who is dr. walter veith and is he kos...
Tom King

Palestine, TX

#21 Feb 14, 2008
Where in all of this is the love of Christ?

There is a revealing line in the Doors song, "Sympathy for the Devil"

"Satan, Satan is my name
Confusion is my game!"

He's apparently at His work. It's really sad to see folks taking their eyes off Him to play theological "gotcha" like this. It serves no sacred purpose that I can see.
JJ_VB

Norfolk, VA

#22 Feb 14, 2008
Dr. Veith Says in his commentary about Secret Societies that known of the what he is teach has anything to do with salvation, but Dr. Veith does have lessons about Jesus in his series.

Veith also does really good lessons about creationism vs. evolution. Not all of them have a Jesus theme, but everything he talks about is Biblical.

My opinion on Veith is that he is dead on, I heard on the Radio 2 days ago on Neal Bortz show that the Catholic Church is incorporating Lint into the Muslim Religion. This helps prove Veith has done good research he has a whole lesson on this.

I am not saying that this is all we should think about or want to learn, but educationally it has biblical value.
ninjapizza07

Austin, TX

#23 Mar 8, 2008
Hey Rich,

A little more info please? Paul was a false prophet?

Thanks,
Adam
jurgens

AOL

#24 Mar 8, 2008
Hey Follower, you need to listen to some of Dr. veith's lessons and come back to the only Remnant Church...according to Rev 12:17 and EGW. Come out of Babylon right NOW!!
Jack

Blue Bell, PA

#25 Mar 10, 2008
Tom,
You're a great guy, but your knowledge of Rock and Roll is lacking...Sympathy for the Devil is a Rolling Stones tune. I doubt the Doors even covered it.

And Regarding trading America for Australia, according to current SDA belief, America (USA) is the second anti-christ.

Jack
Tom

Humble, TX

#26 Mar 12, 2008
Jack,

Your right - it was the Stones. I stand corrected.

Rock and Roll wasn't a major field of study for me back in those days. I was more of a folkie.

You know when I see preachers develop a "following" I worry. I loved Steve Marshall - actually have put his tape series on CD, but the pressure of having so many people expecting you to find new "light" seems to break folks down. I loved his sermons, though - the man knew Jesus as a friend. Same with Morris Venden and Ron Halverson. They all made me feel hopeful in every sermon - as though I was loved by God and was going home.

I worry about guys like Dr. Bacchiochi and folks like this guy Veith. You wonder what's really going on with all this high level theology...

C.S. Lewis used to compare theologians to wizards in his children's stories. He said some of them dabbled in places too deep and when they did it for their own purposes that it wasn't a good thing.

I think we should focus on the simple good news and things which reveal God's character rather than things which show off your knowledge of the esoteric points of Hebrew and Greek and eschatology (whatever that means).

Dr. M.D. Lewis an SDA professor I knew had a deep knowledge of Greek and Hebrew and subtle things of scripture, but he inevitably used his knowledge to illuminate the character of God. He used to emphasize that the way to eternal life was to "know" God.

Sometimes I think some theologians are more about displaying their intelligence than they are about displaying the character of God.

...and that ain't right.

Tom
jurgens

AOL

#27 Mar 13, 2008
Tom: if you like Venden and Halverson, make sure to order the FREE booklet, The Fourth Dilemma, by Dr. Pieter Barkhuizen, from radiogoodhope@aol.com it will touch your soul..totally non-legalistic approach. One of best I have read. See Dr. Pieter on 3ABN Issues and Answers, this Sabbath afternoon. I believe he is South African or Australian
Berliner

Berlin, Germany

#28 Mar 23, 2008
Mat.24.10...?

!.Kor.13...
The problem I experienced with this brother is that he splits SDA into many groups fighting each other about what is true and what is not. How to be saved etc. where is the christian love, where are his fruits? It looks like he is selling frightening stories that entertain and are not biblical correct, even the kkk uses biblequotes the way they like it. Look at the whole Jesus ,how he is described in the bible. Mr. Veith tries to dstroy SDAs worldwide. He is not allowed to speak in SDA churches in the most countries,conferences.
Now some of his follwers spread his message and they even use E.G. White┬┤s quotes out of content.
check Matthew 24. 11 and more,
be carefull about the people making money with the
gospel of Jesus Christ
amen
jurgens

AOL

#29 Mar 23, 2008
Yes, I have heard that Veith is blacklisted in Conferences such as mine, Carolina. He quotes der spiegel..in your country, as saying Bush was behind 911...and then leaves it right there!..no further comment...and people think he agrees with that..bad boy from South Africa. No wonder they say the only good South Africans are dead ones. Also, there are people who got themselves into demon possession because of his stories.
flying dutchie

