99% of Christian pastors = deceivers

99% of Christian pastors = deceivers

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yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#1 Jul 27, 2012
99% of Christian pastors abrogate, deny the validity of the 4th commandment
Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#2 Jul 27, 2012
Do you believe keeping the Sabbath has any saving merit?

Have YOU explained the Sabbath to those erring "Christian pastors"? or sent them a copy of The Fourth Dilemma?(get at ABC bookstore).

Most of them preach the gospel: the blood and cross of Christ. Something we do not hear very often in SDA churches!
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#3 Jul 27, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
Do you believe keeping the Sabbath has any saving merit?
Have YOU explained the Sabbath to those erring "Christian pastors"? or sent them a copy of The Fourth Dilemma?(get at ABC bookstore).
Most of them preach the gospel: the blood and cross of Christ. Something we do not hear very often in SDA churches!
Yes sabbath keeping has saving merit , just as the death of Jesus does

Yes I have explained to pastors and others about sabbath and send out sabbath tracts frequently.

The gospel presented by most clergy is false. They do not know what the gospel is.

I agree that the gospel does not get much exposure in SDA churches...because the SDA pastors are clueless.
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#4 Jul 27, 2012
The words>>>gospel, grace and saved/salvation have been corrupted by modern Christian pastors.

Care to define what saved means or what th e gospel is?
Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#5 Jul 27, 2012
Sure! Because of our inherited genes and choice we are sinners, alienated from God, who still loves us and made a gospel-promise in Gen 3:15. Then Jesus died IN OUR PLACE on the cross and SAVES us from eternal anialation. He is the connecting link to RESTORE our relationship with the Father. It is called RECONCILLIATION. And is FREE Eph 2:8
We do not keep any Law or Sabbath to supplement or as aid to our salvation. We do so because we ARE saved and WANT to please Jesus in the way HE prescribed John 14:15. The verse does NOT say "first keep the commandments..so I can save you" but rather IF you love Me. And so we do!
The (Good News-) gospel is to tell the above-mentioned story to as many sinners as you can!
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#6 Jul 27, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
Sure! Because of our inherited genes and choice we are sinners, alienated from God, who still loves us and made a gospel-promise in Gen 3:15. Then Jesus died IN OUR PLACE on the cross and SAVES us from eternal anialation. He is the connecting link to RESTORE our relationship with the Father. It is called RECONCILLIATION. And is FREE Eph 2:8
We do not keep any Law or Sabbath to supplement or as aid to our salvation. We do so because we ARE saved and WANT to please Jesus in the way HE prescribed John 14:15. The verse does NOT say "first keep the commandments..so I can save you" but rather IF you love Me. And so we do!
The (Good News-) gospel is to tell the above-mentioned story to as many sinners as you can!
Kingfisher,

You post some of the elements of salvation but it is a result of clergy contamination.

Some true and some ... not thought through

A key clue is to understand clearly what grace means. You put it in your post only with a reference to EPH 2:8..but until Christians really understand the 2 key elements of grace, they can be victims of false gospels and concepts of salvation.

Most of the time..grace is just taught superficially as....unmerited favor and not explained.

Also U include the cliche of we obey because we are saved...this is a fairly modern corruption of the word and concept of salvation. It has some validity but is an overstatement. When you clearly understand saved and grace then you wil detect and perceive how deceitful Christianity is today, even in SDA circles.
Kingfisher

Gulf Breeze, FL

#7 Jul 27, 2012
What do you recommend IN PLACE OF Christianity? Hindoism? Buddism? Mormonism? Islam? Adventism? Ouch!
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#8 Jul 27, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
What do you recommend IN PLACE OF Christianity? Hindoism? Buddism? Mormonism? Islam? Adventism? Ouch!
Jesus = Son of God, Lord, Savior, Creator, Priest, King, Teacher , Healer, Prophet,Messiah, Judge of Earth...and anything else the bible says.

99% of Christianity = deceived by clergy..

