunning nature of later sardars of Maratha empire. At the time of Bajirao no one even ever thought of betraying the peshwa as Bajirao always led the head of the army personally unlike Balaji Bajirao who would sit at Pune and order the march and let the Maratha sardars do what they want.

English main objective was to conquer India by hook or by crook. They always looked out for the loopholes in empires. Gulab Singh wanted to free himself from the servitude of Sikhs and this very thing was figured out by the English and they'd exploit it against the Sikhs in later time.

Marathas had a strategic to bring the fire to enemies' boundaries not to own. Bajirao was determined enough to throw off the Muslim empires out of India but when he advanced further in North he came to realize the most heartbreaking reality that Rajputs being Hindus ready to fight off Marathas. Bajirao could quell the Rajput states but for the sake of Hinduism he'd make treaties with them and not to hurt them, would reinstall Mohammed Shah after deposing him.
Likewise Marathas, Sikhs should have brought the fire to enemies' boundaries rather than fighting in their own.

Marathas never wanted to take credit after Mutiny. Only the Brahmin princely states of Maratha empire would rebel against the British. Sikhs were not the only to support British but it was again Rajputs and Jats who would support British to quell Indians despite the fact, there was a sheer numbers of Rajput sepoys among the Indian rebels.
mard singh

Bathgate, UK

#282 Jun 18, 2011
Oh yes, one point I missed is that the contribution made by Punjab during the freedom struggle. I am surprised and shocked to see how little is known about the sacrifices made by Punjabis in general and Sikhs in particular.
Sikhs alone made more then 80% of the sacrifices in every area, that is at least more then that number;

hangings,
prison sentences,
kale pani
Rangoon prison
Punjab had movement after movement
1 Kuka or Namdhari movement started by Baba Ram Singh who started his revolt against the British by hoisting a white flag of freedom in April 1857, one month before the mutiny. His companions were blown up with canons by the British and he died in Rangoon prison. He started the non cooperation movement in 1872 to which Gandhi was accredited with later on.
2. Babar Akali movement had hundreds of them hanged.
3. Gadhar Movement which had hundreds of their members hanged. Two of their best members were Shaheed Kartar Singh Sarabha youngest person be hanged at 18, and Shaheed Udham Singh.
In 1996, a secret documents on this movement were released by the British Government and it was published in a Directory form by Punjabi University Patiala in 1997.It contains names and background of every one who was involved in Gadhar Movement in 1934, 95% of them were Punjabi most of them were Sikhs.
4. Bharat Naujawan Sabha was popular in Punjab but also Maharashtra. Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev were Shaheeds -two of the main ones .
5. Azad Hind Fauz - Indian National Army.- was formed by General Mohan Singh later S C BOSE took the main credit, many Punjabis killed.
6. Jallianwalla Bagh, the massacre that ended the Raj was in Amritsar, Punjab. Thousands of Punjabis were killed.

Punjab was THE centre of revolution followed by Bengal and Maharashtra was a distant 3rd or even 4th or 5th.
Please read more before saying what you said earlier.
Ajit singh

Delhi, India

#283 Jun 18, 2011
mard singh wrote:
Oh yes, one point I missed is that the contribution made by Punjab during the freedom struggle. I am surprised and shocked to see how little is known about the sacrifices made by Punjabis in general and Sikhs in particular.
Sikhs alone made more then 80% of the sacrifices in every area, that is at least more then that number;
hangings,
prison sentences,
kale pani
Rangoon prison
Punjab had movement after movement
1 Kuka or Namdhari movement started by Baba Ram Singh who started his revolt against the British by hoisting a white flag of freedom in April 1857, one month before the mutiny. His companions were blown up with canons by the British and he died in Rangoon prison. He started the non cooperation movement in 1872 to which Gandhi was accredited with later on.
2. Babar Akali movement had hundreds of them hanged.
3. Gadhar Movement which had hundreds of their members hanged. Two of their best members were Shaheed Kartar Singh Sarabha youngest person be hanged at 18, and Shaheed Udham Singh.

