List of More Than 500 Sabbath Keepin...

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#21 Jun 10, 2009
SAMBEE WROTE: To say only the SDA Movement fulfills that is putting yourslef way out there don't you think?
No, not at all. Do you know who else fulfills all the identifying marks? If you do, tell it.
What if the remnant has not yet been revealed to the world?
If you understand the prophecies, you would know that the remnant has been revealed. Here is part of the reason:

The first beast of Rev. 13 arose and was "wounded" at the end of the 1, 260 years. That period began in 538 AD (when the Arian Ostrogoths were defeated at Rome and left the bishop of Rome to rule the WEstern Church) and extended 1, 260 years later, which comes to 1798. That was the exact year in which the papacy received a "mortal wound," meaning that it appeared to destroy it. But the prophecy was that this power would return to power, and it has.

The second beast arose about the time the first beast was descending power. As shown above, that was in 1798. What power was coming up? The United States. It said it would go on to become a great superpower in the world and would support the first beast. The United States is that power. This was predicted on the basis of this prophecy as far back as the 1860s and even before, when both the papacy and the US were of little significance in the world.

The prophecy concerning the "remanent" shows that they would come on the scene of action shortly after the rise of the earth-beast of Rev. 13. It would have 3 major identifying marks: 1) It would arise shortly after 1798. 2) It would proclaim the three angels messages around the world. 3) It would keep the commandments of God, meaning the Sabbath as well as the rest of the moral law. 4) It would have the gift of prophecy.

Can you show any other group besides the SDA church that fulfills these identifying marks?
There are over 500 known sabbath keeping churches just think of how many people in the world that keep Yahweh's Laws that are not known of by the world and the prophecies which have been foretold by them which the world does not know of but they themsleves see them being fulfilled each day.
Those people are doing right, and may of them learned of the Sabbath through SDAs and their literature. There are over 15 million SDAs scattered all over the world. Over 30 million participate in some way in Sabbath School. The message is going to the world, just like the prophecies said it would. This is just part of the message. The other part has to do with the Second Coming and what Christ is doing in the heavenly sanctuary to help prepare us for His soon coming in glory.
Many of those people who are beginning to learn about the Sabbath and to keep it will join with us when they see more of the truth. God is preparing hearts and minds to receive the whole truth. The Sabbath is an important part of the Three Angles Messages but it is not the whole of it.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#22 Jun 10, 2009
Paul from California wrote:
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Pow, this is a huge mistake that your pushing ,
your claim is centered around the meaning of the
word.........COMMANDMENTS..... .....
The word commandments does not mean the TEN C's
God used the Heb word "CHOQ" in the OLD T
which means the TEN C's
The word God uses here in Rev 14 is "ENTOLE"
which are the COMMANDMENTS OF CHRIST.......
you are misleading the sheep.
Paul, my friend, how far in the seminary did you go?

From your analysis here, it certainly would appear that you need to go back and take some more classes, especially in biblical languages.

Don't take this as a "put down." I'm quite serious.

You are making an elementary mistake that even a good freshman theology student wouldn't make.

Please, for your sake, take the time to seriously study (prayerfully) the following information. Get your Bible and open to the passages referred to.

Check out Matt. 15: 3, 6, 9.

What word does Christ use for "commandment of God" and "commandments"?

He is obviously referring there to the Ten Commandments, right? Now look in the Greek NT and tell me what word does our Lord use there?

Next look in the Hebrew and tell me which word is used in Deut. 4: 40.

Compare also the Hebrew word used in Ex. 24: 12, which is a direct reference to the Ten Commandments.(Notice that the Hebrew word is the same in Ex. 20: 7 and Deut. 5: 10 as it is in Ex. 24: 12.)

Also show what Greek word in the Septuagint is used to translate the Hebrew word in Ex. 24: 12 and Deut. 4: 40.

Deut. 6: 17 calls the Ten Commandments "the commandments of the Lord your God." These are the commandments of God, obviously. See the Hebrew word used here and compare it with the Greek word used in the Septuagint. You will find it is the same as that used in the NT, in Rev. 12: 17 and 14: 12, as well as in Matt. 15 and Romans 7 and 13.

Notice that in Matt. 15: 6, our Lord calls one of those commandments-- the fifth commandment-- "the commandment of God".

Question: If the one of the Ten Commandments is called "the commandment of God," what would we call all ten of the commandments?

Obviously two or more would be called "the commandments of God."

See also Romans 7: 7 to 13 where the same word is used of the Ten Commandments.

Also Romans 13: 9, where again the same word is used of the Ten Commandments.

