s SPIRITUAL QUESTION BILLIONS HATE

s SPIRITUAL QUESTION BILLIONS HATE

DANNO

London, UK

#1 May 23, 2012
1. Did the Apostles recieve the HOLY SPIRIT in John 20: 22 or after the conversion of Paul and of Luke in ACTS 2: 1-4

1a. Who instructed Luke to write his book and the book of Acts?[LUKE 1: 3 gives a clue]

2. Was Peter already BLESSED with the HOLY Spirit when Paul said those accusation on Peter in GAL 2 ?

3. Do you believe GAL 2 was Inspired by the Holy Spirit?

4. Was Paul blessed with the HOLY SPIRIT when he wrote Gal 2 5.

5. Was Ananias blessed with the HOLY Spirit like the apostles were in John 20: 22 ?

6. Was the HEALING by Ananias to Paul eyes from GOD?

the above 7 simple spiritual questions would test your understanding on GOD & his TRUTH and on Satan deceptions. Matt 24: 4 & vers 24 & Matt 10: 32-33

Dan

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#2 May 24, 2012
Dan,

Luke-Acts is recognised as an unreliable pseudo-historical creation written early in the second century. One purpose was an attempt to paper over the cracks between the Pauline ("Christians") and the Jerusalem ("Jesus-party") sects.

Galatians was written about 75 years previously. The first Gospel was written about 70 CE by Paul's companion John Mark, in defence of Paul's positions. Matthew's gospel was written by the opposing camp as a rejoinder. John's Gospel was written about the end of the first century.

No writing was inspired by the holy spirit. They are all human.

In my opinion, your view that there was a supernatural involvement is holding you back.

Doug
birdman

Arthur, IL

#3 May 24, 2012
POST 2 "GARBAGE"
DANNO

London, UK

#4 May 24, 2012
birdman wrote:
POST 2 "GARBAGE"
Birdie.

Does this mean you approve of post No1? and that post No1 is NOT GARBAGE?

Dan
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#5 May 24, 2012
Doug Mason wrote:
Dan,
Luke-Acts is recognised as an unreliable pseudo-historical creation written early in the second century. One purpose was an attempt to paper over the cracks between the Pauline ("Christians") and the Jerusalem ("Jesus-party") sects.
Galatians was written about 75 years previously. The first Gospel was written about 70 CE by Paul's companion John Mark, in defence of Paul's positions. Matthew's gospel was written by the opposing camp as a rejoinder. John's Gospel was written about the end of the first century.
No writing was inspired by the holy spirit. They are all human.
In my opinion, your view that there was a supernatural involvement is holding you back.
Doug
Douog, please tell me your thoughts on John 14:26 and 17:17-22? What I see here is that Jesus told only His eye witness disciples that the Holy Spirit would cause them to remember everything that He said and did. This is an extreemly important verse as it does away with thinking that Matthew and John wrote from memory only.

Also that Jesus prayed for those who read the words of His eyewitnesses is an extreemly important text. This shows that Jesus knew they would write what He said and it would be protected and made available for everyone to read, and more importantly, that those of us who read those same words and abide in them have been prayed for by Jesus Himself!

It's clear to me that Jesus also knew that Paul, Luke and Mark would write stuff and have it placed in the same place where the words of Jesus are found. Why, because of the prophecy on the wheat and the tares. This also shows us that Jesus knew that Paul's words would deceive most everyone who says that they believe in Jesus because of his own made up gospel of love, faith and grace.

For a Pharisee like Paul, hearing a voice telling him that [God's] grace is sufficient would be a thrilling thing to have happen because of the stress Pharisee's were held to in keeping all of thier own man made statutory laws. I know many people love to sigh the song "Amazing Grace" because of how they feel knowing that they don't have to keep all of the ten commandments anymore because they have been assured by Paul that you don't need to keep them to be saved. Wearing a cross around one's neck will not save anyone and prisons are filled with people that have tatoo's of crossees and religious pictures. Who are they kidding--God? It's not about God loving us, it is all about us showing our true love for God by keeping all of the commandments and abiding in the words of Jesus.

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#6 May 24, 2012
Hi Rock,

Climb outside John's Gospel and look at it objectively. It was the last Gospel written, so it would be the least likely to accurately reflect the precise words.

Who wrote it? Was was their objective? Against whom was he writing? What was the tradition of the group that wrote it?

Are the wrods attributed to Jesus at a particular point genuine? How do those words reflect the synoptists, and if not, why?

The writings of Paul originated a religion quite foreign to the Jewish tradition, which was being carried on through the sect at Jerusalem.

I am not saying whether I prefer Paul, or not. I am saying that we need to have our minds climb back in time and walk through the period with three- dimensional senses, taking full note of the time each piece was written. Also to identify which of the NT writings were correctly identified. The selected writings reflect the views of the dominant church that made the decision. What writings do the Coptic Church accept (a genuine question, as I do not know)?

While you read that Jesus said "such-and-such", that information is internal, subjective. That is not objective forensic evidence; other criticisms need to be brought to bear.

I do not know all the answers, perhaps none. But before I investigate I need to know the correct questions, and be able to eliminate assumptions. I believe we all need to do it.

I am fully aware, of course, of the power of belief. I am interested in the power of fact.

Worship God by all means, but do not worship a book; especially a human one.

