Are Ghorewaha really Rajput as they c...

Are Ghorewaha really Rajput as they claim or they are really a traitor clan?

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shaitan singh rajpurohit

Mumbai, India

#2 Jun 1, 2012
a real rajput cant be tratior biggest tratior of india is
sikh.
Bobby Bains

United States

#4 Jun 1, 2012
I found the following fib on Ghorewahas online. According to their own claims they got favours from Ghauri for treachery against Hindus.

Another stupidity in this claim below is that Jaipur was not even built in Ghauri's era. So this "Raja" Hawaha was some low caste scoundrel or pretender who got awareded by sworn enemey of Rajputs for some act of treachery.

"Subsequently, the then Muslim Ruler of India, Sultan Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghauri, awarded him and his brother, Raja Kachwaha, ownership of as much land as they could encircle on horseback from dawn to dusk in a single day on either side of the Sutlej River. Raja Hawaha encircled an area comprising 1,860 villages north of the Sutlej whereas his brother, Raja Kachwaha, took an area south of the Sutlej. Raja Kachwaha, thereafter, returned to his ancestral home in Jaipur, Rajasthan whereas Raja Hahawa settled on his newly acquired lands in the Punjab, hence the reason why the Ghorewaha are primarily settled in the Punjab region of modern-day Pakistan and India."
ustad

Dagenham, UK

#5 Jun 1, 2012
The Gazetteer of the Hoshiarpur District (1883-4) says that

... The country immediately north of Garhshankar is occupied by Hindu Rajputs of the Bhanot clan; and Garhshankar itself, and the villages southward as far as Balachaur, are owned by Ghorewaha Rajputs, who are Musalmans [Muslims] near Garhshankar, and Hindus near Balachaur...The Ghorewahas are found in tahsil [district] Garhshankar; near Balachaur they have adhered to Hinduism; further north, in the direction of Garhshankar, they are Musalmans...The chaudhris of Garhshankar, Balachaur, Bana, Taunsa and Saroa of the Ghorewaha clan are well known. Of the other Muhammadan [Muslim] clans, besides the Ghorewahas, noticed above, a few Manj and Bhatti Rajputs are found in different parts of the district...The Rajput Akbari families[3] of this district are those of Garhshankar (Ghorewaha) and Hariana (Naru)...(pp. 55-58):[1]
ustad

Reading, UK

#6 Jun 1, 2012
Bobby Bains wrote:
I found the following fib on Ghorewahas online. According to their own claims they got favours from Ghauri for treachery against Hindus.
Another stupidity in this claim below is that Jaipur was not even built in Ghauri's era. So this "Raja" Hawaha was some low caste scoundrel or pretender who got awareded by sworn enemey of Rajputs for some act of treachery.
"Subsequently, the then Muslim Ruler of India, Sultan Shahabuddin Muhammad Ghauri, awarded him and his brother, Raja Kachwaha, ownership of as much land as they could encircle on horseback from dawn to dusk in a single day on either side of the Sutlej River. Raja Hawaha encircled an area comprising 1,860 villages north of the Sutlej whereas his brother, Raja Kachwaha, took an area south of the Sutlej. Raja Kachwaha, thereafter, returned to his ancestral home in Jaipur, Rajasthan whereas Raja Hahawa settled on his newly acquired lands in the Punjab, hence the reason why the Ghorewaha are primarily settled in the Punjab region of modern-day Pakistan and India."
Oy bobby bains there are numerous bains musalmans in pakistan punjab they say you are from janjua rajputs who in pakistan are all musalmans. all you hinu brahmans sikhs recieved favour from muslim rulers you fought on their sides for favours. why you hate ?
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#7 Jun 1, 2012
Yes , I have heard similar things about Ghorewahas in Hoshiarpur. They are called Gaddar Quam . Before partition they were very cozy with Ranghars who were universally hated by Sikhs and Hindus too. These rascals were converted Hindus who got rewarded for their betrayal of their own people.. Musalman Ghorewaha and Ranghars are same.

You make a good point. Ghori is the most hated figure among Hindus and Sikks. If Ghorewahas got rewards from him they have to be some traitor clan like that of Jaichand. Jailchand is considered the greatest Hindu traitor because he sided with Ghori against Prithbiiraj Chauhan .
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#8 Jun 1, 2012
Ustad,

Bobby made good point. Those Hindus who fought along with people like Ghori are considered traitors in India and are hated by all.