4. Bharat Naujawan Sabha was popular in Punjab but also Maharashtra. Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev were Shaheeds -two of the main ones .
5. Azad Hind Fauz - Indian National Army.- was formed by General Mohan Singh later S C BOSE took the main credit, many Punjabis killed.
6. Jallianwalla Bagh, the massacre that ended the Raj was in Amritsar, Punjab. Thousands of Punjabis were killed.
Punjab was THE centre of revolution followed by Bengal and Maharashtra was a distant 3rd or even 4th or 5th.
Please read more before saying what you said earlier.
O man !!! It looks you are blinded by your faith, rise about it !! Do not be so racist, religionist and Regionalistic.
Now you are trying the justify that even in Mutiny it was Sikhs who inflamed it.
80%? or 100%? or more than 100%? Where did you get this figure?
Let me tell you one thing, most of Sikhs died because of Military indiscipline not for the sake of nationalism.
Gadar party itself had many Hindus mostly Brahmins from Maharastra and South. Moreover Ghadar party was founded by Lala Har dayal. now zip your lip.
Udham Singh just wanted revenge for killing of his relatives at Jallianwalla Bagh so Bhagat Singh.

Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev were Shaheeds .. I am known about this fact. Sukhdev was a dogri Hindu. However Rajguru was the first to fire at Saunders even when Bhagat singh rejected this idea... after Rajguru shot Saunders , he fell off his bike and later 5 bullets were fired by Bhagat Singh. Bhagat singh adopted Arya Samaj faith no wonder what sikhs do to make it look lie.

Bhagat singh worked under Chandrasekhar Azad and pandit Ram prasad 'Bismil'. first one is recognised as his mentor .. for the sake of your ego, we can dis and Shun Azad and Bismil. They were the biggest revolutionary of that time .. go and search in english papers of that time .. unrest in Punjab was mostly in east punjab which is haryana today where Peasant uprising took place from early 20th C.E until 1947.
Your problem is that you think, everything with word " fight" belongs to Sikhs but that's not the case mate ..
Azad HInd Fauj was full of war prisoners, made by Japan against British Indian Army and Bose was a staunch Hindu, everybody knows about that..
Jalliawallah ended the British raj?.. I am surprised!! no comment on it ..

You seem to be anti Maharastra in thinking, ain't you? Uprising in Maharastra was like lighting the match box.. Pune, Nashik, Satara, Sangli, Aurangabad, Thane, Kanpur, Lucknow, Jhansi, Kolkatta, Bhopal, Delhi, Surat, Meerut, Lahore were the main centres of revolution.. Punjab topped in recruiting soldiers to British Indian Army.. Chapekar brothers are the only example in british history of India, where three brothers from one family were hanged.

First I thought I am talking to an educated sikh but now it seems I am talking to a fanatic sikh
Sagar grg

Europe

#284 Jun 18, 2011
I m proud of gorakha..........
"gorkha is the best fighter in the world"..,...:::
:
Fact

Australia

#285 Jun 19, 2011
Sagar grg wrote:
I m proud of gorakha..........
"gorkha is the best fighter in the world"..,...:::
:
Dear Sagar Grg,
The Dark Chinki Gurkha r nothing but the contract solders,
whoever pay them they fight for them, when india pay them they fight from indian site, when british pay , fight from british site
if another nation start to recruit them, they start to fight for them too

they fight all the illigal war of western alongside with englishmen because of money, not for nationality or other cause, thet is not called bravery mite, that is not a patrioism


The relation is just like, owner n servent, owner pays for servent
ya ofcource gurkha are the loyal servents,if tommorow india and britain start a war,the gurkhs don't mind to kill another gurkha from opposite site,although both of them r nepalese citizen,because they r loyal to their owner
u gurkha r just d Bafadar Naukar not the Bahadur

and MR Grg, what i know is, ruling class of nepal r from indian looking people not the gurkha, because u people only know to fight for money,and cleaver ino-aryans manage to rule u people.
Fact

