Thief On The Cross - Debate
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Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#1 Sep 1, 2012
Which story is the correct account of what really happened at the cross?

A.
Matthew 27
38Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
39And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
40And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
41Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
42He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
43He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
44The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

B.
Luke 23
33And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
36And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,
37And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.
38And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#2 Sep 1, 2012
Both.
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#3 Sep 1, 2012
djconklin wrote:
Both.
Can you prove this, because that is not how it reads?
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#4 Sep 1, 2012
In one account the writer states that both the thieves mocked him.

In the other account it states one mock him.

So how are you going to prove your opinion?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5 Sep 1, 2012
Jesus is my brother wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you prove this, because that is not how it reads?
Matthew is giving a condensed version of the events at that time. Luke is simply fleshing it out.
birdman

Charleston, IL

#6 Sep 1, 2012
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>Matthew is giving a condensed version of the events at that time. Luke is simply fleshing it out.
is that satan trying to confuse people with his posts?

Dj is correct both accounts
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#7 Sep 1, 2012
Let us compare the words of each account to each other and see who is telling a lie.

We do not need someone to tell us what our eyes can see.

COMPARE AND TELL ME THE TRUTH AS GOD IS YOUR WITNESS.

ARE THESE THE SAME?

Matthew 2744The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Luke 23
39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
40But the other answering rebuked him,
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#8 Sep 1, 2012
No matter how many times these two liars djconklin, birdman, tell you they are the same.

THEY ARE NOT.

djconklin birdman
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#9 Sep 1, 2012
are liars.

And they lie about what we all can read word for word.
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#10 Sep 1, 2012
So I ask you all

WHY DO THEY LIE ABOUT THIS?

When we can all read word for word, exactly as it is written, by those who gave their own account, of what happened that day in question?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#11 Sep 1, 2012
I live in S. St. Paul,, MN; 200 Marie Ave.,#513

Note that he/she/it calls me a liar with no proof--now you know who is lying.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#12 Sep 1, 2012
>When we can all read word for word, exactly as it is written, by those who gave their own account, of what happened that day in question?

Luke wasn't an eyewitness.

Luke 1:1-4 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

He/she/it lies on the simple stuff because he/she/it doesn't know the Bible.
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#13 Sep 1, 2012
djconklin wrote:
>When we can all read word for word, exactly as it is written, by those who gave their own account, of what happened that day in question?
Luke wasn't an eyewitness.
Luke 1:1-4 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, 4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
He/she/it lies on the simple stuff because he/she/it doesn't know the Bible.
Were you an eye witness?

A. yes

B. no
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#14 Sep 1, 2012
I just proved that you not being an eye witness have no proof or truth as to who was an eye witness.

Just your unproven opinion that you believe is the truth.
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#15 Sep 1, 2012
The fact still remains as I have pointed out and proved that

and as you have even pointed out yurself.

That there are 2 different accounts from 2 different eye witness.

You pointed out that Luke was told by an eye witness.

Very good.

That still makes what I said good.
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#16 Sep 1, 2012
djconklin wrote:
I live in S. St. Paul,, MN; 200 Marie Ave.,#513
Note that he/she/it calls me a liar with no proof--now you know who is lying.
You stated that BOTH accounts were true.

Then you contradict that statement by trying to discredit Luke's account because you say he was not an eye witness.

You have proved yourself to be a liar. By your own words.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#17 Sep 1, 2012
>Were you an eye witness?

Not required to be one--were you there?

>I just proved that you not being an eye witness have no proof or truth as to who was an eye witness.

You haven't proven anything--I, on the other hand, can read and understand simple English--apparently Luke's prologue is way above your pay grade. Go back to your coloring books and crayons.

>That there are 2 different accounts from 2 different eye witness.

You've made some assumptions there--what are they?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#18 Sep 1, 2012
>You pointed out that Luke was told by an eye witness.

That contradicts your post in #14.
WWJD

Sydney, Australia

#19 Sep 1, 2012
Jesus is my brother wrote:
In one account the writer states that both the thieves mocked him.
In the other account it states one mock him.
So how are you going to prove your opinion?
Let's say you were teased by 2 people, and I told others that 2 people were teasing you, yet another person telling the story only mentions one of the person who was teasing you.

So tell me, is one of them lying?
Jesus is my brother

San Antonio, TX

#20 Sep 1, 2012
djconklin wrote:
>Were you an eye witness?
Not required to be one--were you there?
>I just proved that you not being an eye witness have no proof or truth as to who was an eye witness.
You haven't proven anything--I, on the other hand, can read and understand simple English--apparently Luke's prologue is way above your pay grade. Go back to your coloring books and crayons.
>That there are 2 different accounts from 2 different eye witness.
You've made some assumptions there--what are they?
I do not have to be an eye witness. I can read the accounts of 2 eye witness's es.

They are not the same.

You have already went on record as saying that they are both right.

That makes you a liar. Because they cannot be both right.

If so then prove it.

WE DO NOT NEED YOU TO TELL WHAT IS WRITTEN AND WHAT NOT IS WRITTEN, WE CAN READ IT OURSELVES.

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