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Can Heavenly Millennium be PROVEN? Biblically?

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Lomalindaprof

Lake Elsinore, CA

#1 Feb 3, 2012
Why the need for checking the sin records of the lost? Not trusting Gods judgment? In my opinion theeeemost ridiculous of all SDA teachings..
SGT

Garden City, NY

#2 Feb 4, 2012
I love the heavenly millennium (HM) doctrine and find it amazing no other denomination teaches this Bible truth. I'm not sure at what point it entered SDA but it was early on.

The HM is directly tied to soul sleep since the dead do not go to heaven rather the resurrected will at that time as Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will return to take us there!
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Feb 4, 2012
Lomalindaprof wrote:
Why the need for checking the sin records of the lost? Not trusting Gods judgment? In my opinion theeeemost ridiculous of all SDA teachings..
You are free to choose to believe in an earthly millennium as ancient Israel did at the time when Jesus began His ministry, though your end will be the same as theirs.

The Bible is clear where we will be during the 1,000 years. You are free to choose to remain on the earth for the duration of this time, though like the rest of the human beings on earth, you will be dead.

Free choice is such an amazing gift from our Creator.
A SDA

United States

#4 Feb 4, 2012
Lomalindaprof wrote:
Why the need for checking the sin records of the lost? Not trusting Gods judgment? In my opinion theeeemost ridiculous of all SDA teachings..
Those who are of the lost will be loved ones of the saints. God will show them his mercy in judgment. It's how God wipes away all their tears. The lost chose to be separate from God's will and followed their own will. They weren't going to be happy in heaven, so they reaped what they sowed which was corruption.

Since: Nov 11

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#5 Feb 4, 2012
The Heavenly Millennium is one of the easiest doctrines to prove.

For the most sound and exegetical and Biblical proof that the millennium is in heaven, and not on earth, please read the following 2 documents. The first one I wrote:

The True Nature of the Millennium:
http://www.scribd.com/propheticlandmarks/d/75...

The 1000 Year Millennium - Following Jesus' Second Coming:
http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/1000...

After you are done reading these 2 articles, you will discover that the Dispensational view of a temporal millennium is one of the most ridiculous and absurd doctrines ever perpetrated by the Christian world.

At the Second Coming, 4 things happen:

1. The Righteous Living Saints are caught up into the clouds and taken to the mansions prepared for them
2. The Righteous Dead Saints are resurrected and caught up also with the living saints.

3. The Wicked Living are destroyed by the brightness of His coming.
4. The Wicked Dead STAY dead during the millennium.

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NO human beings left on the earth during the 1000 year millennium.

ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

EVERY single verse that alludes to an EARTHLY REIGN is referring to AFTER the millennium, after the New Jerusalem has come back down with all the saints.

Proof?

READ the articles! They are ALL Bible!
SGT

Garden City, NY

#6 Feb 4, 2012
Yup, and another ..
www.1000yearmillennium.com

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#7 Feb 4, 2012
SGT wrote:
Yup, and another ..
www.1000yearmillennium.com
You'll find that link, and another, at the bottom of my first article. ;P

Since: Nov 11

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#8 Feb 4, 2012
Also, just before Revelation 20, we find what takes place as a RESULT of the Second Coming in chapter 19. Notice:

Revelation 19:17,18 - "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the FLESH OF ALL MEN, both free and bond, both small and great."

If the flesh of ALL MEN are bird food, where are the saints? Must be in heaven!

Of course, the idea that birds are eating the flesh of dead men can only be symbolic, because we are told that even the birds will be destroyed at the Second Coming:

Zechariah 1:2,3 - "I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the LORD. I will consume man and beast; I will CONSUME THE FOWLS of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumblingblocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD."

Absolutely impossible for any humans or animals to continue living on earth during the Millennium.

The flesh of ALL men will be DUNG upon the ground.

PERIOD!!!!

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#9 Feb 4, 2012
Lomalindaprof wrote:
Why the need for checking the sin records of the lost? Not trusting Gods judgment? In my opinion theeeemost ridiculous of all SDA teachings..
LLP,

Does the thought of God having a transparency in His government bothers you? Do you doubt what the scriptures has reveal. 1 Cor. 6:2,3: Rev. 20:4-6

The saints are indeed allow the prilivege of looking into the books of the lost.

