Does Satan still have access to Heaven

Does Satan still have access to Heaven

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Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#1 Mar 22, 2010
Question: "Does Satan still have access to Heaven? Why does God allow Satan to enter Heaven, as recorded in the Bible?"

Answer: Satan was originally one of God’s holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven (Luke 10:18). That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan’s kingdom was vanquished at the cross (John 12:31-32). Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years (Revelation 20:1-3) and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity (Revelation 20:10).

Until his final judgment, Satan is “the prince of this world”(John 14:30), but it seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms. In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God.(See 2 Chronicles 18:18-21 for a similar situation involving a “lying spirit.”)

Since God is holy and absolutely without sin (Isaiah 6:3), and since He will not even look on evil (Habakkuk 1:13), how can Satan be in heaven? The answer involves God’s sovereign restraint of sin. In Job 1, Satan stood before God to give an account of himself. God initiated the meeting, led the proceedings, and remained in absolute control (verse 7). The result was that Satan’s power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified.

Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God’s presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God’s throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being,“quarantined,” as it were, by God’s regulatory power. And, 4) Satan’s access is only granted prior to the final judgment. After the judgment, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1), wipes away all tears from our eyes (verse 4), reveals the New Jerusalem (verse 10), and promises the complete absence of sin (verse 27).

When we say,“God cannot allow sin into heaven,” we simply mean that God cannot allow human beings who are still in their sin to live in His presence. But it is possible for God to command a sinful being to stand (temporarily) in His presence in order to commission him (Isaiah 6), to exact an account from him (Job 1-2), or to judge him (Revelation 20:11-15) without compromising His holiness.

God’s holiness will eventually consume all sin. Until that day, His holiness regulates sin, and that means that Satan, on certain occasions, is briefly summoned before his Creator to give an account of his actions.

Gotbiblequestions

“Born again of His Holy Spirit”

Since: Jun 09

New England

#2 Mar 22, 2010
POC,
I think Rev. 12 wraps it up rather nicely. EVER SINCE Christ was crucified, resurrected, ascended and gave the Holy Spirit among men, Satan has been cast out, barred from heaven. Actually, I don't think there is any communication between God and satan at all. All of satan's judgement was determined at that time. Its the metering out of that judgement that time unfolds.

[9] And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW IS COME salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] AND THEY OVERCAME HIM BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Paul from California

Reno, NV

#3 Mar 22, 2010
I admit that I don't quite understand God's word when he says there will be new heavens and a new earth and that sin and death/satan will not enter into God's new heavens and new earth.

Rev 21
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea

Rev 22v14

Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

v15
For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#4 Mar 22, 2010
M4, you seriously have a mental problem

post # 3 is not mine
me inhim

Alloa, UK

#5 Mar 22, 2010
EGW says SATAN WILL GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO FINISH THE WORK OF ATONEMENT!! WHEN JESUS LAYS HIS HANDS AND PLACES ALL THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED ON HIS HEAD!!

SHE SAYS THE ATONEMENT IS NOT FULLY COMPLETED!!

LEV 16; 10 WAS THE COPY TYPE!! THE REAL THING WILL HAPPEN SOON IN HEAVEN . JUST BEFORE THE SECOND COMING!!
me inhim

Alloa, UK

#6 Mar 22, 2010
by Ellen G White.

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. When the high priest, by virtue of the blood of the sin offering, removed the sins from the sanctuary, he placed them upon the scapegoat. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. The scapegoat was sent away into a land not inhabited, never to come again into the congregation of Israel. So will Satan be forever banished from the presence of God and His people, and he will be blotted from existence in the final destruction of sin and sinners." The Great Controversy, page 422.

"In like manner, when the work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary has been completed, then in the presence of God and heavenly angels and the hosts of the redeemed the sins of God's people will be placed upon Satan; he will be declared guilty of all the evil which he has caused them to commit." The Great Controversy, page 658."

"Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him." Early Writings, pp. 294, 295.

LINK> http://www.truthorfables.com/Scapegoat.htm
Prophecies

Arlington, VA

#7 Mar 23, 2010
"EGW says SATAN WILL GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO FINISH THE WORK OF ATONEMENT!!"

