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birdman

Mattoon, IL

#1 Nov 1, 2012
ALF says there are TWO GODS!

Would someone show in Scripture where there are TWO FATHERS.

I cannt seem to find the Text in my Bible about there being TWO Eternal Fathers.

I have asked them for texts before but no show.

Help Me Please. THANKS
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#2 Nov 1, 2012
birdman wrote:
ALF says there are TWO GODS!
Would someone show in Scripture where there are TWO FATHERS.
I cannt seem to find the Text in my Bible about there being TWO Eternal Fathers.
I have asked them for texts before but no show.
Help Me Please. THANKS
Well said. The ALF are duplicitous.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#3 Nov 1, 2012
birdman wrote:
ALF says there are TWO GODS!
Would someone show in Scripture where there are TWO FATHERS.
I cannt seem to find the Text in my Bible about there being TWO Eternal Fathers.
I have asked them for texts before but no show.
Help Me Please. THANKS
There are two--the father of lies and the Creator Father God.
Dennis

Yucaipa, CA

#4 Nov 1, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> There are two--the father of lies and the Creator Father God.
Just as there are two gods; the god of the dead, and the God of the Living.

This is expressed as two kingdoms, the kingdom of the world, and the Kingdom of the Heavens. There are, therefore, two kings; the king of the kingdom of the world as seen in Rev. 13:11 (Satan), and the King of the Kingdom of the Heavens as seen in Rev. 5:9-10.

At the sounding of the 7th Trumpet there is shown a transfer of the power of the kingdom of the world to the Kingdom of Heaven, which then becomes the Kingdom of God:

"Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” Rev. 11:15.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#5 Nov 1, 2012
Dennis wrote:
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Just as there are two gods; the god of the dead, and the God of the Living.
This is expressed as two kingdoms, the kingdom of the world, and the Kingdom of the Heavens. There are, therefore, two kings; the king of the kingdom of the world as seen in Rev. 13:11 (Satan), and the King of the Kingdom of the Heavens as seen in Rev. 5:9-10.
At the sounding of the 7th Trumpet there is shown a transfer of the power of the kingdom of the world to the Kingdom of Heaven, which then becomes the Kingdom of God:
"Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” Rev. 11:15.
Good post and it explains this very well.

However, there are those who say there is ONE God verses others who say there are more than One God because they call The almighty Father one God and Jesus Christ another God. What they are doing is forgeting what Jesus said in Matthew 28, that the word "God" means the Family of God, the Father, Mother (Holy Spirit) and the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Just as I have ONE family name with different members of the family, so does the Family of God.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#6 Nov 1, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> There are two--the father of lies and the Creator Father God.
I agree there is a God of Heaven and there is in Scripture satan the god of this world.

ALF teaches TWO GODS in HEAVEN, that is why I posted this.
ROBERT TWO

Kent Town, Australia

#7 Nov 1, 2012
birdman wrote:
ALF says there are TWO GODS!
Would someone show in Scripture where there are TWO FATHERS.
I cannt seem to find the Text in my Bible about there being TWO Eternal Fathers.
I have asked them for texts before but no show.
Help Me Please. THANKS
The SON can prepresent the FATHER but is still not the FATHER.
ONLY one GOD and no other.
ROBERT TWO

Kent Town, Australia

#8 Nov 1, 2012
The only TRUTH there is on the subject !!!!!!!!!!
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Good post and it explains this very well.
However, there are those who say there is ONE God verses others who say there are more than One God because they call The almighty Father one God and Jesus Christ another God. What they are doing is forgeting what Jesus said in Matthew 28, that the word "God" means the Family of God, the Father, Mother (Holy Spirit) and the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Just as I have ONE family name with different members of the family, so does the Family of God.
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#9 Nov 1, 2012
birdman wrote:
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I agree there is a God of Heaven and there is in Scripture satan the god of this world.
ALF teaches TWO GODS in HEAVEN, that is why I posted this.
You are right.
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#10 Nov 1, 2012
ROBERT TWO wrote:
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The SON can prepresent the FATHER but is still not the FATHER.
ONLY one GOD and no other.
And you are right too, but not about the doctrine of an IJ.
ROBERT TWO

Australia

#11 Nov 1, 2012
Better stuff wrote:
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And you are right too, but not about the doctrine of an IJ.
You know nothing about I(J.
It is only INVESTAGTIVE. Just for checking upon.
Anon

