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#1 Mar 30, 2011
Man is mortal (Job 4:17).
Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16).
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The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20.
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"Every living soul died in the sea." Revelation 16:3.
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The concept of an undying, immortal soul goes against the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.
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The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10.
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So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21
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Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
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God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#2 Mar 30, 2011

The bible also clearly states that neither the righteous nor wick will received their REWARD until the return of Christ.

Matt 16:27 "For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall REWARD every man according to his works."

Revelation 22:12 And,behold I come quickly and my REWARD is WITH me to give every man according as his work shall be.

Since: Jun 10

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#3 Mar 31, 2011
When we die, we are "hidden in God" until the resurrection.

The body perishes but we continue in a state of deep sleep, completely oblivious to everything, even the passage of time!

For this reason, when we are resurrected, WE (AND NOT CLONES OF US) are resurrected.
anj

Houston, TX

#4 Mar 31, 2011
BEAUTIFULLY SAID!!!!
That is simple, logical and most importantly of all, SCRIPTURAL. God is not a God of confusion. His truths are simple, drawing humble people. Prideful people don't like simplicity because they don't want the uneducated to be able to know as much as they do, consequently, these don't see the simple truth. God is wonderful in his wisdom to make his word easy to understand yet at the same time it prevents the proud from understanding.
shawn3712 wrote:
Man is mortal (Job 4:17).
Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16).
.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20.
.
"Every living soul died in the sea." Revelation 16:3.
.
The concept of an undying, immortal soul goes against the Bible, which teaches that souls are subject to death.
.
The living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." "There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10.
.
So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." "His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them." Job 14:12, 21
.
Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
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God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#5 Mar 31, 2011
theCircle wrote:
When we die, we are "hidden in God" until the resurrection.
The body perishes but we continue in a state of deep sleep, completely oblivious to everything, even the passage of time!
For this reason, when we are resurrected, WE (AND NOT CLONES OF US) are resurrected.
Circle you may want to qualify that statement "we are hidden in God."

Does that include the wick that has died in their sins?

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#6 Mar 31, 2011
Mr_Know it all wrote:
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Circle you may want to qualify that statement "we are hidden in God."
Does that include the wick that has died in their sins?
EVERYONE.

As in Adam, ALL died; so in Christ, ALL shall be made alive.(1 Cor. 15:22)

Even Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat. 10:28)

Here, Jesus clearly speaks of a resurrection unto damnation, about persons who are reserved for utter and complete destruction in hell-fire, even through and after the passage of death.

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#7 Mar 31, 2011
anj wrote:
BEAUTIFULLY SAID!!!!
That is simple, logical and most importantly of all, SCRIPTURAL. God is not a God of confusion. His truths are simple, drawing humble people. Prideful people don't like simplicity because they don't want the uneducated to be able to know as much as they do, consequently, these don't see the simple truth. God is wonderful in his wisdom to make his word easy to understand yet at the same time it prevents the proud from understanding.
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Shawn doesn't know what he is saying. The Bible does not teach that the dead go out of existence, rather that a person who is dying is entering a deep sleep: EVERYONE!

But the wicked at the very end of time, after the second resurrection are completely taken away into oblivion, out of existence in the fires of hell.

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#8 Apr 1, 2011
theCircle wrote:
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Shawn doesn't know what he is saying. The Bible does not teach that the dead go out of existence, rather that a person who is dying is entering a deep sleep: EVERYONE!
But the wicked at the very end of time, after the second resurrection are completely taken away into oblivion, out of existence in the fires of hell.
"sleep" is a figure of speech.
there is no existence in death, death is the opposite of life.
if you remove the power from the bulb the light doesnt sleep,its gone.
remove nails from wood and the box goes "bye bye"
when the "breath of God" or spirit leaves the body the soul no longer exists.
a soul cannot be without a body because a soul is not a thing its a state of being alive. it means "life"
body+spirit=life
anj

Houston, TX

#9 Apr 1, 2011
Most people would prefer to exchange ''the truth of God for a lie'' and continue to hold onto church tradition rather than believe God's word for what it actually says. Romans 1:25 This tradition upholds the lie that satan told at Genesis 3:4 when he diliberately contradicted God. John 8:44 It requires humility to go against the minority and stand up for truth.
shawn3712 wrote:
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"sleep" is a figure of speech.
there is no existence in death, death is the opposite of life.
if you remove the power from the bulb the light doesnt sleep,its gone.
remove nails from wood and the box goes "bye bye"
when the "breath of God" or spirit leaves the body the soul no longer exists.
a soul cannot be without a body because a soul is not a thing its a state of being alive. it means "life"
body+spirit=life

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#10 Apr 1, 2011
Jesus called death a sleep but he made sure that we didn't take his words out of context for he qualifies that statement by confirming that the dead.... are indeed dead.