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Where did she say this?
duskom8

Brussels, Belgium

#8 Mar 23, 2010
Prophecies wrote:
"EGW says SATAN WILL GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO FINISH THE WORK OF ATONEMENT!!"
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Where did she say this?
i also read somewhere in e g white, that number of the saved would be equal to the number of the fallen angels
me inhim

London, UK

#9 Mar 23, 2010
Prophecies wrote:
"EGW says SATAN WILL GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO FINISH THE WORK OF ATONEMENT!!"
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Where did she say this?
"In like manner, when the work of atonement in the heavenly sanctuary has been completed, then in the presence of God and heavenly angels and the hosts of the redeemed the sins of God's people will be placed upon Satan;"

This has to be the fullfillment of the type in Leviticus 16: 10-13
The final act of jesus placing the sins of the REDEEMED ON SATAN!!

The Earthly system was just a copy and it was dun on Holy Ground!

The scapegoat needs to recieve the sins of the redeemed by Jesus placing them on his head. This has to happen in a sanctuary correct?? If she is correct of course.

Jesus is BOTH GOATS and the high priest!! Satan plays NO part in the Atonement!! The Bible is clear that the scapegoat is an ATONEMENT!!!
Prophecies

Arlington, VA

#10 Mar 23, 2010
Ahh...so she didn't say that verbatim...that's just your interpretation of what you think she said.

Notice that she said:

"then in the presence of God and heavenly angels and the hosts of the redeemed the sins of God's people will be placed upon Satan"

Where is Heaven physically at this point? In Heaven or on Earth? Notice that the redeemed are in Heaven. The only time in the SOP I can recall where she says the redeem are in Heaven is during the 1000 years (but Satan's on Earth at this point) and when the Heavenly city descends to planet Earth from where it is now.

I don't see where it can be intimated that Satan goes back to Heaven just for the purpose you described. I believe this event transpires on Earth sometime after the conclusion of the 1000 years.
me inhim

London, UK

#11 Mar 23, 2010
Prophecies wrote:
Ahh...so she didn't say that verbatim...that's just your interpretation of what you think she said.
Notice that she said:
"then in the presence of God and heavenly angels and the hosts of the redeemed the sins of God's people will be placed upon Satan"
Where is Heaven physically at this point? In Heaven or on Earth? Notice that the redeemed are in Heaven. The only time in the SOP I can recall where she says the redeem are in Heaven is during the 1000 years (but Satan's on Earth at this point) and when the Heavenly city descends to planet Earth from where it is now.
I don't see where it can be intimated that Satan goes back to Heaven just for the purpose you described. I believe this event transpires on Earth sometime after the conclusion of the 1000 years.
Thats your interpretations NOT EGW!!

Lev 16: 10
But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an ATONEMENT with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

EGW,Says the ATONEMENT is NOT completed!!!

The eartly system was done in a SANCTUARY when the scapegoat was presented to GOD in the MOST HOLY!! So for it to be completed SATAN MUST BE PRESENTED TO GOD IN SAME MANNER AS THE EARTHLY SYSTEM!!! yes or no?

IF SATAN IS YOUR SCAPEGOAT AND JESUS PLACES THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED ON HIM?, THIS HAS TO BE IN A HOLY SANCTUARY WHERE GOD IS!. HOW WILL JESUS DO THIS IN THE FUTURE WHEN HE GAVE US HIS WORD THAT THE REDEEMED SINS ARE NOT RECORDED & BLOTTED OUT! AND HE SAYS THOSE SINS ARE NOT REMEBERED!! DOES JESUS LIE OR DOES HE MAKE ERRORS LIKE PROPHET EGW?

DOES JESUS PLACE THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED ON SATAN? EGW SAID YES!

BIBLE SAYS NO!!

me inhim
Michael G

Stockton, CA

#12 Mar 23, 2010
me inhim wrote:
EGW says SATAN WILL GO BACK TO HEAVEN TO FINISH THE WORK OF ATONEMENT!! WHEN JESUS LAYS HIS HANDS AND PLACES ALL THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED ON HIS HEAD!!
SHE SAYS THE ATONEMENT IS NOT FULLY COMPLETED!!
LEV 16; 10 WAS THE COPY TYPE!! THE REAL THING WILL HAPPEN SOON IN HEAVEN . JUST BEFORE THE SECOND COMING!!
Dan or Me inhim

you do not understand the sanctuary pattern, that’s why you keep making errors in judgment...