Australia

#286 Jun 19, 2011
Sagar grg wrote:
I m proud of gorakha..........
"gorkha is the best fighter in the world"..,...:::
:
Sagar grg wrote:
I m proud of gorakha..........
"gorkha is the best fighter in the world"..,...:::
:
Dear Sagar Grg,
The Dark Chinki Gurkha r nothing but the contract solders,
whoever pay them they fight for them, when india pay them they fight from indian site, when british pay , fight from british site
if another nation start to recruit them, they start to fight for them too

they fight all the illigal war of western alongside with englishmen because of money, not for nationality or other cause, thet is not called bravery mite, that is not a patrioism


The relation is just like, owner n servent, owner pays for servent
ya ofcource gurkha are the loyal servents,if tommorow india and britain start a war,the gurkhs don't mind to kill another gurkha from opposite site,although both of them r nepalese citizen,because they r loyal to their owner
u gurkha r just d Bafadar Naukar not the Bahadur

and MR Grg, what i know is, ruling class of nepal r from indian looking people not the gurkha, because u people only know to fight for money,and cleaver ino-aryans manage to rule u people.
mard singh

London, UK

#287 Jun 20, 2011
Ajit singh wrote:
<quoted text>
O man !!! It looks you are blinded by your faith, rise about it !! Do not be so racist, religionist and Regionalistic.
Now you are trying the justify that even in Mutiny it was Sikhs who inflamed it.
80%? or 100%? or more than 100%? Where did you get this figure?
Let me tell you one thing, most of Sikhs died because of Military indiscipline not for the sake of nationalism.
Gadar party itself had many Hindus mostly Brahmins from Maharastra and South. Moreover Ghadar party was founded by Lala Har dayal. now zip your lip.
Udham Singh just wanted revenge for killing of his relatives at Jallianwalla Bagh so Bhagat Singh.
Bhagat Singh and Sukhdev were Shaheeds .. I am known about this fact. Sukhdev was a dogri Hindu. However Rajguru was the first to fire at Saunders even when Bhagat singh rejected this idea... after Rajguru shot Saunders , he fell off his bike and later 5 bullets were fired by Bhagat Singh. Bhagat singh adopted Arya Samaj faith no wonder what sikhs do to make it look lie.
Bhagat singh worked under Chandrasekhar Azad and pandit Ram prasad 'Bismil'. first one is recognised as his mentor .. for the sake of your ego, we can dis and Shun Azad and Bismil. They were the biggest revolutionary of that time .. go and search in english papers of that time .. unrest in Punjab was mostly in east punjab which is haryana today where Peasant uprising took place from early 20th C.E until 1947.
Your problem is that you think, everything with word " fight" belongs to Sikhs but that's not the case mate ..
Azad HInd Fauj was full of war prisoners, made by Japan against British Indian Army and Bose was a staunch Hindu, everybody knows about that..
Jalliawallah ended the British raj?.. I am surprised!! no comment on it ..
You seem to be anti Maharastra in thinking, ain't you? Uprising in Maharastra was like lighting the match box.. Pune, Nashik, Satara, Sangli, Aurangabad, Thane, Kanpur, Lucknow, Jhansi, Kolkatta, Bhopal, Delhi, Surat, Meerut, Lahore were the main centres of revolution.. Punjab topped in recruiting soldiers to British Indian Army.. Chapekar brothers are the only example in british history of India, where three brothers from one family were hanged.
First I thought I am talking to an educated sikh but now it seems I am talking to a fanatic sikh
It look stupid thatyou call me all those things especially from you who spent last few days attackins Sikhism and singing the praises of Marathas.
I never said the Sikhs started the Mutiny, what I said was Baba Ram Singh did. READ MY POST AGAIN.
Figures I mentioned are can easily be accessed do some research, I dont want to do all your work for you.The figures do not include those Sikhs killed because of so called "Military indiscipline" whatever that means.I never mentioned who founded the Gadhar party, it is true that Lala Hardyal was a founder member, the membership was atleast 90% Punjabi of whome 90% were probably sikhs. Their monthly paper was published in Punjabi. That is why a number of books have been written in Punjabi on the history of Gadhar Party. I am sure not a single book has been issued in Marathi.
Dont give me history of Bhagat Singh according to Bollywood, read research papers and books and then pass judgement.You are lying again Bhagat Singh did not adopt Arya Samaj, his family were Arya Samaj.Bhagat Singh was atheist he wrote a pamphlet called "Why I am Atheist".Bhagat Singh was a communist, who had read Marxism and Socialist materil extensively.
You are again influenced by Bollywood, C Azad was not his metor, Bhagat Singh was a revolutionary who believed in replacing the capitalist system with a Socialist System, where as Azad and many others only wanted to replace British with the Indians.
Bhagat Singh respected all the freedom fighters of that genre, however his guru was Kartar Singh Sarabha, whose picture he always carried with him.
I respect and admire Azad and Bismal just like all the freedom fighters. LATER
mard singh