The above proves conclusively that the Greek word "entole" is the word used in the NT to refer to the Ten Commandments. Both Jesus and Paul used that word to refer to the Ten Commandments. It is the same word used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew word for "commandments" in the OT,(as when referring directly to the Ten Commandments in Ex. 24: 12).
Sambee

Fultondale, AL

#23 Jun 10, 2009
Shalom PITB,

Yahweh has had people keeping his laws and sabbaths way before the existance of any SDA Church.There also was a remnant of Isarel that kept them after the death of Yahshua which still exist to this day in the land of ethiopia and they have the original writings which have been passed down from generation to generation.
Sambee...

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#24 Jun 10, 2009
Sambee wrote:
Shalom PITB,
Yahweh has had people keeping his laws and sabbaths way before the existance of any SDA Church.There also was a remnant of Isarel that kept them after the death of Yahshua which still exist to this day in the land of ethiopia and they have the original writings which have been passed down from generation to generation.
Sambee...
OK, but this is not a denial of that fact.

The whole concept of "the remnant church" in reference to the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation has to do with the end-time events and the issues related to Christ's Second Coming. But of course you are right that God has always had people who were keeping the Sabbath.

But here the Sabbath is connected to a system of truth that is interconnected and related to eschatology.
Christopher E Traugott

United States

#25 Jun 10, 2009
Powerintheblood wrote:
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Sambee,
Merely going to church on the Sabbath-- or acknowledging that Saturday is the true Sabbath of the Lord-- is not itself alone what makes a group or people "the remnant" or true church.
What does that is the Three Angels Messages, the keeping of God's commandments (all ten of the Ten Commandments, not just nine of them), and the Spirit of Prophecy. There is also the fact that the prophecy points to a church that comes on the scene soon after the sea-beast power receives the deadly wound and goes into captivity, and after the earth-beast arises. This group of believers will be a world-wise church because it will have a message regarding "judgment that has come" for the whole world. These marks of identification are only fulfilled in the Seventh-day Adventist movement.
Another time when PITB has got it all messed up.

The point is The Dragon is not at war with the woman the SDA church but the remnant of her seed those who are the &#277;kkl&#275;sia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a compound of 1537 and a der. of 2564; a calling out,

The little company, the few, the chosen, the remnant, the people of God, those who are walking in the light, etc.

Obviously it is not the Sabbath keeping people for look at the list it is those who do not worship the false god's and breaking the 1st commandment its not all about the 4th the only one that the SDA's acknowledge as being the only one of the 10 commandments that will make the whole world persecute them but they can break tahe 1st and go along with the PAPA of the LITTLE HORN and that does not matter. WHat's wrong with this picture that they paint? What SDA will be fooled by a NSL. It is the 1sst commandment breaking that they have swollowed and not noticed the march the Devil has made on them. wORSHIPPING THE TRINITY THE DRAGON WENT IN THE BACK DOOR TO THE SDA CHURCH.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#26 Jun 11, 2009
Christopher E Traugott wrote:
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Another time when PITB has got it all messed up.
The point is The Dragon is not at war with the woman the SDA church but the remnant of her seed those who are the &#277;kkl&#275;sia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a compound of 1537 and a der. of 2564; a calling out,
The little company, the few, the chosen, the remnant, the people of God, those who are walking in the light, etc.
Obviously it is not the Sabbath keeping people....


The following quotes show without question that the woman was the church-- in both its Jewish and Christian forms-- and that the "remnant" are those who are keeping the commandments and the faith of Jesus and who also have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, the Spirit of Prophecy, which live shortly before the Second Coming of Christ. The remnant people are us living today as SDAs. No doubt about it. But the devil hates us to know it and will do anything within his power to drive this idea from our minds, and he inspires people--many who used to walk with us-- to try to put this thought behind us. In the same way, the devil hated for the people of God in Jesus' day to fully realize that they were God's chosen people.

Ellen White, God's prophet for these last days, wrote:

The substitution of the precepts of men for the commandments of God has not ceased. Even among Christians are found institutions and usages that have no better foundation than the traditions of the fathers. Such institutions, resting upon mere human authority, have supplanted those of divine appointment. Men cling to their traditions, and revere their customs, and cherish hatred against those who seek to show them their error. In this day, when we are bidden to call attention to the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, we see the same enmity as was manifested in the days of Christ. Of the remnant people of God it is written, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. DA 398

The trying experiences that came to God's people in the days of Esther were not peculiar to that age alone. The revelator, looking down the ages to the close of time, has declared, "The dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17. Some who today are living on the earth will see these words fulfilled. The same spirit that in ages past led men to persecute the true church, will in the future lead to the pursuance of a similar course toward those who maintain their loyalty to God. Even now preparations are being made for this last great conflict. Prophets and Kings (1917), page 605, paragraph 1
Lay Worker