I can tell you from actual experience . Hindu and Sikh Rajputs do not intermarry with these so called Ghorewaha Rajputs .People have serious doubts origin of this clan.
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#9 Jun 1, 2012
Also all that stuff you are quoting is written by some gora clerk of British Raj who was not a historian. English era gazettes contain a lot of crap. No historian has regarded Ghorewahas as Rajputs.
Rabb Jooth Na Bulawe

Toronto, Canada

#10 Jun 2, 2012
Ghorewaha hovay ya Khotaywaha...ki farak painda hai. Ki rakheya hai zataan vich.

Vaisay eh gall sahi hai jis quam ne Muhammad Ghori vargay soor da sath ditta hovay, uho quam gaddar kahan de layak hi hai.
raja azhar ali chauhan

Islamabad, Pakistan

#11 Jun 16, 2012
ghorewaha are the sub clan of chauhan rajputs like of the ranghars they comes under 36 agnikola the hada chauhan is their ancestor.
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#12 Jun 16, 2012
raja azhar ali chauhan wrote:
ghorewaha are the sub clan of chauhan rajputs like of the ranghars they comes under 36 agnikola the hada chauhan is their ancestor.
No body knows what their actual origin is. They are most likely impostors . Sikh and Hindu Chauhans found in Hoshiarpur do not consider themselves related with them.
Khan

Croydon, UK

#13 Jun 16, 2012
Minhas wrote:
Also all that stuff you are quoting is written by some gora clerk of British Raj who was not a historian. English era gazettes contain a lot of crap. No historian has regarded Ghorewahas as Rajputs.
yes well we know rajputs are a gandu race anyway. rajputs could never stop the muslims from invading India instead they give their women to muslim kings and soldiers to keep their raj safe. whether ghorewaha or rathore all send women into moghul harem.

Minhas ? Do you know what your name means? it means you were rajput who began to do farming and were outcasted from Jamwal family of rajputs. most of you rajputs are nothing but farmers which is against hinduism for kshitrya to farm.
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#14 Jun 16, 2012
Farming is allowed to Kshatriyas when circumstances require. Sikh Minhas never betrayed their own people nor gave women to Muslims like some other traitors like Ghorewaha did. Nor did we leave our religion for fear or greed.

You are most likely somebody whose great grand mother was taken as booty of war and then raped. You descend from the helpless converted slaves. Most Pakistans are converted slaves from among lower caste Hindus.
Khan

Croydon, UK

#15 Jun 16, 2012
Minhas wrote:
Farming is allowed to Kshatriyas when circumstances require. Sikh Minhas never betrayed their own people nor gave women to Muslims like some other traitors like Ghorewaha did. Nor did we leave our religion for fear or greed.
You are most likely somebody whose great grand mother was taken as booty of war and then raped. You descend from the helpless converted slaves. Most Pakistans are converted slaves from among lower caste Hindus.
i know many muslim minhas they call themselves Jatt who are they ? descendent of hindu minhas who gave women ?
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#16 Jun 16, 2012
Khan wrote:
<quoted text>i know many muslim minhas they call themselves Jatt who are they ? descendent of hindu minhas who gave women ?
Many weak people from the community converted to get freedom from Jaziya. The scum of the Hindu society converted to Islam for fear or greed during Mughal rule. Pakistanis are the descendants of this scum. The chaff went to Islam , the grain remained with Hinduism and later Sikhism.

When Minhas Rajputs took Jat concubines , their children became Jat. Muslim Jat Minhas are converts from them. So are Virk Jats.
Khan

Croydon, UK

#17 Jun 17, 2012
Minhas wrote:
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Many weak people from the community converted to get freedom from Jaziya. The scum of the Hindu society converted to Islam for fear or greed during Mughal rule. Pakistanis are the descendants of this scum. The chaff went to Islam , the grain remained with Hinduism and later Sikhism.
When Minhas Rajputs took Jat concubines , their children became Jat. Muslim Jat Minhas are converts from them. So are Virk Jats.
Scum of hindu society? fudi dya why your Gurus not stick to hindu gods why they talk about Wahe-Guru and Allah as same God ? Why they invent new religion? maderchod u hindus were never one country or one religion. before muslims came you were busy fighting one another for each others women and forts. Go study and you will find that Ghori, ghazni most of these were called into India by hindus for help against their hindu enemies. baki mere lun te char. you minhas are considered scum of Jammu as none of rajputs will inter-marry with you so what option did you have but to give your daughters to muslims. fcukin prck!
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#18 Jun 17, 2012
Khan, you are no Khan. You are an Azral or Ajlaf. Sign in with your correct Islamic identity. Pathans and Syeds despise you as low breeds.