London, UK

#288 Jun 20, 2011
It is rediculous to say that the unrest was in Haryana which was part of Punjag anyway. The centre of activity was Lahore and Amritsar.
Who said Bose was a Sikh, read my post again; what I said was that Gen Mohan Singh was the original founder of Azad Hind Fauz, nothing more nothing less.
"Massacre That Ended The Raj" is a book written by Fred Draper, at least their are some other people who think like I do,may be you should come out of your Maratha den and see how other people think.
Jallianwala Massacre is and will always be looked upon as a single most important event in Indian history, because it changed peoples perception of the British Raj.
It does not prove anything because three brothers were hanged, it does not mean that whole of Marathaland was involved, Bhagat Singhs whole family was involved,it means nothing, Ajit Singh, Bhagat Singh's uncle was sent to Kala Pani, he came back on 14/8/1947 and died at midnight of freedom night.
I am not against any community, I just do not like some individuals in it, especilly the ones who take away the credit when it is due and also those who are fanetic and national fascists.
By the way I am an atheist, even though I am proud of my heritage.
Now if you want to reply dont get blinded by emotional nationalism.
Before you do that;
1 read what I have posted,
2 do research I can assure you I only post factual stuff. There are many topics I do not comment upon because I feel I am not sure that I can defend my views; and this issue I will go all the way.
mard singh

London, UK

#289 Jun 20, 2011
Finally the figures you wanted:
1 Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs ; excludes non Sikhs Punjabis.
2 Out of 2626 life imprisonments, 2147 were Sikhs
excludes non Sikh Puunjabis.
3 Of the 1300 killed at the Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs rest of them were almost all Punjabis
- non Sikh.
This all happened while Marathas and rest of India was sleeping.
Population of Sikhs less then 1.5%.

FInally Gadhar Party was founded Sohan Singh Bhakna with the help and inspiration of Lala Ji.

This does not include all the Sikhs killed during Gurudwara movement where many more were killed.
Chodu

San Leandro, CA

#290 Jun 20, 2011
mard singh wrote:
Finally the figures you wanted:
1 Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs ; excludes non Sikhs Punjabis.
2 Out of 2626 life imprisonments, 2147 were Sikhs
excludes non Sikh Puunjabis.
3 Of the 1300 killed at the Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs rest of them were almost all Punjabis
- non Sikh.
This all happened while Marathas and rest of India was sleeping.
Population of Sikhs less then 1.5%.
FInally Gadhar Party was founded Sohan Singh Bhakna with the help and inspiration of Lala Ji.
This does not include all the Sikhs killed during Gurudwara movement where many more were killed.
These fgures are interesting and I have seen these appear time and again and kinda seem true.

But I would like to see the source of this information and see what was teh reason for such a high number of punishments for such a small community. Considering Sikhs like any martial race were recruiting heavily in gora army and wanted to be a gora's tatta.

I am quite sure there is another side to this story...
Hello

UK

#291 Jun 21, 2011
Still waiting on Ajit sighs sources for his claim on ranjit Singh tribute to Marathas for claim on Delhi.

Looks like instead of backing it up he is spreading more lies. Bhagat Singh was arya samaj!!

