Whats the Differents between SDA & Un...

Whats the Differents between SDA & United Church Of God.

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sabath Keepers

Ivanhoe East, Australia

#1 Apr 24, 2010
Both Keep the sabath & Clean & Unclean not to be eatend. pls advice

“Born again of His Holy Spirit”

Since: Jun 09

New England

#2 Apr 24, 2010
Nothing. Both are in bondage to the Law. If you prefer religion over a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, either one will do!
Earthcaller

Orlando, FL

#3 Apr 24, 2010
Both are actually wrong because they do not understand the Final Atonement. Keeping the Sabbath and abstaining from unclean food does not constitute the Everlasting Gospel although the Sabbath a part of that Gospel as revealed in the Sanctuary. If the Sanctuary is not properly understood then most people will drift into the one Atonement theology of the Evangelicals and this is what has happened to the SDA mainline and the other church which you stated never had the Atonement right in the first place.

Since: Apr 10

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#4 Apr 24, 2010
sabath Keepers wrote:
Both Keep the sabath & Clean & Unclean not to be eatend. pls advice
I believe UCOG teaches an earthly millennium and the restoration of the Davidic kingdom. SDAs teach a heavenly millennium and a desolate earth during that time period. UCOG keeps the Jewish feasts, SDAs do not. UCOG also teaches that England/UK is the true Israel or lost tribe, something like that. SDAs teach a spiritual Israel as the inheritors of the promises to Abraham,'out of every kindred, tongue, people, nation.' SDAs teach a heavenly sanctuary, UCOG does not. SDAs teach the eternal pre-existence of Christ, UCOG does not.

Thats for starters, I think that is correct.
Smokie

London, KY

#5 Apr 24, 2010
sabath Keepers wrote:
Both Keep the sabath & Clean & Unclean not to be eatend. pls advice
JOhn said all things were cleansed by Christ and can be eaten...LOOK IT UP> google it...I don't have time to write all these scriptures down since I work and take care of a disabled husband...but I will if you cannot find it on google.
The apostles did NOT keep the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified. Google it.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#6 Apr 24, 2010
Smokie wrote:
<quoted text> JOhn said all things were cleansed by Christ and can be eaten...LOOK IT UP> google it...I don't have time to write all these scriptures down since I work and take care of a disabled husband...but I will if you cannot find it on google.
The apostles did NOT keep the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified. Google it.
Yes, the apostles did keep the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified. Go to the Bible to find the answers, look in the book of Acts.

Yes, all things are ceremonially cleansed by Christ, there is no more ceremonial uncleanness as there was for the Jews.

No, that does not mean that God doesn't care about our health, or that it is okay to eat foods which are harmful for us. Such items as mice, buzzards, pork, bottom feeders and the like are unhealthy to eat, and that has not changed over time. The reference to 'unclean' meats means 'dirty' or 'filthy' meats. Beef, for example, is healthier as a food source because of the animal's diet, the four stomachs to digest the food, etc.
Smokie

London, KY

#7 Apr 24, 2010
Earburner wrote:
Nothing. Both are in bondage to the Law. If you prefer religion over a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, either one will do!
Both will get you where you don't want to go...
Smokie

London, KY

#8 Apr 24, 2010
Earthcaller wrote:
Both are actually wrong because they do not understand the Final Atonement. Keeping the Sabbath and abstaining from unclean food does not constitute the Everlasting Gospel although the Sabbath a part of that Gospel as revealed in the Sanctuary. If the Sanctuary is not properly understood then most people will drift into the one Atonement theology of the Evangelicals and this is what has happened to the SDA mainline and the other church which you stated never had the Atonement right in the first place.
That is the strangest thing I have heard yet...
Smokie

London, KY

#9 Apr 24, 2010
sabath Keepers wrote:
Both Keep the sabath & Clean & Unclean not to be eatend. pls advice
Google it...read John...Jesus cleanses everything to eat if you take it with thanksgiving.
Kim Lee Wang

AOL

#10 Apr 24, 2010
Both of those two denominations are CULTS...because each one believes THEY ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH!