Doug

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#7 May 24, 2012
Rock,

Another thought: Mark's Gospel was the first written, about 70 CE. Matthew's Gospel drew heavily on it and added material from tradition, oral and written (Q?). His objective was to convince Jews that Jesus formed the continuum of their traditions, hence the nature of his version.

The person Mark, whom Matthew drew on, is generally accepted as being the John Mark who accompanied Paul. That is the reason Mark's Gospel is seen as pro-Pauline while Matthew's counters Paul (re: Law, etc.).

Given that heritage of Mark => Matthew, it is clear that even after his death, Paul influenced those Gospels.

John's Gospel is not in the same vein and regularly runs counter to the synoptists.

It is likely that Luke-Acts came afterwards, possibly as late as 125 CE.

All of this is common knowledge among Bible scholars. It is by no means radical.

Doug

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#8 May 24, 2012
If a person has to keep the Ten Commandments, which are located at Ex 34, then has anyone ever kept them fully, perfectly all the time?

If "salvation" is then dependent on keeping these laws, who can be saved?

Where does Jesus fit into this model if faith and grace are false teachings?

Doug

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#9 May 24, 2012
birdman,

PROVE me wrong.

I am comforted by the thought that others see these terms being hurled baldly in my direction without those reponses containing substance or fact.

Mine are supported by Bible scholars, whose books are readily available.

Doug

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#10 May 24, 2012
Part of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS" from the Bible:
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“Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

“Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel.

I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your territory, and no one will covet your land when you go up three times each year to appear before the LORD your God.

“Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast, and do not let any of the sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.

“Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God.

“Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Then the LORD said to Moses,“Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote ON THE TABLETS the words of the covenant—the TEN COMMANDMENTS.(Exodus 34:21 – 28, NIV)
DANNO

London, UK

#12 Sep 16, 2012
Why do so many hate & AVOID those spiritual questions in post No1 ??

Dan
just musing

Greenville, TX

#13 Sep 26, 2012
So, are we saying you can prove your ability to be one step closer to God and perfection through your own disciplined application of willpower to endure hardship or temptation?

Look at me. I've kept all 10 Commandments perfectly from my youth, what else do I have to do to be saved?

The very desire to do any of this is not of yourself, no man comes to the Father save The Spirit call him. Now you're going to prove to this Spirit (who is trying to provide you a way to escape certain Hell) that you don't need much help... thank you very much, God, but hey, lookit what I can do for myself... just to prove I love You

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#14 Sep 26, 2012
Isaiah 64:6-8

"But we are all as an unclean thing,
and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities."

8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father;
we are the clay, and thou our potter;
and we all are the work of thy hand.

Just Now Father, I surrender all!

It's a daily walk!

bibleuniverse

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#15 Sep 26, 2012
Luke 13:24-25
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:"

"Strive"

bibleuniverse

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#16 Sep 26, 2012
Matthew 7:14 Because "strait" is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and "few" there be that find it.

bibleuniverse

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#17 Sep 26, 2012
Danno, why is it that every single topic you create, your titles always start with a small letter? Like "s SPIRITUAL..."?

You have created a small letter preceding every topic you have made. It looks sloppy.

Can you not try to be a little more organized and not be so careless?

Keep things clean cut and organized, for the sake of the reader. Thanks.
DANNO

London, UK

#18 Oct 19, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Danno, why is it that every single topic you create, your titles always start with a small letter? Like "s SPIRITUAL..."?
You have created a small letter preceding every topic you have made. It looks sloppy.
Can you not try to be a little more organized and not be so careless?
Keep things clean cut and organized, for the sake of the reader. Thanks.
Liesomuch

Who taught you to be such a good a liar?

Dan
candid

Australia

#19 Oct 19, 2012
DANNO wrote:
1. Did the Apostles recieve the HOLY SPIRIT in John 20: 22 or after the conversion of Paul and of Luke in ACTS 2: 1-4
1a. Who instructed Luke to write his book and the book of Acts?[LUKE 1: 3 gives a clue]
2. Was Peter already BLESSED with the HOLY Spirit when Paul said those accusation on Peter in GAL 2 ?
3. Do you believe GAL 2 was Inspired by the Holy Spirit?
4. Was Paul blessed with the HOLY SPIRIT when he wrote Gal 2 5.
5. Was Ananias blessed with the HOLY Spirit like the apostles were in John 20: 22 ?
6. Was the HEALING by Ananias to Paul eyes from GOD?
the above 7 simple spiritual questions would test your understanding on GOD & his TRUTH and on Satan deceptions. Matt 24: 4 & vers 24 & Matt 10: 32-33
Dan
[1] Yes..Jesus blew on his disciples and said " receive Holy Spirit" before the conversion of Paul.

Luke wrote his account to Theophilus and wrote it in logical order and because he traced [studied..searched] all things to do with Christ with accuracy from the start...He wasn't instructed to do it by any man..but like all scripture was inspired of God to write it.

[2] Yes Peter was blessed by Holy Spirit..but we all need to be reproved , because there is no man who is good and never sins.

[3] yes..all scripture is inspired of God.

[4] Yes Paul was inspired to write Galatians.

[5] Yes Ananias was blessed by Holy Spirit..seeing it was God that sent him to Paul.

[6]..Yes , because Ananias received a vision in which the Lord spoke to him, to go to Paul..and Paul also received a vision that a man would be sent to him.

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