I think his anti Sikh credentials have been laid bare. He is twisting history to suit his desired outcome.
Ajit Singh

Kolkata, India

#292 Jun 21, 2011
mard singh wrote:
Finally the figures you wanted:
1 Out of 121 patriots hanged 93 were Sikhs ; excludes non Sikhs Punjabis.
2 Out of 2626 life imprisonments, 2147 were Sikhs
excludes non Sikh Puunjabis.
3 Of the 1300 killed at the Jallianwala Bagh 799 were Sikhs rest of them were almost all Punjabis
- non Sikh.
This all happened while Marathas and rest of India was sleeping.
Population of Sikhs less then 1.5%.
FInally Gadhar Party was founded Sohan Singh Bhakna with the help and inspiration of Lala Ji.
This does not include all the Sikhs killed during Gurudwara movement where many more were killed.
O man. How could you think only 121 hanged? Do not juts blindly follow anything , use your brain!
To shut the mouth of all the Sikhs on this hanged topic I have brought some data. Follows are the Hindus hanged by British, though the Data is not complete but complete enough to shut the mouths of Sikhs
Surya Sen
Rajendra Lahiri
Hemu Kalani
Dinesh Chandra gupta
Gopinath Saha
Jogesh Chatterji
bejoy Kumar Sinha
Shiv Varma
Tilka manjhi
Narayan Singh Sona Khan
Tikenderjit SIngh
General Thangal
Anant Laxman Kanhre
Vinyak Narayan kanhre
Anant Hari Mitra
Krishna Gopal Karve
Pramod Ranjan Chaudhary
Amar Singh Haryanvi
Seth Amar Chand Banthia
Elluri Sitaram Raju
Ashok Nandi
Indu Bhusan Ray
Udmi Ram
Upendranath Bandhapadhay
Ullaskar Dutt
Jitendra nath rai
Baikunth Shukla
khudiram bose
Balkrishna Hari Chapekar
Vasudev Hari Chapekar
Damodar hari Chapekar
Azad
Bismil
Rajguru
Sukhdev
Satendranath Basu
Kanhai lal Dutt
Thakur Kishore Singh
Vir Kunwar Singh
Tatya tope
Prafulla Kumar Chaki
Maharana Bhaktawar Singh
Gulab Rao
Chiman Lal
Basirulla Khan
Asfhakulla khan
Mangal Pandey
Gautam Dore
Mallu Dore
charu Chandra bose
Ashutosh biswas
Chidambram Pillai
Padmanabh Iyenger
Subramaniam Shiva
Rani Chennamma
Rayanna
Jagvir
Nagarkutti
Chennvasappa
Balanna
Kunwar chain singh
Bhadur Khan
Himmat Khan
Tantiya Bhil
Tirumal Acharya

If you can then go through their profiles. Sikhs have proved again and again that they only can brag
Be realistic, never follow in emotion and please read something other than Punjabi History
Ajit Singh

Ludhiana, India

#293 Jun 21, 2011
mard singh wrote:
It is rediculous to say that the unrest was in Haryana which was part of Punjag anyway. The centre of activity was Lahore and Amritsar.
Who said Bose was a Sikh, read my post again; what I said was that Gen Mohan Singh was the original founder of Azad Hind Fauz, nothing more nothing less.
"Massacre That Ended The Raj" is a book written by Fred Draper, at least their are some other people who think like I do,may be you should come out of your Maratha den and see how other people think.
Jallianwala Massacre is and will always be looked upon as a single most important event in Indian history, because it changed peoples perception of the British Raj.
It does not prove anything because three brothers were hanged, it does not mean that whole of Marathaland was involved, Bhagat Singhs whole family was involved,it means nothing, Ajit Singh, Bhagat Singh's uncle was sent to Kala Pani, he came back on 14/8/1947 and died at midnight of freedom night.
I am not against any community, I just do not like some individuals in it, especilly the ones who take away the credit when it is due and also those who are fanetic and national fascists.
By the way I am an atheist, even though I am proud of my heritage.
Now if you want to reply dont get blinded by emotional nationalism.
Before you do that;
1 read what I have posted,
2 do research I can assure you I only post factual stuff. There are many topics I do not comment upon because I feel I am not sure that I can defend my views; and this issue I will go all the way.
your posts and written contents are hilarious. You are trying to become a historian of your own. How you feel is not history or what is written by your Sikhs in Sikhiwiki is nor history. I never followed Bollywood movies, furthermore Bollywood movies are all about Sikhs. 10 movies on Bhagat Singh, what was that?

