Where did the Gentiles come from?
Rockroller

AOL

#22 Nov 28, 2010
Arbajo wrote:
The Gentiles came from the nations. The nations were the first people that God created. See Gen. 1:26-28. The nations believed a lie told by Satan and fell. God then created Adam and Eve to restore the nations to righteousness. If Adam and Eve had not disobeyed God, they would have taken the truth to the Gentiles and God's glory would have filled the earth.
God then brought a people out of Egypt to be his Kingdom but they too failed. Today the Kingdom of God is asleep. The question is ... will they ever wake up and hear the truth that God wants to teach them?
Wow! This is awesome! Few know this real truth! Keep it up!
Rockroller

AOL

#23 Nov 28, 2010
Terrilyn wrote:
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Obviously you have not read the Bible, just making jabs in the darkness out of your own opinions...Never heard of the tower of Babel?
Obviously, Terrilyn, he has read it more than you have and understand what he is reading. The Septaugint will help you to understand that the 6 day creation had to be thousands of years before Adam was MADE from the earth. But then only those who have 'insight'(Dan. 12) will understand some of these things.

Please do a study or research on the Sumar race and you will find that they were here on the earth before the timing of Adam. The bible is true--it has just been interperted wrong in the past.

The reason Adam was kept in the garden was to protect him from those outside. Adam was made mortal and would have died even if he had not eaten from the tree of wisdom. The ONLY thing that would keep him from dying a natural death was the tree of life.

Adam did NOT pay the penalty for his refusal to obey God. If he had, then we would not be here because all of us are offspring from Noah--and his sons were married to wives who were not righteous who contained DNA from the first creation. God made all of the races in the first creation.
Crazy Baptist

Winnsboro, SC

#24 Nov 28, 2010
SamBee wrote:
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Shalom,
Correct!!!
As you can see who ever judged your post reject the truth.The sons of Ham are not called Gentiles.
Genesis 10
1Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Seven Sons of Japheth:Gentiles
1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Croatians)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)
Sambee, Thank you:)

This answers the question were the gentiles came from. Genesis 10:5.

Thank you for your knowledge on this. May I ask; will you go back through this thread and try to address some of the other questions and key points that I and others have made?

Blessings, CB
Crazy Baptist

Winnsboro, SC

#25 Nov 28, 2010
Arbajo wrote:
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I read the bible every day. At the tower of Babel God confused the languages and scattered the people abroad. Where does it say that He changed their race or confused their DNA? If you take a Chinese man out of China and move him to the USA will he change into a white man or a black man or an American Indian? According to you we should all look like the American Indians by now.
I agree with CB there are some interesting clues given to us in Genesis. Here is another one... who named the four rivers mentioned in Gen. 2:10-14?
Never thought about that! Very good point!

Or the land of Nod? Who named that?

CB
Crazy Baptist

Winnsboro, SC

#26 Nov 28, 2010
SamBee wrote:
Shalom,
Where did Cain's wife come from? The Bible provides only one answer: Adam "had other sons and daughters" (Genesis 5:4).
Cain married one of his sisters.
A few have suggested this but we are only told of The Adam, The Eve, Cain and Abel. And Cain slew Abel. Leaving Adam, Eve, and Cain.

Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters but that was after Cain was forced to leave.

If the order in which the creation story is correct then friends we have a problem because Cain already knows of the violent people in the rest of the world - God confirms they are there - and no one has said where Cain's wife just poped up from.

No Cain married his siter doesn't really work as a solution to this delemma.

CB
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#27 Nov 29, 2010
Crazy Baptist wrote:
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A few have suggested this but we are only told of The Adam, The Eve, Cain and Abel. And Cain slew Abel. Leaving Adam, Eve, and Cain.
Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters but that was after Cain was forced to leave.
If the order in which the creation story is correct then friends we have a problem because Cain already knows of the violent people in the rest of the world - God confirms they are there - and no one has said where Cain's wife just poped up from.
No Cain married his siter doesn't really work as a solution to this delemma.
CB
Shalom,

Cain & Able are the main charcters of the story but others sons and daughters were born to Adam & Eve after Cain & Able were born.Now there is a teaching that I can go into that would suggest Cain was of the seed of Satan.

Let's start at the beginning of Genesis chapter three:

Genesis 3:1-6


1. Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Yahweh Elohim had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

In the Hebrew the word serpent is Hebrew word # 5175: nachash (naw-khawsh'); a snake (from its hiss). From # 5172: nachash (naw-khash'); a primitive root; properly, to hiss, ie: whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate: to practice divination, to divine, to observe signs, to learn by experience, to diligently observe, to practice fortune telling, to take as an omen.

This obviously is describing a person, and not a literal reptile.