Since: Apr 10

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#11 Apr 24, 2010
Smokie wrote:
<quoted text> Google it...read John...Jesus cleanses everything to eat if you take it with thanksgiving.
John what chapter and verse? And what is meant by 'cleanses'? Can you make bad food healthy by eating it with thanksgiving?

“Born again of His Holy Spirit”

Since: Jun 09

New England

#12 Apr 25, 2010
Earthcaller wrote:
If the Sanctuary is not properly understood then most people will drift into the one Atonement theology of the Evangelicals and this is what has happened to the SDA mainline and the other church which you stated never had the Atonement right in the first place.
PRAISE GOD!! The SDA's will finally be able to CHOOSE to OBEY "THE Gospel of God" and not the gospel according to SDA dogma, which is "another gospel", the gospel of works!
Smokie

Mount Vernon, KY

#13 Apr 25, 2010
Kim Lee Wang wrote:
Both of those two denominations are CULTS...because each one believes THEY ARE THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH!
There is ONLY one true Church. It is the ONE that Christ bought at Pentecost with his own blood. It is HIS body and he only has ONE body. Read Ephesians. It is his one and ONLY bride.
Jeffersonbc

Carindale, Australia

#14 Apr 30, 2010
The United Church of God is a relatively new religion. When Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God split up, this was one of the resultant splinter groups.

As has been said they believe in keeping the feasts esp the Passover Feast (unlike SDA)

They also have a different belief about the state of the dead. I don't thing they believe in the mortality of the soul.

Also they have a thing about Mary the Mother of God.

I met a COG member on the streets a few years ago. Surprised they kept the Sabbath and had some similar views to SDA on Revelation. These guys really know their Bibles well.
keniray

Rockford, IL

#15 Apr 30, 2010
Smokie wrote:
<quoted text> JOhn said all things were cleansed by Christ and can be eaten...LOOK IT UP> google it...I don't have time to write all these scriptures down since I work and take care of a disabled husband...but I will if you cannot find it on google.
The apostles did NOT keep the Sabbath after Jesus was crucified. Google it.
You twisted the text. It doesn't say cleansed by Christ, it says, sanctified by the Word of God. There's only one place in Scripture where food was sanctified by the Word of God - Deut. 14 and Levit. 11.

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
keniray

Rockford, IL

#16 Apr 30, 2010
There's one other text.

The clean/unclean under question is whether the Jew has performed the hand washing ceremony, not the food itself.

7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man,[it] cannot defile him;
7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

(Another evil thing that comes from within and defiles the man is disobedience to the laws of health which is a form of self-murder.)
brother winston

London, KY

#17 May 1, 2010
keniray wrote:
<quoted text>
You twisted the text. It doesn't say cleansed by Christ, it says, sanctified by the Word of God. There's only one place in Scripture where food was sanctified by the Word of God - Deut. 14 and Levit. 11.
1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Thank you for these two posts, you saved me the labor of doing a very similar refutation. Perhaps some should read and apply Deuteronomy 8:3, which is reinforced in Matthew 4:4 and in Luke 4:4. Shabbat Shalom.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#18 May 1, 2010
Earburner wrote:
Nothing. Both are in bondage to the Law. If you prefer religion over a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, either one will do!
Bunk.

Read Steps to Christ and Desire of Ages. Both show you about developing a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

You can never, ever trust a critic of the SDA church to tell you the truth on anything. You always have to double-check.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#19 May 1, 2010
Smokie wrote:
<quoted text>There is ONLY one true Church. It is the ONE that Christ bought at Pentecost with his own blood. It is HIS body and he only has ONE body. Read Ephesians. It is his one and ONLY bride.
That is correct. That's why prior to the 2nd coming Jesus says:

KJV Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

You are not saved by being a member of a specific denomination. The only question on that score is: are you in Christ?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#20 May 1, 2010
>JOhn said all things were cleansed by Christ and can be eaten...LOOK IT UP>

If that was true then you don't have to worry about salmonella, listeria or trichinosis. Why you don't even have to pasteurize your milk!

Now google food poisoning and see what you find.

"•The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that in the United States, food poisoning causes about 76 million illnesses, 325,000 hospitalizations, and up to 5,000 deaths each year.... More than 250 known diseases can be transmitted through food. The CDC estimates unknown or undiscovered agents cause 81% of all food-borne illnesses and related hospitalizations."

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