I advise you to read " Indian peasant uprisings" by Kathleen Gough and you'll come to know about the real Punjabi resistance to British. Book says a lot about non Punjabi speakers of Punjab that's today " Haryana" who fought against British. The famous battle of Chormar is also quoted in it.

Jalliawalla Bagh was not uprising against the British but it was Baisakhi gathering. people should have ran towards the British instead of jumping in Well and dying climbing the wall. Sikhs always think even their fight inside the Gurudwaras scared away the British.. Funny

You'll also come to know about the Peasant uprisings in Maharasthra and Bengal too. Marathas never slept, lady. I am not a Maratha but I am a marathi and I am proud of my people. Please read something about why is it called " Maharastra"? I have heard about Shiv Sena in Punjab. have not you? Shiv Sena means " Army of Shivaji"

Always seek advise from wise and knowledgeable people.
What you type is everything made at your head
Ajit Singh

Ludhiana, India

#294 Jun 21, 2011
Some useful information for you and others
Revolutionary organisation formed in and outside India
Organisation Year Founder Place
India House 1905 Shyamji Krishna Verma London
Abhinav Bharat 1906 V.D. Savarkar London
Indian Independence 1907 Tarak Nath Das USA
League Ghadar Party 1913 Lala Hardayal,Tarak Nath Das & Sohan Singh Bhakna San Francisco
Indian Independence 1914 Lala Hardayal and Birendra Berlin
League Nath Chattopadhyaya Indian Independence 1915 Raja Mahendra Pratap Kabul
League & Government Indian Independence 1942 Ras Behari Bose Tokyo
League Indian National Army 1942 Ras Behari Bose Tokyo
(in 1943, INA was reorganized by Subhash Chandra Bose in Singapore.)
Revolutionay Organisation in India:
Organisation Year Founder Place
Mitra Mela 1899 Savarkar Brothers Poona
Anushilan Samiti (I) 1902 Gyanendranath Bose Midnapur
Abhinav Bharat 1904 V.D. Savarkar Poona
Swadesh Bandhav 1905 Ashwini Kumar Dutt Barisal
Samiti Anushilan Samiti (II) 1907 Birendra Kumar Ghosh and Bhupendra Dutt Dhaka
Bharat Mata Society 1907 Ajit Singh & Amba Prasad Punjab
Hindustan Republican Association 1924 Jogesh Chandra Chatterji, Sachindranath Sanyal Kanpur
Naujavan Sabha 1926 Bhagat Singh Lahore
Hindustan Socialist Republican Association
1928 Chandrashekhar Azad

And some more of Indian revolutionaries hanged by British

Basanta Kumar Biswas
Vinayak Despande
Bhai Bal Mukand
Bhai Parmanand
Tarekeshwar Dastidar
Jadagia
Baalya
Thakur Roshan Singh
Roshan Lal
Babarao Savarkar
Ajit Singh

Ludhiana, India

#295 Jun 22, 2011
I am back again with some sorties

Veerapandiya Kattabomman
Dheeran Chinnamalai
Maruthu Pandiyar brothers
Oomaithurai
Ishwari Prasad
Kadu Makrani
Durga Malla
Nahar Singh
Kushal Singh
Gulab Singh Saini
Bhura Singh
Madan Lal Dhingra
Pandit Kanshi Ram
Vishnu Ganesh Pingle
Pir Sahib
Sibghatullah Shah Rashidi
Jayee Rajguru
Laxman Nayak

Never come again saying, 93 out of 121 hanged by British were Sikhs. Sikhs are the biggest liars they have been fooling the Indian by this figure. I bet you cannot even name 20 Sikhs hanged by British
mard singh