This serpent is no ordinary snake! It is Satan himself. The serpent is just one of Satan's many names. In the book of Revelation there are several of Satan's names identified, but it is all the same one entity such as serpent, devil, or dragon.

The word tree is Hebrew word # 6086:`ets (ates); a tree (from its firmness) from # 6095:`atsah (aw-tsaw'); a primitive root; properly, to fasten (or make firm), ie: to close the eyes. figuratively: The spine giving firmness to the body (The body is the trunk, and the arms and legs are the limbs).

And God uses the word "trees" symbolically in the scriptures to mean People both good and bad. And below is just one example of 'trees' being used symbolically for people:

Isaiah 61:1-3

1 The Spirit of Yahweh Elohim is upon me; because Yahweh hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh, and the day of vengeance of our Elohim; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Yahweh, that he might be glorified.
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#29 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom CB,

This sure doesn't sound like Eve is just enjoying an apple, this is far more than an appreciation for literal fruit on a literal tree. All of this language is figurative and symbolic for what really happened. Does the account above sound like someone eating an apple to you?

Here is what really happened in the garden of Eden: Eve lost her virginity to 'the serpent,' whom was that 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden,' and who is none other than Satan himself.

By the way, I haven't seen the word 'apple' mentioned in these scriptures yet, have you? You won't either, nowhere in God's Word does it say that Adam and Eve ate an apple! Yet we see modern religious paintings showing Eve holding an apple. Why? Because it makes for good symbolism and makes a better story to hide what really happened.

Adam also partook of this 'forbidden fruit.' Satan is a super-natural being possessing supernatural powers, thus he can appear to Adam and Eve as two different things (beings, entities) if he had wanted to. Eve partook of the fruit of Satan, and then gave it to Adam and he ate of it...in other words, she was seduced by Lucifer to have sex with him, then she had sex with Adam and introduced Adam to the act of sex.

She was impregnated and conceived by the serpent first, then she conceived a second time from Adam. It is believed and not medically impossible that Eve got pregnant by both Satan and Adam at the same time and thus went on to bear twins (Cain and Able).

Genesis 3:7-13

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Eating apples doesn't make you ashamed of your nakedness! But losing your innocence and your virginity certainly can. We also notice that they didn't make masks to cover mouths that had just eaten apples; they made aprons to cover their 'private parts' because they were now more conscious of them and embarrassed.
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#31 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom Crazy Baptist,

Who was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden? Yahushua was. Who was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Lucifer. How do we 'eat of the tree of life?" We commune with Him. We are never to commune with Lucifer, and in this instance he seduced Eve, impregnated her, and began his own genealogical offspring and seedline on this earth that is part of us today.

Gen 3:14-15

14 And Yahweh Elohim said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

The phrase upon thy belly shalt thou go is A Hebraic (figure of speech) for utter defeat as in Ps 72:9 & Isa 49:23. The phrase dust shalt thou eat = A Hebraism (figure of speech) meaning an ultimate term of degradation, as in Ps 44:25.

Now the next verse will also show us the first mention of the promise of the Messiah Yeshua. This verse also contains the first prophecy in the Bible:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise thy. head and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The word enmity is from the Hebrew word #342 'eybah (ay-baw'); from 340; hostility: a primitive root; to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile. The phrase between thee and the woman = Not enmity between a garden snake and a woman, that doesn't even make sense! But enmity between the offspring of the serpent (Satan) and the offspring of the woman (Eve, through Adam, and thus of God). Between thy seed and her seed = seed: Hebrew word #2233 zera`- seed, sowing, offspring, a sowing, seed, semen virile, offspring, descendants, posterity, children. From #2232:to become pregnant, to be made pregnant. The word it refers to Jesus Christ. The phrase bruise thy head means Jesus destroying Satan. The word thou = Satan and bruise his heel = Satan causing the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Yeshua' heels were bruised when He was nailed to the cross. The offspring and descendants of the serpent (Satan) are called Kenites (which means sons of Cain; whom was the first murderer). These Kenites multiplied, and in the process of time four-thousand years later, went on to infiltrate the Hebrew peoples and distort the Hebrew religion of the Old Testament founding the religion of Judaism. It must be pointed out that all Hebrew peoples are not Jews! The term "Jew" is a religious moniker not a national identity as alleged.Today they call themsleves the Ashkenazi Jews this links into Esau's family who married into the family of the fallen angels.

Cain and Able were what is called 'Fraternal Twins.' Which is one birth of two children, conceived at different times. Cain was born first, then Abel

Satan knew that Yeshua the Messiah would come through the lineage of Eve. This was the first attempt by Satan to destroy the pure seed line that Messiah was to come through.
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#32 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom,

Many of you are hearing this for the first time. Because if you have sat in church programming all of your lives you haven't heard the truth even though it is right there in the Bible. The apple was figurative for sexual relations masked with the terminology "Eve was beguiled by Satan" and until people accept it as the truth it is, they will stay blind to the real war going on today which is between the Serpent Seedline and the rest of the human race.