The best package so far is 1950's SDA before tampered by worldly SDA clergy
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#9 Jul 27, 2012
Kingfisher wrote:
What do you recommend IN PLACE OF Christianity? Hindoism? Buddism? Mormonism? Islam? Adventism? Ouch!
Being a follower of Jesus. Jesus never came here to start a church but to bring living water to those of us who are thirsty for it. This living water is the words of Jesus ONLY. Jesus' blood paid for a Kingdom not a church. Rev. 5:9-10
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#10 Jul 30, 2012
sabbath trashers = JESUS killers
jonebgood

Abbotsford, Canada

#11 Aug 5, 2012
yoyo wrote:
sabbath trashers = JESUS killers
Where do you get this idea that because we do not keep the sabbath we are sabbath trashers. The sabbath was a seal given to Israel by God. What is trashy about that? The sabbath was part of a covenant give to Gods chosen people. The same people who gave us the Messiah. This sabbath was unlike any thing any other nation had. It was special and remains a part of Israel until this day. Even when Jewish people accept the Messiah the seal of the covenant which is the sabbath remains. I am a Gentile and was not given that covenant. If you read Romans 9 you will possibly find the truth. You have stated that the sabbath has a part in salvation, then you have fallen from the grace you claim to know so much about.
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#12 Aug 5, 2012
yoyo wrote:
sabbath trashers = JESUS killers
It was sabbath observers that demanded a murderer be released and the INNOCENT Son of God to be crucified.

sabbath observers = Actually Killed Jesus

CB

yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#13 Aug 6, 2012
jonebgood wrote:
<quoted text> Where do you get this idea that because we do not keep the sabbath we are sabbath trashers. The sabbath was a seal given to Israel by God. What is trashy about that? The sabbath was part of a covenant give to Gods chosen people. The same people who gave us the Messiah. This sabbath was unlike any thing any other nation had. It was special and remains a part of Israel until this day. Even when Jewish people accept the Messiah the seal of the covenant which is the sabbath remains. I am a Gentile and was not given that covenant. If you read Romans 9 you will possibly find the truth. You have stated that the sabbath has a part in salvation, then you have fallen from the grace you claim to know so much about.
U R a victim of SATANIC modern antinomian pastors and their doctrinal dope.

The biggest HIT against your sabbath trashing doctrine is ACTS 13:44..since you trash Jesus and Mark 2:27

Your pseudo hero PAUL had an opportunity to dissuade the GENTILES from coming back and hearing the gospel on the following sabbath and yet PAUL did not invite them to worship the following day....
sooo PAUL is guilty of sabbatizing almost a whole city of GENTILES.

He is guilty of what he chewed Peter out for...compelling GENTILES to live as JEWS.

Stop your religious co-dependence on antinomian clergy and U might escape HELL.
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#14 Aug 6, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
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It was sabbath observers that demanded a murderer be released and the INNOCENT Son of God to be crucified.
sabbath observers = Actually Killed Jesus
CB
U R a victim of SATANIC modern antinomian clergy.

The Pharisees were of their father the devil and modern clergy are the same.

Go ahead and trash JESUS and Mark 2:27 and ACTS 13:44 where PAUL had a bunch of GENTILES wait until the following sabbath before he did a gospel message PART 2
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#15 Aug 6, 2012
yoyo wrote:
99% of Christian pastors abrogate, deny the validity of the 4th commandment
99% of what you say blatantly contradict, abrogate, undermine and simply dilute what you say. You're self-defeatist.
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#16 Aug 6, 2012
yoyo wrote:
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The Pharisees were of their father the devil and modern clergy are the same.
Go ahead and trash JESUS and Mark 2:27 and ACTS 13:44 where PAUL had a bunch of GENTILES wait until the following sabbath before he did a gospel message PART 2
U R a victim of SATANIC modern antinomian clergy.
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#17 Aug 6, 2012
Better stuff wrote:
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U R a victim of SATANIC modern antinomian clergy.
here is a better handle for you........stupid stuff
Better stuff

Brampton, Canada

#18 Aug 6, 2012
yoyo wrote:
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here is a better handle for you........stupid stuff
And that came direct from a yo yo! LOL
Crazy Baptist

Hopkins, SC

#19 Aug 6, 2012
yoyo wrote:
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U R a victim of SATANIC modern antinomian clergy.
The Pharisees were of their father the devil and modern clergy are the same.
Go ahead and trash JESUS and Mark 2:27 and ACTS 13:44 where PAUL had a bunch of GENTILES wait until the following sabbath before he did a gospel message PART 2
So you then disagree with what I posted or think the FACTS reflect differently?

I told you the truth - gnashing your teeth over it will not change history.

CB
yoyo

Solana Beach, CA

#20 Aug 7, 2012
Crazy Baptist wrote:
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It was sabbath observers that demanded a murderer be released and the INNOCENT Son of God to be crucified.
sabbath observers = Actually Killed Jesus
CB
So what? What does this prove? Jesus was the quintessential sabbath observer.

John the Baptist parents were sabbath observers. The apostles were sabbath observers. The prophets were sabbath observers. All of the bible writers were sabbath observers.

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