Australia

#27 Jun 11, 2009
Christopher E Traugott wrote:
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Another time when PITB has got it all messed up.
The point is The Dragon is not at war with the woman the SDA church but the remnant of her seed those who are the &#277;kkl&#275;sia, ek-klay-see´-ah; from a compound of 1537 and a der. of 2564; a calling out,
The little company, the few, the chosen, the remnant, the people of God, those who are walking in the light, etc.
Obviously it is not the Sabbath keeping people for look at the list it is those who do not worship the false god's and breaking the 1st commandment its not all about the 4th the only one that the SDA's acknowledge as being the only one of the 10 commandments that will make the whole world persecute them but they can break tahe 1st and go along with the PAPA of the LITTLE HORN and that does not matter. WHat's wrong with this picture that they paint? What SDA will be fooled by a NSL. It is the 1sst commandment breaking that they have swollowed and not noticed the march the Devil has made on them. wORSHIPPING THE TRINITY THE DRAGON WENT IN THE BACK DOOR TO THE SDA CHURCH.
Christopher E Traugott

Rev 12:17 informs all men - especially SDA's who truly should know better - the Dragon is wrath with the woman - but makes war with the "remnant of the Woman's seed" not the woman.

The reason is crystal clear - the remnant of the woman are they "which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."



No amount of manipulation can change the text or the intent of prophecy of Revelation.

TO do so is to defy God

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#28 Jun 11, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
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Rev 12:17 informs all men - especially SDA's who truly should know better - the Dragon is wrath with the woman - but makes war with the "remnant of the Woman's seed" not the woman.
Woman = God’s people, Gen 3:15.

“Rest of her offspring”(“remnant”)= remainder; all through the Bible the faithful “survivors” who stay true to God when everybody else worships idols.

“Keep commandments of God”= all Ten of them.
Lay Worker

Australia

#29 Jun 11, 2009
Powerintheblood wrote:
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Woman = God’s people, Gen 3:15.
“Rest of her offspring”(“remnant”)= remainder; all through the Bible the faithful “survivors” who stay true to God when everybody else worships idols.
“Keep commandments of God”= all Ten of them.
Incorrect

Go away for a while and review Chapter 12 of Revelation carefully including in your review for us all who was the 'woman''nourishedi in the 'wilderness' for the 1260 years and then explain the flood issued by the serpent and dont stop there - move to verse 17 and while your there get all your books out and parse the same verse for what it says.


Your attempted answer has completely banished forever the raising of the SDA Church by God as a reality! It has debunked the High Priestly ministration by your feeble response.

In short - your response is clumbsy work, and truly ordinary. Uninspired.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#30 Jun 11, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
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Incorrect

In short - your response is clumbsy work, and truly ordinary. Uninspired.
Incorrect

In short- response is clumsy work, and truly ordinary. Uninspired.

Do you see how easy it is to write stuff like that? Where is the analysis and the evidence? You don't have any. You only show conclusions and almost no evidence.

I reflect back on you your words. Do they tell you anything? Neither do yours.
Lay Worker

Australia

#31 Jun 11, 2009
Powerintheblood wrote:
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Incorrect
In short- response is clumsy work, and truly ordinary. Uninspired.
Do you see how easy it is to write stuff like that? Where is the analysis and the evidence? You don't have any. You only show conclusions and almost no evidence.
I reflect back on you your words. Do they tell you anything? Neither do yours.
JUST because you want the analysis (pearls) before your eyes does not mean you cannot do it yourself or be guided by the Holy Spirit. Your response is the usual order of higher criticism.

It must be an gasping tragedy to experience 'dead zones' in the appreciation of Scripture. Surey all your precious books could not have failed you? Then ask Heaven for the needful appreciation of what Chapter 12 informs all men.

Its interesting how you wish to pass yourself as "resident theologian" yet you fail to apply the hermeneutic of historicism to recognize what was being said.

Whats astonishing is you have so much to say about this and that and when pressed concerning the reality of Bible prophecy for our hour your response shows its not on your lips.

be aware ,... SUFFICIENT information about chapter 12 HAS BEEN provided your way to put the exegetical problem together - and for you to do your own thinking - your latest repose indicates your not really a Berean and even if you hold the ability to pull the reality of Chapter 12 together, your showing your at a mighty loss presently. Why so?

Faithful men and women of God are in prayerful study and in reverence opening the Scriptures in awe , the Word of God!!