Oude Pekela, Netherlands

#30 Mar 23, 2008
Jurgens what you say doesn t make sense man. He is telling the plain truth just before the earth will be filled with dead bodies. I love his seminars and he is telling the plain truth and God has blessed him. Of course he makes some mistakes but he has done more for me than anyone else i ve ever known. I was trapped in lies, he set me free. I am very gratefull. His conversion was led by God, and his search for truth assisted. Jurgens sometimes i am just like you, sometimes we don t know things for sure, we feel angry that we cannot understand it all and then choose to critice the movement that we suspect has the truth. demon posession because of his stories? You made that up right?too bad for those people that refuse to listen to him, just like in the days of Noah they won t be prepared for the things that are soon to happen. Study while you can...
flying dutchie

Oude Pekela, Netherlands

#31 Mar 23, 2008
"The problem I experienced with this brother is that he splits SDA into many groups fighting each other about what is true and what is not. How to be saved etc. where is the christian love, where are his fruits? It looks like he is selling frightening stories that entertain and are not biblical correct, even the kkk uses biblequotes the way they like it"

WHat have you risked to spread the gospel?How many souls have you prepared for the endtimes?Don t you understand that it takes a lot of courage and love to tell the truth, something people don t like to hear?
Berliner

Berlin, Germany

#32 Mar 24, 2008
What teached Jesus about politics?

Is masonery part of politics?

Where do people who talk about masonry get their knowledge from?

Do this teachings help you and others to be more loving the way that Jesus wanted us to be?

Ever noticed his allmost racist attitude?

What was the laodicean attitude?

We are right and they are wrong?

Who teaches that it is wrong to worship the Lord with all your heart, with music and instruments and what teaches the bible,for ex. Psalm 150?

Who is doing outreach work exceptionable on SDAs ?
Shepherds Rod, Davidians?
Sorry I am scared of those people who simply destroy our church?
dutchie

Oude Pekela, Netherlands

#33 Mar 24, 2008
"I am scared of those people who simply destroy our church"

Wake up men, you are worried about you not being able to play church anymore. But the whole world will soon be totally destroyed and you don t care? Walter exposes deception, something that can be found in the bible. For who do you want to play music in the church? For God or yourself? What then is a church? A club for social entertainment?
Berliner

Berlin, Germany

#34 Mar 25, 2008
Veith or White?

What you say is against the teachings of E. G. White. Stop your satanic mission in destroying the church of Christ!
Go away from me Satan , in the name of Jesus Christ!

The use of musical instruments is not at all objectionable. These were used in religious services in ancient times. The worshipers praised God upon the harp and cymbal, and music should have its place in our services.--Ev 500, 501 (1898).{LDE 87.1}
E.G. White
(modern harp and cymbal is drum and guitar)

Fanaticism, once started and left unchecked, is as hard to quench as a fire which has obtained hold of a building. Those who have entered into and sustained this fanaticism, might far better be engaged in secular labor; for by their inconsistent course of action they are dishonoring the Lord and imperiling His people. Many such movements will arise at this time, when the Lord's work should stand elevated, pure, unadulterated with superstition and fables. We need to be on our guard, to maintain a close connection with Christ, that we be not deceived by Satan's devices.{2SM 35.2}E.G.White
There is danger, not only that unbalanced minds will be led into fanaticism, but that designing persons will take advantage of this excitement to further their own selfish purposes....{2SM 17.3}E.G. White

I've discovered that everybody thinks that God likes the music that they like.
Doug Batchelor

Psalm 150

1 Praise the LORD.[a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute,

5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

Who are you that you are against praising the Lord?
Who is controlling you?
Satan or Jesus?
Flying Dutchie

Oude Pekela, Netherlands

#35 Mar 25, 2008
Hey nothing wrong with music mate, but i was pointing to the pentecostal moods of excitement that lead into some kind of hysterical worship. I like music, also in the church.

"What you say is against the teachings of E. G. White. Stop your satanic mission in destroying the church of Christ!"
Woow since when is Ellen White a popesse? Don t get me wrong, if Ellen was sincere she is of great value for the church, but she is not the standard by which we should judge things or people. You might as well wear some ridiculous dresses in order to prevent deadly deseases according to her.