John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Larazarus is dead.

Since: Jun 10

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#11 Apr 1, 2011
anj wrote:
Most people would prefer to exchange ''the truth of God for a lie'' and continue to hold onto church tradition rather than believe God's word for what it actually says. Romans 1:25 This tradition upholds the lie that satan told at Genesis 3:4 when he diliberately contradicted God. John 8:44 It requires humility to go against the minority and stand up for truth.
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"Most people would prefer to exchange the truth of God for a lie and continue to hold onto church tradition rather than believe God's word for what it actually says."

I've been warning Shawn about this for the longest while. I'm happy you've taken the opportunity to warn him as well.

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#12 Apr 1, 2011
shawn3712 wrote:
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"sleep" is a figure of speech.
there is no existence in death, death is the opposite of life.
if you remove the power from the bulb the light doesnt sleep,its gone.
remove nails from wood and the box goes "bye bye"
when the "breath of God" or spirit leaves the body the soul no longer exists.
a soul cannot be without a body because a soul is not a thing its a state of being alive. it means "life"
body+spirit=life
You are quite correct. If you switch off the electricity, the blub would grow dark. But the bulb remains until the power returns. The Element of life continues even after the body decays.

Similarly for the box. There is no box if it is disassembled, but the boards and the nails remain. The Element of life continues even after the body decays.

You continue but in a state of deep sleep, oblivious to everything, even the passage of time. There is no consciousness in death, no memory, no dreaming, no planning or experience ... your life is hid in God, until the day you hear his voice like Lazarus, only on that Day you will come forth to receive your reward whether of eternal life or damnation.

GOD WILL NOT RAISE A CLONE OF YOU, but YOU IN TRUTH!

Since: Jun 10

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#13 Apr 1, 2011
Mr_Know it all wrote:
Jesus called death a sleep but he made sure that we didn't take his words out of context for he qualifies that statement by confirming that the dead.... are indeed dead.
John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Larazarus is dead.
You are correct. Sleep is a figurative term for death, but one does not use a figurative term for the sake of having a nice thing to say.

The two are the same (sleep and death) except in one point. In death, the body is no more so that the awakening is by the word of God and the word of God ALONE! Until then, you are hid in God until that Day.

GOD WILL NOT RAISE A CLONE OF YOU, BUT YOU IN TRUTH!

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#14 Apr 1, 2011
theCircle wrote:
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You are correct. Sleep is a figurative term for death, but one does not use a figurative term for the sake of having a nice thing to say.
The two are the same (sleep and death) except in one point. In death, the body is no more so that the awakening is by the word of God and the word of God ALONE! Until then, you are hid in God until that Day.
GOD WILL NOT RAISE A CLONE OF YOU, BUT YOU IN TRUTH!
Circle,Circle

You are really confused IF you think we're talking about being raised up as clones. Was Larazus, Mose or Christ clones when they were resurrected?

Why would humanity that has died from the "natural result of sin" needs to be hid in Christ?

Again. I'm still looking for a scripture from you that states the wicked dead are hid in Christ.

We shouldn't confuse the result of sin with the penalty of sin.

The dead are indeed dead their thoughts perish that very day.
Eccel.9:5,6 Psalms 146:4



Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#15 Apr 1, 2011
theCircle wrote:
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EVERYONE.
As in Adam, ALL died; so in Christ, ALL shall be made alive.(1 Cor. 15:22)
Even Jesus said, "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat. 10:28)
Here, Jesus clearly speaks of a resurrection unto damnation, about persons who are reserved for utter and complete destruction in hell-fire, even through and after the passage of death.
Then I guess Paul lied because ALL did NOT die. Enoch and Elijah did NOT die! That should do it for you guys, but NOOOO you WANT to still believe that Paul was a real apostle. Good luck with that!

