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Scripture shows the Investigative Judgement

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Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#1 Apr 1, 2013
Hiram Edson and certain other members of the Adventist movement were guided into the belief that the event predicted by Daniel 8:14 was not the return of Christ, but rather Christ's entrance into the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary.

Adventists came to believe that the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary involves a work of judgment. This new conviction formed the foundation of the Adventist doctrine of the sanctuary and the investigative judgement.

Adventist began to teach that a judgment had begun in 1844 when Christ entered the Most Holy Place. Subsequently, in 1857, James White wrote in the Review and Herald (now the Adventist Review) that an "investigative judgment" was taking place in heaven, in which the lives of professed believers would pass in review before God.

The investigative judgment is one of the most contested doctrines of the Adventist church.

Some asked why its not laid out clearly so they can follow it as easy as the 7 days of Creation. Well if Christ's first advent and death on the Cross was so important, why was it not stated clearly in the Old Testament so that even a Jewish child could have recognized Jesus as the Messiah.

Why did the prophets before Christ came, not make a clear, pronounced declaration to remove all doubts from the minds of Jews and Gentiles about the time and purpose of Christ's first advent.

Why was it the best of the Jewish theologians and scholars didnt recognize the Christ as the Messiah, since they had studied scripture extensively?

Why was it so obscure that even the disciples, after walking with Christ for three and a half years, couldn't see what His real mission was as He hung on the cross?

Why, because even if the very prophets were standing before them, there would be those who would attack the truth and twist it so as to cloud what was from God. Many of the Jews wanted a Messiah to save them from the Romans and other local problems and others really wanted only the glory and prestige of a Messiah King, they didn't want Him asking them to surrender their hearts and wills to Him.

They wanted a Messiah as they envisioned that didn't make them repent give up any sin, indulgence of self pleasure or lust.When the Messiah came, they wanted no atoner for sins, they wanted a conquering king!

The sanctuary message brings with it the message that we must surrender our lives to Christ and part with our pet sins. That is not a popular message especially in these last days.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#2 Apr 1, 2013
So we will be judged? Lets take a look at scripture:

Daniel 7.9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.(22) the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given in favor of the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Matthew 12.36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

John 5.22
For the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment unto the Son:
5.27 And has given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Romans 14.10-12
We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2 Cor. 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad.

Acts 3.18-19
But those things, which God foretold by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he has so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 17:30-31
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Because he has appointed a day,(can also be translated, time) in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom he has ordained; He has given assurance of this to all men, by raising him from the dead.

Romans 2:15-16
...Which show the work of the law written in their hearts,...In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments" for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#3 Apr 1, 2013
Some say it's only the wicked that are judged, but the Bible clearly indicts that all will appear before the judgment throne of God, some will receive the judgment of condemnation, others will be judged worthy by the blood of the Lamb.
2 Thess. 1.5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, 1 Peter 4.17,18
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

There are judgment texts all through the New Testament as well as the Old Testament. The apocalyptic books of Daniel and Revelation tell us when and where judgment will take place, and need to be studied in order to see God's plan of dealing with sin in the full scope of history.
The Judgment Books and Their Records
The idea of books in heaven with our deeds and names recorded in them is also all through the Bible.
Daniel 7 --which is the most graphic judgement scene declares that thrones are set up, everyone takes their seats, God Himself takes His seat, then the BOOKS ARE OPENED THE JUDGEMENT IS SET. Christ appears in the clouds at that judgment. He is our Advocate, our lawyer according to THE APOSTLES, He is also the One who gives the final sentence on each person.

Revelation also presents books of record which contain the evidence for judgment:
Revelation 20.12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Malachi tells us about heavenly books containing our records:
Malachi 3.16-17
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#4 Apr 1, 2013
Either our Sins or our Names will be blotted out of the Lambs Book of Life....
Exodus 32.33

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
David understood this — He desperately wanted his sins blotted out of those books and his life cleansed so he could stand uncondemned in judgment while God remained JUST in His dealings.
Psalm 51.1-4
Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy loving kindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psalm 51.9-10
Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

The apostle Peter urges us:
Acts 3.19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Jesus, shows how important it is for our names to be brought up in the judgment. Notice the parallels in His words, with Daniel 7, as names are brought up before the God and before the angels.
Matthew 10.32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Luke 12.8,9
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
Revelation gives us this promise:
Revelation 3.5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Yes, these texts, all taken together, fill in the details as we once again look in on that heavenly court scene in Daniel 7:

Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were set up, and the Ancient of days took His seat. His garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7.22 The little horn wars against the saints, Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was made to vindicate the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#5 Apr 1, 2013
When Christ stands up, investigative judgment is complete. The book of life contains all the names of the saved.

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Then the declaration will go forth as found in Revelation.

Revelation 22:11-15
The time is at hand! He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

"As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance. The Lord declared to Moses: "Whosoever hath sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book." Exodus 32:33. And says the prophet Ezekiel: "When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity,... all his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned." Ezekiel 18:24.