We are different but that doesn t mean we have to be divided. There are all kinds of SDA sts. Liberal, conservative, lazy and fanatical etc. Why you call me satan?don t you know that satan his most powerfull weapon is bringing division into the church? So please don t call me satan, you don t like Walter because he is on fire and i don t like the sleepy mood of moderate adventists, but still we are supposed to be brothers. Furthermore, we should trust God, he ll find ways to protect the church when it s needed.
Evangelical SDA

Bothell, WA

#36 Mar 25, 2008
Several problems with Walter Veith:
1. Most SDAs seem to be following after him without question. How does this equate with the "1 in 20" to be saved per Ellen White or Matthew 7:13-14? Is the majority viewpoint to be trusted?
2. The followers of Walter Veith are among the most judgmental and critical people I know. The make a great show of walking out when there is anything going on up fornt in the sanctuary that they disagree with and they shun other SDAs refusing to even greet them in the foyer of the church. Is this the spirit of Christ? See Matthew 7:15-16
3. Ellen White spoke of the Alpha and Omega apostasies. The Alpha was related to the book "Living Temple" which mixed truth and error and received a great following in her day. It could be expected that the Omega apostasy at the time of the end would do the same. Mr Veith's heady combination of truth with conspiracy theories is certainly pulling many into his train.
4. One might wonder if they are presenting the same message why so many SDA's would promote exclusively the videos of Walter Veith to the exclusion of Doug Batchelor, Lonnie Melashenko, or Shawn Boonstra. Could it be because they are not really the same message. Certainly these three do not appeal to sensationalism and conspiracy theories to present the gospel.
5. Walter Veith likes to spotlight heads of government and their actions as part of his crusade. Jesus never did that. Even when Herod had John the Baptist beheaded, Jesus said nothing negative about Herod.
I am afraid I will have to take a pass on Walter Veith. If that puts me in the minority in the SDA church that is fine with me. The minority has always been a safer place to be.
dutchie

Oude Pekela, Netherlands

#37 Mar 25, 2008
1. Most SDAs seem to be following after him without question. How does this equate with the "1 in 20" to be saved per Ellen White or Matthew 7:13-14? Is the majority viewpoint to be trusted?
He is one of the main pillars of the battle against evolution lies. His discovery of truth was fully assisted by God. Why would it be wrong to follow him? Of course he makes some mistakes in his presentations and uses many unscientific qoutes, but he is human.
2. The followers of Walter Veith are among the most judgmental and critical people I know. The make a great show of walking out when there is anything going on up fornt in the sanctuary that they disagree with and they shun other SDAs refusing to even greet them in the foyer of the church. Is this the spirit of Christ? See Matthew 7:15-16
I have to agree with you, the first months after hearing his lectures i became very judgemental without noticing my own mistakes. But the clear division is necessary in order to prevent getting sucked up in the fantasy land of church apostasy.
4. One might wonder if they are presenting the same message why so many SDA's would promote exclusively the videos of Walter Veith to the exclusion of Doug Batchelor, Lonnie Melashenko, or Shawn Boonstra. Could it be because they are not really the same message. Certainly these three do not appeal to sensationalism and conspiracy theories to present the gospel.
I like all of them. They all have a different viewpoint which can give you a better picture of the whole puzzle.
5. Walter Veith likes to spotlight heads of government and their actions as part of his crusade. Jesus never did that. Even when Herod had John the Baptist beheaded, Jesus said nothing negative about Herod
I agree, the empasis shouldn t be so much on leaders. Many of them are genuine, some are wicked but they are all victims of lies. Central issues to blame should be ideas, not people.
"am afraid I will have to take a pass on Walter Veith. If that puts me in the minority in the SDA church that is fine with me. The minority has always been a safer place to be."
Please don t feel an outsider, if you keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ you are just as much an adventist as all the others.
Kevin

Lawrenceville, GA

#38 Mar 28, 2008
Adventists have trouble with personality cults. WV is one manifestation of this. Mr. Veith has done really good work on evolution and he should of limited himself to that portion. But he has launched into other areas that have gone overboard. There is much conspiracy to his lectures, and I think his material does tend to generate a judgmental "I know more than you do" mentality. People need to stop following Veith, Batchelor, Boostra, etc and focus upon the Master Christ, doing their own Bible study and being engaged in acts of service to their fellow man. By beholding we become changed and if we focus on any given personality outside of Christ we will be like them.
Tom

Murchison, TX

#39 Mar 29, 2008
When we follow a man and not God, we are off the narrow way.

Why are we talking about whether we should follow this pastor or that? If a pastor draws followers to himself instead of Christ, he's off target.

So many Christians are so anxious to be right they forget what Jesus came for in the first place. He's right, that church is wrong, my church has the secret magic words.

Just get to know God and let Him take care of who is right and wrong. Quit dividing us over personalities. It's not right.

Tom
Kevin

Lawrenceville, GA

#40 Mar 30, 2008
Tom wrote:
When we follow a man and not God, we are off the narrow way.
Why are we talking about whether we should follow this pastor or that? If a pastor draws followers to himself instead of Christ, he's off target.
So many Christians are so anxious to be right they forget what Jesus came for in the first place. He's right, that church is wrong, my church has the secret magic words.
Just get to know God and let Him take care of who is right and wrong. Quit dividing us over personalities. It's not right.
Tom
Excellent points. Agree with them. But we still fight with "i am of Apollos" "I am of Paul" today. Too bad.

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