London, UK

#297 Jun 22, 2011
NOTE the first figure is the Sikhs and the second figure is the total Indians , eg
1 SIKHS HANGED 91 OUT OF 121
2 LIFE IMPRISONMENT SIKHS 2147 OUT OF 2848
3 JALLIANWALA BAGH 799 SIKHS OUT OF 1300
4. BAJ BAJ PORT SIKHS 67 OUT OF 113
5 KUKA LEHAR SIKHS 91 OUT OF 91
6 GURUDWARA LEHAR SIKHS 531 OUT OF 531

TOTAL SIKHS 3728 OUT OF 4771

You Ajit Singh appear to me to be a type of person who went out in anti Sikh riots in 1984.
Ajit Singh

Ludhiana, India

#298 Jun 22, 2011
mard singh wrote:
NOTE the first figure is the Sikhs and the second figure is the total Indians , eg
1 SIKHS HANGED 91 OUT OF 121
2 LIFE IMPRISONMENT SIKHS 2147 OUT OF 2848
3 JALLIANWALA BAGH 799 SIKHS OUT OF 1300
4. BAJ BAJ PORT SIKHS 67 OUT OF 113
5 KUKA LEHAR SIKHS 91 OUT OF 91
6 GURUDWARA LEHAR SIKHS 531 OUT OF 531
TOTAL SIKHS 3728 OUT OF 4771
You Ajit Singh appear to me to be a type of person who went out in anti Sikh riots in 1984.
Are you crazy or what?
I have typed down the names of 93 martyrs who hanged to death by British and you are still saying : Sikhs HANGED 91 out of 121.. Have you lost your mind or what?

Total prisoners sent to Cellular jail ( Kala pani): 43,000

Now your figures are even changed. Get out of day dreaming boy!!

No, I was very tittle when 84 happened. Neighbours say, my dad helped shaving 4 Sikhs and saved them one sikh what my bro say, was a good man and had Paani pudi rehdi.. so on ..
but now I regret why he saved .. because of your attitude and thinking
mard singh

London, UK

#299 Jun 22, 2011
Ajit Singh: Do you know what your problem is?
Your problem is that you are a Hindu nationalist who is not willing to accept that India is a multi religious country and the non Hindus have also contributed to the well being of India. Your chauvinism has blinded you. You are cofused about the numbers because figures I gave you are the recognised figures by historians. I may not agree with them either, however, these are not the figures produced by Sikh historians but by non Sikhs.
Even if I was to reject those figures, my arguement is still valid as far more Sikhs gave their lives then any other community of India.
Let me give you some more data-- which will be very painful for you:
1. 879 Sikhs sentenced to death in Burma for
refusing to fight.
2. 1824 army mutiny 211 Sikhs killed in gun fire,
18 hanged.
3. 14 Oct 1925, 2 Sikh soldiers hanged ,refused to
suprss Assamese.
4. 1882 rebelion of Ludhiana 42 Skhs martyred.
5. 1915-1916 "The Lahore Conspiracy Case". 24th
Nov. 1917 12 Sikhs hanged, 24 other Sikhs got
death sentences from different courts.
6. 1914-1915 In Lahore Central Jail 18 Babbars and
Gadharites hanged all Sikhs, and 28 Sikhs
locked up for life.
7. 5 Sikhs hanged in "Lahore Supplementary Case"
91 got life and 90 were Sikhs, 50 got other
sentences, 49 were Sikhs.

The list goes on and on and on

There is a Desh Bhagat Yadhgar in Jalandhar Punjab
-- I have visited it twice -- it is a very big
complex, built with public donations from all
over the world; there are photographs of most
Gadhar fighters- where available- and at least
90% to 95% are Sikhs.

Ask your self this question ; Why is the Yadgar in Jalandhar? Why is it not in some other part of India?
My own answer is that WE VALUE OUR SHAHEEDS.

One other problem with you is that unlike me you do not look at Sikhs as freedom fighters but as those who contributed nothing or very little

I value all Shaheeds irespective of what religion or State of India they belonged to.
To me Bismal,Azad,Dhingra, etc are my Shaheed and I love them all.

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