All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life. The Lord declares, by the prophet Isaiah: "I, even I, am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for Mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins." Isaiah 43:25. Said Jesus: "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels." "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Revelation 3:5; Matthew 10:32, 33." (GC.483)
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#6 Apr 1, 2013
The IJ is false teaching. Beware of those who teach the words of Paul and EGW! Why? Because God said both were false--Rev. 2:2 and 2:18-24!
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#8 Apr 3, 2013
Have you even read your Bible and try to understand, this is ridicules what you repeatedly post.
Robert Two

Cumberland Park, Australia

#9 Apr 3, 2013
Hobie wrote:
Have you even read your Bible and try to understand, this is ridicules what you repeatedly post.
"The world CANNOT receive the spirit of TRUTH"
GOD knows they cannot..END OF STORY.
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#10 Apr 3, 2013
You can only share it and let the Holy Spirit guide them to the truth.
Robert Two

Australia

#11 Apr 3, 2013
Hobie wrote:
You can only share it and let the Holy Spirit guide them to the truth.
"The world CANNOT receive the spirit of TRUTH"

The HOLY SPIRIT cannot force the world to ACCEPT any TRUTH.
This is a miracle before OUR EYES.

Since: Jul 10

UK

#12 Apr 4, 2013
In the IJ when my name comes up who's righteousness(garment) will be presented before the universe
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#13 Apr 4, 2013
Lesirter wrote:
In the IJ when my name comes up who's righteousness(garment) will be presented before the universe
It won't be yours and it won't be mine.

Christ's Garment and will only be by our Faith in Him.

Since: Jul 10

UK

#14 Apr 4, 2013
birdman wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't be yours and it won't be mine.
Christ's Garment and will only be by our Faith in Him.
Thanks Birdman
Robert Two

Australia

#15 Apr 4, 2013
birdman wrote:
<quoted text>
It won't be yours and it won't be mine.
Christ's Garment and will only be by our Faith in Him.
FAITH THAT WORKS only and no other way !
Hobie

Cape Coral, FL

#16 Apr 4, 2013
Lesirter wrote:
In the IJ when my name comes up who's righteousness(garment) will be presented before the universe
If you have truly accepted Christ, then his righteousness(garment) will be presented. But God will be the judge, not you or I.
His4everFriend

Grants Pass, OR

#17 Apr 4, 2013
Hobie wrote:
<quoted text>If you have truly accepted Christ, then his righteousness(garment) will be presented. But God will be the judge, not you or I.
And to further add... Jesus Himself will stand in our place before the Father and the Father will see His merits, His life in place of ours. Christ "in us" the hope of glory. The Father will see Jesus who is alive in those who have surrendered and allowed Him to live in our hearts.

His4everFriend
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#18 Apr 4, 2013
Lesirter wrote:
In the IJ when my name comes up who's righteousness(garment) will be presented before the universe
You are confusing me: should I believe YOU, who stated that the PURPOSE of the IJ is for the UNIVERSE,

OR must I believe Marvin Moore who wrote that the IJ is to convince SATAN and the angels that God judged correctly,

OR must I believe Miss Ellen who saw in VISION that the IJ was FOR GOD, so He could decide "which names must be accepted and which names must be rejected"

OR must I blieve the BIBLE John 5:24

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#19 Apr 4, 2013
The pre-advent judgment erroneously called the investigative judgment is the focus of the book of Revelation.

The 10 chapter of Revelation is the Millerite movement

Chapter 11 opens with the pre-advent judgment.

And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 11:1-2

Note: It is only the temple, alter, and the worshipers that are measured / judged.

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. 11:18-19

Note: Clearly we are looking at the judgment. The judgment takes place while the nations are angry. The judgment gives reward to the saints, prophets, and them that feat God’s name.

“there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:” The judgment is a function the ark of the testament which resides in the heavenly temple.

“shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.“ This is a reference to Isaiah 24 especially v5.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Revelation 12:10-11

Note: The judgment puts to and end of “the accuser of our brethren” accusations.

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 14:6-7

Note:“The hour of his (God) judgment” takes place while “the everlasting gospel” is “preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.”

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1

“shall not come into condemnation”; “no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus”

Note:“we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.” Romans 14:10 This judgment is while the gospel is preached to all nations and before the last plagues C15 v8
We all stand before the judgment seat of Christ but we do not condemnation if we are in Christ and walk by the Spirit.

Since: Jul 10

UK

#20 Apr 4, 2013
Debbie Reid wrote:
<quoted text>You are confusing me: should I believe YOU, who stated that the PURPOSE of the IJ is for the UNIVERSE,
OR must I believe Marvin Moore who wrote that the IJ is to convince SATAN and the angels that God judged correctly,
OR must I believe Miss Ellen who saw in VISION that the IJ was FOR GOD, so He could decide "which names must be accepted and which names must be rejected"
OR must I blieve the BIBLE John 5:24
I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.(Eccl 3:17 KJV)

For we must ALL appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.(2 Cor 5:10 KJV)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.(John 5:24KJV)

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.(Eccl 12:13-14KJV)
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#21 Apr 4, 2013
Lesirter: ALL Christian churches believe in a pre-Advent judgment! But ONLY SDA ADDED an "investigation", particularly of OUR WORKS which is viewed as OUR PART in the salvation process.
Every day sinners accept Jesus and are judged by their wise decision, and they STAY SAVED by the intercession of Jesus our High Priest.

Doug: forget the story that Rev 10 "refers to the Milletites". Brainwashing causeded many to believe this. NOTHING to do with Miller, but has to do with JOHN. So, people who lived 1500 tears ago had to wait for the Millerites to come by with a non-sensical interpretration of Dan 8:14 AND the Adventists to be birthed before they could REALLY understand Rev 12:17.? Be realistic and try studie OUTSIDE the SDA BOX!

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