Most church pastors today will pull out Genesis 4:1 which reads, "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord."

There are many omissions and translation errors throughout the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls confirm that Genesis 4:1 was tampered with. In fact the passage should read:

And Adam knew his wife Eve, who was pregnant by Sammael (Satan), and she conceived and bare Cain, and he was like the heavenly beings, and not like the earthly beings, and she said, I have gotten a man from the angel of Yahweh.

SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#33 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom,

Now we know that anything of the Lord is confirmed elsewhere. IF Cain was indeed Satan's son, we wouldn't have to count on just one passage to prove it.

In fact there are many:

I John 3:12 "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his (half) brother.." Here the word "of" in Greek is #1537 in the Strong's Concordance. When used implying a person, it means "a son of or offspring."

Compare this with other translations:

The New Testament in Modern English: "We are none of us to have the spirit of Cain, who was a son of the devil.."

Living Bible: "We are not to be like Cain, who belonged to Satan.."

New English Bible: "..unlike Cain who was a child of the evil one.."

New Century Bible: "Do not be like Cain who belonged to the Evil One."

New Jerusalem Bible: "..not to be like Cain, who was from the Evil One.."
And the popular commentaries confirm the same thing:

The Wycliffe Bible Commentary page 1473: "He (Cain) is said to have belonged to the family of the wicked one."

Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, volume 3, page 936. "Which showed him (Cain) to be of that wicked one, of the serpent's seed: so early was such seed sown, and so ancient the enmity between seed and seed."

Matthew Henry's Commentary, volume 6 page 1077: "It showed that he (Cain) was as the firstborn of the serpent's seed.."

In John 8:44 Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees and proclaimed,'Ye are of your father the devil.." The term "of" meaning generation, offspring. They were of the physical seed of their father the devil.

Trees are often used as metaphors in regards to people. Jesus was the "tree of life."
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#34 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom,

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.

Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, Cain. And that is what the Illuminati bloodlines of the New World Order don't want you to know. They are Cain's seed, of the wicked one. And it is this bloodline of Cain that is working together through the control of vast wealth around the world that is bringing the Antichrist to power.


Genesis 5:1, Cain is not mentioned in the lineage of Adam because he was not Adam’s seed, but of another, as we read in I John 3:12: Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one and slew his brother.

Also in John 8:44 we read: Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the FATHER of it. What was the first lie ever spoken? Ye shall not surely die. Who spoke it? Satan, the serpent did when he spoke to Eve and became the father of lies. Who was the first person murdered in the Bible? Abel. Who killed him? Cain, his brother, who was of that wicked one.(I John 3:12.)
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#35 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom Carzy Baptist,

Yahushua told the Pharisees of His day, "..ye are not my sheep.." in John 10:26. In Josephus, Wars 2:8:2 Jewish Historian Josephus makes it quite clear the Pharisees and Sadducees were not Israelites by birth:

For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of whom are the Pharisees; of the second the Sadducees; and of the third sect, who pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essenes. These last are Jews (Judah) by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.

The real Jews of Yeshua's day had absorbed those(Kahzars) with contaminated Kenite/Edomite hybrid blood, and therefore these could claim both Abraham and Isaac as their fathers.

Satan’s actual children are literally living, to this day among Yehovah's true Israelite people all around the world; masquerading as members of the Bride of Yeshua.

Thats the others side of the teachings of Cain something the ministers(of Satan) in the churches today will not tell the people.
SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#36 Nov 29, 2010
Shalom,

What does Yahweh put between the Woman's and Satan's Offspring, Descendants, Posterity, and Children?

Enmity, hatred.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel (Gen. 3:15)

How much more clearer could it be that Satan has his own OFFSPRING, DESCENDANTS, POSTERITY AND CHILDREN ON EARTH TODAY?



How could Yahweh put enmity between
the seedlines if they didn't exist?



They don't want you to know they co-exist among the generations and nations of people today...Why? Because they rule and control the world so they can bring about Satan as the Antichrist to Power.Don't forget Satan said he would be like the Most High how does he ascend above the heights of the clouds? Space Shuttles.How is he the all knowing eye Satellites,the space station is his throne above the stars.(Isaiah 14:12-16)

SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#37 Nov 29, 2010
Arbajo wrote:
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I read the bible every day. At the tower of Babel God confused the languages and scattered the people abroad. Where does it say that He changed their race or confused their DNA? If you take a Chinese man out of China and move him to the USA will he change into a white man or a black man or an American Indian? According to you we should all look like the American Indians by now.
I agree with CB there are some interesting clues given to us in Genesis. Here is another one... who named the four rivers mentioned in Gen. 2:10-14?
Shalom,

The problem you have is that the Tower of Babel is after the flood.(Genesis 10:32) Now see (Genesis 11:1-9) this is when the people were scatered not before the flood but after.The races of the people came through Shem,Ham,and Japheth.