Elk Rapids, MI

#12 Nov 4, 2012
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#13 Nov 4, 2012
Anon wrote:
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
"Voice", what ails you? Did a Jesuit break your heart?
Robert Two

Australia

#14 Nov 4, 2012
Anon wrote:
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
You have given this sertious thpought I see.
Peoplke try to find CLEVER ANSWERS but not TRUTH.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#15 Nov 4, 2012
Anon wrote:
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
AMEN AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!!!
Earthcaller

United States

#16 Nov 4, 2012
Anon wrote:
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
Rubbish Read John 1:1, there were originally two in eternity and this is clearly revealed in Revelation 4, the 7 Spirits of God before the throne. There is no logical progression of any Trinity doctrine since
there is no Trinity in John 1:1, neither is there a Trinity in Rev 22:1. So how do you equate Revelation 22:1 with a progression of the Trinity since it reveals a duality? You need to think before you talk.
Robert Two

Cumberland Park, Australia

#17 Nov 4, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
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Rubbish Read John 1:1, there were originally two in eternity and this is clearly revealed in Revelation 4, the 7 Spirits of God before the throne. There is no logical progression of any Trinity doctrine since
there is no Trinity in John 1:1, neither is there a Trinity in Rev 22:1. So how do you equate Revelation 22:1 with a progression of the Trinity since it reveals a duality? You need to think before you talk.
Earthcaller.
JOHN 1:1 is not a head count.
But yes TRINITY is CAtholic for sure.
Pioneer

Mesa, AZ

#18 Nov 4, 2012
birdman wrote:
ALF says there are TWO GODS!
Would someone show in Scripture where there are TWO FATHERS.
I cannt seem to find the Text in my Bible about there being TWO Eternal Fathers.
I have asked them for texts before but no show.
Help Me Please. THANKS
Two Gods in the beginning who created all things.

Three Gods Now..
Gen.:1 In the beginning God (Elohims) created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

TWO

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

TWO

16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.

Jesus on earth born at Bethlehem speaks of the Father in heaven.

TWO
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,[that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while,

and ye shall see me,

because I go to the Father.

... 16:17 Then said [some] of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

THe disciples did not understand that Jesus was that spirit who would come, and be with them in that Holy Spirit...for he said...

14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless:

I will come to you.

THREE

Then in the New Heaven and the New Earth there are TWO again.

Two thrones the Holy spirit, where did he go?

Answer that dear friends, and you have your answer and it is Bible for there are TWO thrones in the New Heaven and the New Earth. Where does that Spirit go and abide?
For he is not mentioned in NH & the NE but it abides in WHOM?

Not a separate being but in whom?

That is the answer for you poor folks who cannot understand Spiritual Matters and so that Spirit of Truth keeps you locked in to the Trinity or one god like robert two & birdman and you are confused, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Pioneer

Mesa, AZ

#19 Nov 4, 2012
Better stuff wrote:
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Well said. The ALF are duplicitous.
BS's & birdman’s, purpose here is to screw with peoples heads it is the tactic of the enemy.

The mindset of a Jesuit to manipulate and confuse. They manipulate what other people have said to make it appear that they have told a lie and it is perpetuated here in one liners consistently. That is what BS and birdman do here constantly, standing against the truth of the Word of God. Then they say other people do not believe scripture.

On not one occasion have Better Stuff or birdman provided any evidence to their claims. With no evidence to back up their claims they are perpetuating lies.
Pioneer

Mesa, AZ

#20 Nov 4, 2012
Anon wrote:
Actually they say there was only two in eternity past. And in eternity present there are three God's. Then in eternity future back to two.
They are so confused. I guess one of their God's is not eternal.....
This is what happens when your founder learns at the feet of Jesuit Trinitarians posing as Adventist.
If they actually studied where their doctrine is currently and it's past developement, well they have and they are most anxious to ignore the truth that their teachings are just the logical progression of the Trinity doctrine. But, what better way to disguise and hide this fact than to attack the doctrines origins. Classic Jesuit influence!!!!
Only the Father hath Immortality The God Jesus Christ, Came and Dies, Who was TRULY GOD AND TRULY MAN NOT FULLY BECAUSE GOD CANNOT DIE

That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
6:15 Which in his times he shall show,[who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

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