This is necessary because though we have been glorified a created being cannot look into a man's heart the way the Lord can. 1 Sam. 16:7

Scripture reveals that we do not even truly know our own hearts. Jeremiah 17:9

Since: Jun 10

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#10 Feb 4, 2012
Mr_Know it all wrote:
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LLP,
Does the thought of God having a transparency in His government bothers you? Do you doubt what the scriptures has reveal. 1 Cor. 6:2,3: Rev. 20:4-6
The saints are indeed allow the prilivege of looking into the books of the lost.
This is necessary because though we have been glorified a created being cannot look into a man's heart the way the Lord can. 1 Sam. 16:7
Scripture reveals that we do not even truly know our own hearts. Jeremiah 17:9
Ellen White will certainly pay for all the fraudulent things your are writing and the blasphemy you are uttering on her behalf!
A Voice In The Wilderness

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Feb 4, 2012
theCircle wrote:
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Ellen White will certainly pay for all the fraudulent things your are writing and the blasphemy you are uttering on her behalf!
Your words are a curse upon your own soul for which you will be recompensed "double unto you double according to your works: in the cup which you hath filled full."

It will be an unfortunate thing during the thousand years to go through the books of 'Circles' life record and see how many opportunities the Great I AM gave him and plead with him through His Spirit that he may repent of his lies, wickedness, and come to eternal life through the blood of the Lamb.
birdman

Arthur, IL

#14 Feb 4, 2012
A SDA wrote:
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Those who are of the lost will be loved ones of the saints. God will show them his mercy in judgment. It's how God wipes away all their tears. The lost chose to be separate from God's will and followed their own will. They weren't going to be happy in heaven, so they reaped what they sowed which was corruption.
good response.
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#17 Feb 8, 2012
Jewinchrist wrote:
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Prof. Still pushing Barky's agenda, don't you ever give up????
I thought Barky gave an excellent exposition on the coming Earthly Millennium, and backed it up by Scripture alone, especially the OT prophecies.
I also enjoyed his exegesis on John 14:1-3 "no one goes to heaven"!
He also helped me undertand the truth about the Roman Catholic Trinity. Are you a Trinitarian SDA or a Unitarian-Monotheist, like so many SDA's are now opting for?
kljcmc

Morgantown, WV

#18 Feb 8, 2012
Rev. 20:4 .....and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Sure sounds to me like we'll be reigning on the earth with Christ during the millennium.

Also, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind. What use will we have of the Sabbath when we're all spirit?

During the millennium there will still be humans on the earth, though we in the church will be spirit. We'll be among the first resurrection.

The millennium is not for us, it's for those still alive after Christ returns. Our role in the millennium will be to reign with Christ.

The nation of Israel will be reestablished, along with the Temple and animal sacrifices according to Ezekiel.

Jerusalem will be the hub of worship. All nations, physical fleshly nations, will keep the Sabbath, New Moons, and the Feasts of God.

This is what the bible teaches.

SDA theology of a desolate earth leads to false assumptions about a Heavenly Millennium.

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Since: Nov 11

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#19 Feb 8, 2012
kljcmc wrote:
Rev. 20:4 .....and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
It says nothing about reigning with Christ on the earth. It mentions thrones, and those thrones are in the New Jerusalem.
kljcmc wrote:
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Notice the future tense. "SHALL reign on the earth". This is pointing forward to when the saints come back and inherit the earth at the END of the millennium, when the New Jerusalem descends. This is a post-millennial event.
kljcmc wrote:
Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Sure sounds to me like we'll be reigning on the earth with Christ during the millennium.
After the millennium. We spend the millennial sabbath in heaven. It has to be this way to account for the fact that we will spend time with God in the mansions prepared for Him, and this is in heaven. The Supper of the Lamb is in heaven, not on earth. Unequivocally. Read your bible in it's plain simplicity.

Second Coming = caught up to meet the Lord IN THE AIR and we go to the New Jerusalem. This is during the 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years, we return to the earth to reign forever and ever.
kljcmc wrote:
Also, Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind. What use will we have of the Sabbath when we're all spirit?
Scripture does not teach this nonsense. We will have glorified bodies as taught in 1 Cor. 15:49-58. The flesh and blood of this earth will not inherent the kingdom of heaven, but we will have a new flesh that is heavenly. Christ was touchable in his glorified body. Thomas touched him, and Christ ascended to heaven in this immortal body. So likewise, we will have bodies like Christ when we ascend to heaven.

Even angels have bodies, but these are bodies capable of materializing and de-materializing. They are spirit version of heavenly bodies. Only the earthly bodies are not what we will have.
kljcmc wrote:
During the millennium there will still be humans on the earth, though we in the church will be spirit. We'll be among the first resurrection.
No such teaching in scripture. ALL humans will be vacated from the earth at the Second Coming. At the brightness of His coming, the saints are "caught up", while the wicked are destroyed by the "brightness of His coming". ALL the wicked the Bible teaches will be destroyed. Satan will be left on this desolated earth.