You are a descendant of a humble slave girl who was raped as the booty of war. By coverting to the faith of the victor , you do not become the actual descendant of the victor.

Or perhaps your poor and exploited ancestor converted to Islam to get freedom from Jaziya. Either way you are of questionable pedigree, you Azral!

And you fool the word Waheguru is not used once in Granth Sahib. All the words used for God are common with Hinduism.

Further you fool Jamwals and Minhas are considrered to br the descendants of the same ancestor and hence not intermarry. We are not like you Muslims to marry our own cousins.
Minhas

Toronto, Canada

#19 Jun 17, 2012
The most common words used for God in Sikhism are : Ram , Gobind , Gopal, Madho, Sarangpani, Mukand, Krishan tc. All these words come from Hindu traditions and texts of various kinds.

The term Allah is used very rarely . Muhammad's name is not used once.

Sikhism and Hinduism believe in reincarnation. Islam does not.

Yet this Azral Musalman (aka Khan) thinks that Sikhism has more commonality with Islam than Hinduism .
Khan

Croydon, UK

#20 Jun 18, 2012
Minhas wrote:
Khan, you are no Khan. You are an Azral or Ajlaf. Sign in with your correct Islamic identity. Pathans and Syeds despise you as low breeds.
You are a descendant of a humble slave girl who was raped as the booty of war. By coverting to the faith of the victor , you do not become the actual descendant of the victor.
Or perhaps your poor and exploited ancestor converted to Islam to get freedom from Jaziya. Either way you are of questionable pedigree, you Azral!
And you fool the word Waheguru is not used once in Granth Sahib. All the words used for God are common with Hinduism.
Further you fool Jamwals and Minhas are considrered to br the descendants of the same ancestor and hence not intermarry. We are not like you Muslims to marry our own cousins.
There is no such thing as Ajlaf Ashraf Pathan u moron. Only in your dirty brainwashed skull. Maybe it existed when early Jatt rajputs brahmanins converted but no longer exists. Kashmir/Punjab saw plenty of religious revolutions that lead many people to convert. Here are some examples for you. from book dabistan or school of manners.

Jaganath, eight years old, is the son of a Jnánín­dra; he brought a puppy into a house where an idol was worshipped, put him there in the idol's place, and drew the mark of cast on his head. The boy was asked:“What art thou doing?” He answered:“The stone has no life; why should you not rather worship the puppy than this idol? Besides, each person worships what he finds agreeable. Because this worship is a play, I play with this dog.” And none of the people of the house raised a hand on account of the boy's liberty, but uttered blessings upon him.

Pertábmal Chadah (Chadah is a tribe of Ksha­triyas) is a Jnání.
In the house of Pertábmal was an idol which the Hindus worship. A mouse having made a hole in his furniture, he put the whole idol, instead of a lump of earth, into the mouse-hole, in order to shut the passage. The Hindus said:“What art thou about?” He answered:“The deity who cannot obstruct the road of a mouse, and settle any thing with a mouse, how will he protect me, and pre­serve me from the tyranny of the Muselmans?” In like manner Pertábmal had in his house a Siva­lingam, which is a post of stone which the Hindus venerate: having carried this lingam out of his house, like a post, he tied a dog to it.

So yes we can say that Islam had a major effect on the religions of hindustan. None of the Sikh Gurus worshipped idols rather they forbade it. They were more inclined with Sufism. All Sikh gurus preached in unity of God. You can give God whatever glorious name you please but He is still One somthing that Islam brought into sub-continent to you lingum worshipers.
i am hindu jat

Mumbai, India

#22 Jun 18, 2012
Minhas wrote:
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No body knows what their actual origin is. They are most likely impostors . Sikh and Hindu Chauhans found in Hoshiarpur do not consider themselves related with them.
what about punjabi speaking hindu jats?i heard some punjabi speaking
hindu jats live in hoshiarpur.and what is their last name?
Bobby Bains

United States

#23 Jun 18, 2012
i am hindu jat wrote:
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what about punjabi speaking hindu jats?i heard some punjabi speaking
hindu jats live in hoshiarpur.and what is their last name?
I can answer this one. They have the same surnames as Sikh Jatts and are indistinguishable, except that they also revere Devis whose worhip is very popular in sub-mountainous region. Some Jats follow Arya Samaj. Shaheed Bhagat Singh's family was Arya Samaji.He was a Sandhu Jat from Nawan Shehr which was previously part of Hoshiarpur. Culturally and ethnically there is no difference except that some Jatt families follow hindu religious practices. If you have heard the name of famous bandit Jeona Mohr. He was a devotee of Naina Devi.

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