Repairers of the Breach!

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#32 Jun 11, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
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JUST because you want the analysis (pearls) before your eyes does not mean you cannot do it yourself or be guided by the Holy Spirit. Your response is the usual order of higher criticism.
It must be an gasping tragedy to experience 'dead zones' in the appreciation of Scripture. Surey all your precious books could not have failed you? Then ask Heaven for the needful appreciation of what Chapter 12 informs all men.
Its interesting how you wish to pass yourself as "resident theologian" yet you fail to apply the hermeneutic of historicism to recognize what was being said.
Whats astonishing is you have so much to say about this and that and when pressed concerning the reality of Bible prophecy for our hour your response shows its not on your lips.
be aware ,... SUFFICIENT information about chapter 12 HAS BEEN provided your way to put the exegetical problem together - and for you to do your own thinking - your latest repose indicates your not really a Berean and even if you hold the ability to pull the reality of Chapter 12 together, your showing your at a mighty loss presently. Why so?
Faithful men and women of God are in prayerful study and in reverence opening the Scriptures in awe , the Word of God!!
Repairers of the Breach!
Your post here is a good example of why you are ignored by me. You need to deal directly with evidence and stay on topic. Until you learn to do that, I will have nothing further to say to you.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

United States

#33 Jun 11, 2009
Powerintheblood wrote:
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Your post here is a good example of why you are ignored by me. You need to deal directly with evidence and stay on topic. Until you learn to do that, I will have nothing further to say to you.
As I read over the trinity topic, I believe you need to answere the recurring post by lay worker on the comparisons-you have not done so, I think out of courtesy you should..shouldnt you?
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

United States

#34 Jun 11, 2009
PIB

While your working on the answeres to Lay I have one for you...

Since there are over 500 Sabbath keeping churches...

What is the uniqueness of adventism?

Or what makes adventism unique, going back to the roots of adventism?
Lay Worker

Australia

#35 Jun 11, 2009
Hello Mene

See your only been here for a short while - here is a recap: its Just marvellous how PIB avoids at all cost the plainest language of Rev 12:17.

What do you say Rev 12:17 is saying MMTU?

Since PiB cannot respond to the claims of the text of Rev 12:17 and that enough information has been provided by Heaven concerning the WOMAN in chapter 12 of Revelation (and more so about the remnant of "HER" seed) its simple to see the antecedent of her being the woman, not the remnant, it is asked how should any man beleive his commentary on the Papal TRIUNE Trinity that its not of the Little Horn?

Further Mene - have you noted the same LH is revealed within the very chapter 12 of Revelation and he cannot answer!

It is becoming plainer every day for PiB to make a response about chapter 12 (Revelation) would reveal the conundrum he continually has to face [and denies mind you - that is to say he writes he is holding no things similar to anything of the papacy] had you noticed this Mene?

and what about his continual support for small things papal is this not the working of the mystery of iniquity before our eyes!

Now concerning the this 500 thread Mene.
OK, So we get this long list of 500 Sabbath keeping churches. Then does not the force of Matt 24:24 ring true. I suggest this Mene becasue are you famialiar how the SDA Church in the last five decades denies its uniqueness of the specific one doctrine "The Sanctuary" that would set it apart from the 500 churches listed?

CONCLUSION: The WOMAN of Rev 12:17 has played the HARLOT; the remnant of "her" seed, God calls from out of her to be not a partaker of her sins and to leave her to go out to a meeting of HIM!

There are plenty of "Achans" alive still today!

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#36 Jun 11, 2009
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin wrote:
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As I read over the trinity topic, I believe you need to answere the recurring post by lay worker on the comparisons-you have not done so, I think out of courtesy you should..shouldnt you?
First of all, the topic of the trinity is off-topic here. Anything on that topic should be dealt with on the other discussion.

Second, the what you ask for has already been done on posts # 3122, 3124, 3125, 3127, among others, on the Trinity discussion. It won't be done again here.

It doesn't help to keeping posting the same post over and over again. You might try a different tactic if you want a reasoned response. But in any case, it will be done there, if anywhere, not here. This is not the appropriate place. Thanks.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#37 Jun 11, 2009
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin wrote:
PIB
While your working on the answeres to Lay I have one for you...
Since there are over 500 Sabbath keeping churches...
What is the uniqueness of adventism?
Or what makes adventism unique, going back to the roots of adventism?
Try looking at #21 for starters.

Adventism connects eschatology with the Sabbath, unlike the Seventh-day Baptists and other Sabbath-keepers.

The only truly unique doctrine that we hold is that of the Investigative Judgment and 1844.