SHEM: Dusky (Skinned)

HAM: Dark (Skinned)

JAPHETH: Fair (Skinned)
Arbajo

Sarnia, Canada

#38 Nov 29, 2010
Sambee, I think we are saying the same thing. The races did come through the three sons of Noah. Their wives contained all of the DNA of the races and passed it on to their children.



SamBee

Tuscaloosa, AL

#39 Nov 30, 2010
Arbajo wrote:
Sambee, I think we are saying the same thing. The races did come through the three sons of Noah. Their wives contained all of the DNA of the races and passed it on to their children.
Shalom,

The man is the seed the women only carries the egg DNA would come through the seed of the man.The women was taken from man(Adam) which means she carries Adam's DNA as well.You made some good points on the thread keep posting I would love to hear more of your input.
Earthcaller

Orlando, FL

#40 Dec 5, 2010
Crazy Baptist wrote:
Guys and Sister Terrilyn, I knew these would be thought provoking questions when I asked them.
Could we please try and put on our thinking caps and rightly devide this Word?
I don't know the answers pertaining to this. The only evidence that the Word offers is a conversation between God and Cain and then that was (as I see it) shrouded in mystery.
Here was their conversation:
Genesis 4:13-17 4Cain said to the Lord,“My punishment is more than I can bear.
14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
CB asks: Who was Cain refering to here? Where did these people he is talking about come from? Are they the Gentiles? Why were they not mentioned in the creation story?
15But the Lord said to him,“Not soe; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
CB asks: Again we see God mentioning and confirming that there was indeed people other than Adam, Eve and Cain. Where did these people come from? Are they the Gentiles?
16So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,f east of Eden.
CB asks: Who built Nod? Who lived there?
17Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.
CB: Cain did what? Where did his wife come from? Cronologically at this point we have been told, according to the creation account, that there should have been only Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel and Abel was killed. Was Cain's wife a gentile?
CB
Nod simply means the land of exile. Keep in mind that when Cain was exiled he built the first city in the land of exile which was Enoch city. The name suggests the place where the commencement of the mystery religions had their beginning. Enoch was probably the high priest of Enoch city. The name Enoch means "one is initiated in mysteries of secrets". I found this information in the book Secrets of the Lost races by Rene Norbergen.
Crazy Baptist

Winnsboro, SC

#41 Dec 5, 2010
Earthcaller wrote:
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Nod simply means the land of exile. Keep in mind that when Cain was exiled he built the first city in the land of exile which was Enoch city. The name suggests the place where the commencement of the mystery religions had their beginning. Enoch was probably the high priest of Enoch city. The name Enoch means "one is initiated in mysteries of secrets". I found this information in the book Secrets of the Lost races by Rene Norbergen.
Thanks EC:)

Any thoughts on the other questions I posted?

Blessings, CB
wensday

Georgetown, Canada

#42 Dec 6, 2010
Crazy Baptist wrote:
If we are all to believe the Creation story as a record of events, true and accurate then where did the Gentiles come from?
CB
Jesus said they SHALL COME (future tense, silly) form the East and West and sit in Moses's seat.
CBW

Las Vegas, NV

#43 Jan 8, 2011
Some of these interpretations of scripture are WILDLY offensive. God is God. He is faithful which we learn all throughout scripture. HE would NOT allow the entire world to be deceived by HIS Word. You have really put Him inside a box if you don't think He could control what came into print. All is used for good according to His purposes. His Spirit is supposed to be our main guiding light, our Lodestar. And as I pray about this, which should be your most crucial step(and one that seems to be lost to some of your so called fact finding), I will choose to believe His Word over your imperfect human logic. You have a small fact here and a scroll there. Have you any clue how much we will ever really know is missing??? But He allowed what needs to be there, to be there. In His Holy Word. I will not sit by and let my silence be agreement to the absurdities af your "educated assumptions."

"Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things..." 2 Timothy 4:2-5

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, a until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1:19-21

She ate of the fruit of the tree. Would you suppose she hold a cornucopia of all fruit in her drawings? The apple is symbolic. Don't jump from A to Z when your facts only lead you to B or C. We don't have to know it all. And we won't until we stand in His glory. I will pray for you all as you seek HIS SPIRIT to reveal the truth in His Word. Please quit depending on your own intelligence. He will give you wisdom. Faith is believing without seeing.

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