Here is the thing: The "living soul" is like the light in a flash light. Without the bulb and the body of the flash light, there would NOT be any light! And without the batteries,(as the spirit) there would also not be any light. It is totally gone!

At the resurection, the body (flashlight case and bulb) will be made again by God and the spirit will again be placed into the flesh body to again make a living soul.

Also, when you turn OFF the flashlight, the POWER is taken away and the flashlight and bulb just rest.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#16 Apr 1, 2011
theCircle wrote:
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Shawn doesn't know what he is saying. The Bible does not teach that the dead go out of existence, rather that a person who is dying is entering a deep sleep: EVERYONE!
But the wicked at the very end of time, after the second resurrection are completely taken away into oblivion, out of existence in the fires of hell.
By the way, Dan. 12:13 is evidence that the dead stay in the ground until the resurection.

Since: Jun 10

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#17 Apr 1, 2011
Mr_Know it all wrote:
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Circle,Circle
You are really confused IF you think we're talking about being raised up as clones. Was Larazus, Mose or Christ clones when they were resurrected?
Why would humanity that has died from the "natural result of sin" needs to be hid in Christ?
Again. I'm still looking for a scripture from you that states the wicked dead are hid in Christ.
We shouldn't confuse the result of sin with the penalty of sin.
The dead are indeed dead their thoughts perish that very day.
Eccel.9:5,6 Psalms 146:4
Of course their thoughts perish. How can the dead be alive? That's a terrible thing to even think about, and for some people frightening indeed!

You are quite correct: the dead are indeed dead. Life is not a movie, and there is no such thing as a living dead.

Let us therefore hear the conclusion of the whole matter according to Solomon: "Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who give it." (Ecc. 4:7)

Then there is another place were he ponders all things grand and wonderful: "Who knows whether the spirit of the sons of men go upward and the spirit of the animal goes downward to the earth?" (Ecc. 3:21)

Here Solomon is not talking about the personification of the process of breathing called "BREATH", but the spirit within you that God gave to you at conception which makes you a human being capable of looking and acting like God and defines who you are.

That is the spirit which is hid in God upon death, the deep sleep of complete unconsciousness while the body decays into the dust. This is the spirit which hears the voice of God in the end and awakens in the resurrection, and it is the spirit for which God provides new bodies as he sees fit.

GOD DOES NOT RESURRECT A PERFECT CLONE OF YOU, BUT YOU INDEED!

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#18 Apr 1, 2011
Rockroller wrote:
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By the way, Dan. 12:13 is evidence that the dead stay in the ground until the resurection.
That is true. I've never seen a dead person suddenly levitate and rise very high into the clouds. They always just lie there and somebody locks them up in a coffin and buries them under the ground. You have spoken correctly.

They all become dust. But everyone will live again! Can a deaf person hear? Of course not! Their ear-drums are damaged or some other aural mechanism! Imagine all the molecules disintegrated into the dust ... how can that person hear anything at all?

What then is responsible for their hearing the voice of God at the resurrection?

GOD DOES NOT RESURRECT A PERFECT CLONE OF YOU, BUT YOU INDEED!
anj

Houston, TX

#19 Apr 2, 2011
I wasn't warning Shawn, I was commending him for being truthful. He quoted the scriptures and they were very clear, no wrong thinking there unless you want to say God's word is wrong.
theCircle wrote:
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"Most people would prefer to exchange the truth of God for a lie and continue to hold onto church tradition rather than believe God's word for what it actually says."
I've been warning Shawn about this for the longest while. I'm happy you've taken the opportunity to warn him as well.

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#20 Apr 2, 2011
The dead in Christ and those that have died in their sin all go the way of the grave.

David who knew it was nigh that he should die states to his son Solomon " I go the way of all the earth" 1 Kings 2:1,2

All go unto one place, all are of a dust, and all turn to dust again. Eccel.3:20

This "theory" of a person going to hell or heaven at death destroys the biblical doctrine of the resurrection, the 2nd coming of Christ and the judgment of the last day.

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