The court yard is where Christ died, that’s where the animals are all slain, Christ died on this earth...not in Heaven

The Bodies of animals never entered the Holy Place, they stay outside in the court yard..
Michael G

Stockton, CA

#13 Mar 23, 2010
Court Yard = Earth where Christ died on the Altar of Sacrifice..
me inhim

London, UK

#14 Mar 23, 2010
Michael G wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan or Me inhim
you do not understand the sanctuary pattern, that’s why you keep making errors in judgment...
The court yard is where Christ died, that’s where the animals are all slain, Christ died on this earth...not in Heaven
The Bodies of animals never entered the Holy Place, they stay outside in the court yard..
I know Christ died on EARTH in same way the FIRST GOAT DIED on EARTH!

We are DISCCUSING THE SECOND GOAT NOT THE FIRST GOAT!!
ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE SECOND GOAT WAS PRESENTED TO GOD IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE BEHIND THE CURTAIN! YES OR NO??

THE SECOND GOAT WAS WITHOUT BLEMISH AND USED AS AN ATONEMENT!! YES OR NO?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED WERE PLACED ON THE SECOND GOAT!! YES OR NO.

EGW SAID THE WORK OF ATONEMENT IS NOT YET COMPLETED! YES OR NO?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE ATONEMENT IS FINISHED! YES OR NO?

PLEASE REPLY TO THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
Michael G

Stockton, CA

#15 Mar 23, 2010
Dan1

you need to stop reading Commentaries and read your Bible,, you cannot understand the commentaries until you read the Bible...

you have again mis quoted a person because of Ignorance of Scripture and the sanctuary
me inhim

London, UK

#16 Mar 23, 2010
EGW SAID THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED WILL BE PLACED ON SATAN BY JESUS! YES OR NO?
EGW SAYS THIS WORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET!! YES OR NO?
Michael G

Stockton, CA

#17 Mar 23, 2010
me inhim wrote:
EGW SAID THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED WILL BE PLACED ON SATAN BY JESUS! YES OR NO?
EGW SAYS THIS WORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET!! YES OR NO?
The Sacrifice of Christ was Finished in the Court yard,“Earth”, not the plan of the sanctuary is the Whole Plan of Salivation, not to minimize the Purpose of the Cross in the Court Yard

Really Dan, I think you are just out to persecute not learn, you ignore simple truths like the "Scapegoat being Azazel"
me inhim

London, UK

#18 Mar 23, 2010
Michael G wrote:
<quoted text>
The Sacrifice of Christ was Finished in the Court yard,“Earth”, not the plan of the sanctuary is the Whole Plan of Salivation, not to minimize the Purpose of the Cross in the Court Yard
Really Dan, I think you are just out to persecute not learn, you ignore simple truths like the "Scapegoat being Azazel"
You haven't answered ONE QUESTION!! Why?

Here's the questions again!

We are DISCCUSING THE SECOND GOAT NOT THE FIRST GOAT!!YES OR NO?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE SECOND GOAT WAS PRESENTED TO GOD IN THE MOST HOLY PLACE BEHIND THE CURTAIN! YES OR NO??

THE SECOND GOAT WAS WITHOUT BLEMISH AND USED AS AN ATONEMENT!! YES OR NO?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED WERE PLACED ON THE SECOND GOAT!! YES OR NO.

EGW SAID THE WORK OF ATONEMENT IS NOT YET COMPLETED! YES OR NO?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE THE ATONEMENT IS FINISHED! YES OR NO?

EGW SAID THE SINS OF THE REDEEMED WILL BE PLACED ON SATAN BY JESUS! YES OR NO?

The SDA church have REMOVED the word "ATONEMENT" FROM LEV 16: 10 FROM THEIR "CLEAR WORD BIBLE". YES OR NO?

PLEASE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS THE BEST YOU CAN.
Dojcin

Hudsonville, MI

#19 Apr 25, 2010
The Scape goat was cast out in the outer court as well. Not in the Holy of Holies. The sacrifice of the goat was done on the altar in the outer court which represents the earth (Leviticus 16: 15) and the judgment upon Azazel happened in the outer court as well. (16: 20-22) This is especially clear in the verse 23 where after the sins of the people are laid on Azazel, Aron GOES BACK to the tent of meeting [sanctuary]. Therefore the judgement upon Azazel did not occur in the holy nor in the most holy [under the tent of meeting] but in the outter court.
Mark M

Kampala, Uganda

#20 Jan 23, 2012
Do understand how and why Satan accesses heaven read: "Overcoming Satan in one short Sentence" by Makko Musagara Published by Holy Fire Publishing, USA. This book also gives you the weapon to overcome the DDevil.

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