To teach otherwise is to teach Walt Disney Fiction. You will be disappointed. Mark my words.
kljcmc wrote:
The millennium is not for us, it's for those still alive after Christ returns. Our role in the millennium will be to reign with Christ.
It's not for us alright. But the wicked will be dead on the earth.
kljcmc wrote:
The nation of Israel will be reestablished, along with the Temple and animal sacrifices according to Ezekiel.
My book refutes this garbage. Ezekiel's prophecies will no longer be fulfilled typically. They will be fulfilled ANTITYPICALLY in the new earth. The prophecies in the latter chapters of Ezekiel are describing the new earth in a Typical form. John redefines these passages after Israel failed to meet the covenant promises.
kljcmc wrote:
Jerusalem will be the hub of worship. All nations, physical fleshly nations, will keep the Sabbath, New Moons, and the Feasts of God.
Old Jerusalem will be no more. Only the New Jerusalem. The temple will be lifted out of the New Jerusalem and set on a mount. This is why there will be no temple in the New Jerusalem.
This is what the bible teaches.
kljcmc wrote:
SDA theology of a desolate earth leads to false assumptions about a Heavenly Millennium.
[email protected]
Totally refuted. You are spouting perfidious Dispensational-Futurist Jesuit theology. I will be emailing you.

Since: Nov 11

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#20 Feb 8, 2012
Almost all the arguments that kljcmc raised have been squarely dealt with in the following links:

The Davidic Covenant -- refuting what Dispensationalists identify as the "7th dispensation" during the Millennium:
http://www.hearingthetruth.org/chapter4.pdf

The 1000 Year Millennium - Following Jesus' Second Coming
http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/1000...

The True Nature of the Millennium (under development)- written by me.
http://www.scribd.com/propheticlandmarks/d/75...

kljcmc, I would recommend reading those articles THOROUGHLY (Like I have articles of your beliefs) before you continue to respond. You're better off being familiar with exactly how we understand those scriptures before just throwing them at us--that is, if you wish to have an intelligent Scriptural dialogue rather than a childish Bible verse gunshot war.
kljcmc

Morgantown, WV

#21 Feb 8, 2012
lysim:

Do you actually believe that the body that Jesus has now, while sitting on his throne at the right hand of God is flesh?

No, your book does not refute "this garbage", while your belief system may refute Ezekiel being fulfilled typically believeing it instead to be antitypically, this belief does not make it true.

There are many prophecies in Ezekiel and Isaiah that talk about physical people dwelling on the earth, each man with his own fig tree, a child playing at the hole of an asp, etc.

I believe those verses to be millennial, on the earth while physical humans are still alive.

You apparently believe those verses to be referring to after the millenium.

My interpratation isn't "garbage" as you say, it just doesn't fit SDA theology, though it does certainly fit the bible.

I find your/SDA understanding of the Heavenly Millennium just as much "garbage" as you find my understanding.

I just don't see this eternal fleshly body that you as a SDA seem to see. Paul says we'll have a glorious body. That means a spiritual body. Not one of flesh. Though if we want we can at any time present ourselves in the flesh to humans if we so desire.

This is what Jesus did when he wrestled with Jacob and what he did when he told Thomas to reach in and touch his wounds.

I don't believe that he ascended with the same body that he showed Thomas.

You guys don't believe that flesh and blood can inherit the Kingdom of God, but you believe that flesh and bone can. Talk about total fabrication.
kljcmc

Morgantown, WV

#22 Feb 8, 2012
Also, I am not a dispensationalist.

Since: Nov 11

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#23 Feb 8, 2012
kljcmc wrote:
Also, I am not a dispensationalist.
Do you believe there is a distinction between Israel and the Church?

Or do you believe that Israel is now realized in the Church?

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#24 Feb 8, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Almost all the arguments that kljcmc raised have been squarely dealt with in the following links:
The Davidic Covenant -- refuting what Dispensationalists identify as the "7th dispensation" during the Millennium:
http://www.hearingthetruth.org/chapter4.pdf
The 1000 Year Millennium - Following Jesus' Second Coming
http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/1000...
The True Nature of the Millennium (under development)- written by me.
http://www.scribd.com/propheticlandmarks/d/75...
kljcmc, I would recommend reading those articles THOROUGHLY (Like I have articles of your beliefs) before you continue to respond. You're better off being familiar with exactly how we understand those scriptures before just throwing them at us--that is, if you wish to have an intelligent Scriptural dialogue rather than a childish Bible verse gunshot war.

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