Since: Mar 09

Palm Springs, CA

#38 Jun 11, 2009
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin wrote:
PIB
While your working on the answeres to Lay I have one for you...
Since there are over 500 Sabbath keeping churches...
What is the uniqueness of adventism?
Or what makes adventism unique, going back to the roots of adventism?
You are the nicest member of ALF, and I appreciate your politeness, but I realize are here to help your fellow ALF member, LW/HM.

Please go to the Trinity thread and look at posts # 3122, 3124, 3125, 3127. You will see the questions that LW/HM asks have been answered. However, if you yourself personally feel that the question has not been answered to your satisfaction, please feel free to pose further questions about the same issue.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

United States

#39 Jun 12, 2009
Lay Worker wrote:
Hello Mene

What do you say Rev 12:17 is saying MMTU?

it is asked how should any man beleive his commentary on the Papal TRIUNE Trinity that its not of the Little Horn?

Further Mene - have you noted the same LH is revealed within the very chapter 12 of Revelation and he cannot answer!

that is to say he writes he is holding no things similar to anything of the papacy] had you noticed this Mene?

I suggest this Mene becasue are you famialiar how the SDA Church in the last five decades denies its uniqueness of the specific one doctrine "The Sanctuary" that would set it apart from the 500 churches listed?

CONCLUSION: The WOMAN of Rev 12:17 has played the HARLOT; the remnant of "her" seed, God calls from out of her to be not a partaker of her sins and to leave her to go out to a meeting of HIM!
There are plenty of "Achans" alive still today!
Wow LW I enjoy stimulating questions, and I will try and answer e the ones above..But forgive me if I may, I would like to start with a comment you made-"there are plenty of Achan’s alive today!"
I sense the deep veins that are attached to this experience in the Bible--what do you mean?

What do you say Rev 12:17 is saying MMTU?

Isa 37:31-32 11:11 The Seventh-day Adventist church “Faithful city” has played the harlot, what other church has God given so much light? The “Woman” of 12.17 can be none else than Seventh-day Adventist church, it says the dragon went to make war with the remnant..Not the woman..Because they are keeping, not trying to keep the commandments. In my experience in the Seventh-day Adventist church it is openly taught and believed that they will continue to sin until Christ comes, when you put this together the remnant can’t be Seventh-day Adventist church.
It is asked how should any man believe his commentary on the Papal TRIUNE Trinity that it’s not of the Little Horn? It was the falling away of the Christian church, Pagan Rome threw a Papal cloak over their shoulder and was the sole author for the triune trinity. It has absolutely no roots in any other church, Methodist, Pentecostal, etc.

Further Mene - have you noted the same LH is revealed within the very chapter 12 of Revelation and he cannot answer!

Verse 11-how can the people of God overcome the Little Horn by the word of their testimony if they possess the same view on the main issue all along,(it's not going to be the Sabbath)? A corrupted testimony will not work when it comes to Dan 7.26- it would be impossible to take away the dominion of the Little Horn, the saints would never posses the Kingdome. V 22

I suggest this Mene because are you familiar how the SDA Church in the last five decades denies its uniqueness of the specific one doctrine "The Sanctuary" that would set it apart from the 500 churches listed?

In the infamous Seventh-day Adventist Evangelical conferences of 1955-56 Adventism was doomed, and sealed their corporate fate in 1980- denying for the first time the Dual atonement-by stating “Adventist hold not theory of a dual atonement” Questions on Doctrine. Only because the cool kids in school were tagging them as occult if they held to this truth, thus committing the uniqueness of Adventism to the Evangelical trash heap.

That is to say he writes he is holding no things similar to anything of the papacy] had you noticed this Mene?

Like as I said above, modern day Christianity so called has accepted the hand me down from Pagan Papal Rome when the whole trinity ideology was formulated in the councils that followed the falling away of the true Christian church.
I hope I answered your questions, and await more.
Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

United States

#40 Jun 12, 2009
Powerintheblood wrote:
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Try looking at #21 for starters.
Adventism connects eschatology with the Sabbath, unlike the Seventh-day Baptists and other Sabbath-keepers.
The only truly unique doctrine that we hold is that of the Investigative Judgment and 1844.
The IJ teaches (and I know this is what we were all taught growing up, and in others cases being taught before baptism- But does that necessarily make it valid?) that the righteous are being judged.

This is not what my Bible teaches.
Jn 5.24
Gods people do not come into judgement, are not being investigated. But rather a pre-advent Judgement is in a nutshell, the last act ofthe final atonement-they are being cleansed from sin, to sin no more, to stand before a holy God without an intercessor.

What do you believe happened in 1844?

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