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Klink

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#42 Jan 21, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
It's going to be much worse than it is right now and having a gun will not stop it. Read about the first four trumpets in Rev. 8 and you will see what I mean.

The trumpets already sounded. We will see increased tribulation tho until the end.

It looks like the immigration of Latins & Muslims goes with the gun control agenda as Fast & Furious arms the Mex cartel mercs earlier trained at the USA School of the Americas. This is who i believe will one day soon lead a civil war. After the Americans are disarmed &/or worked into a revolution frenzy in the street the Los Zeta mex mercs backed by washington can move north and drive the now disarmed Americans off their land into awaiting FEMA relocation centers.

Washington wants to 1) get rid of the middle class americans 2) ethnic cleanse the american christians 3) replace the citizenry with Latins & Muslims.

This is the tribulation i believe we will soon be likely facing. When this happens you will need heavy weaponry to protect your family. This is what weapons are for, not to attack our govt --- which would be impossible anyway.

Hope im wrong!

Until then just enjoy the freedoms we do have and not be part of any revolution that would end our peaceful way of life.
Happy CIA Killed MLK Day

Newton Center, MA

#43 Jan 21, 2013
thanks klink
go to GCNlive.com and listen to Joyce Riley's show of today Jan 21 Third Hour
She had Mike Powers on again with updated Sandy Hook info, covering all the bizarities and cover-ups of it.
/////

Stop twisting RR that's Not what anyone is saying, no one is saying that guns will get us through the New World Order/ end times events
It's too bad that so many supposed Christians cop out bigtime with the garbage that we shouldn't resist evil and the devil to make him flee from us but rather be defenseless and do as the tyrant's version of Romans 13 says (as the Nazis etc. Pushed) and do whatever the govt. and our 'rulers' say, don't have any weapons nor store up food etc. just hide under the covers sucking our thumbs waiting for Jesus to 'rapture' us outta here.
It's the cop out of cowards and it's UnBiblical.
Our spiritual battle involves physical Pain, physical realities we have to Deal With, and God would Not want us to be physically defenseless.
We must be King Davids and ask Him for help in physical battle as David did.

One of the things I ask Adventists is "Since we're to be like Christ and do as He did (forgiving, loving and humbling ourselves and even foot washing others etc.), when are we going to take up whips to the damn moneychangers?"
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#44 Jan 21, 2013
Happy CIA Killed MLK Day wrote:
thanks klink
go to GCNlive.com and listen to Joyce Riley's show of today Jan 21 Third Hour
She had Mike Powers on again with updated Sandy Hook info, covering all the bizarities and cover-ups of it.
/////
Stop twisting RR that's Not what anyone is saying, no one is saying that guns will get us through the New World Order/ end times events
It's too bad that so many supposed Christians cop out bigtime with the garbage that we shouldn't resist evil and the devil to make him flee from us but rather be defenseless and do as the tyrant's version of Romans 13 says (as the Nazis etc. Pushed) and do whatever the govt. and our 'rulers' say, don't have any weapons nor store up food etc. just hide under the covers sucking our thumbs waiting for Jesus to 'rapture' us outta here.
It's the cop out of cowards and it's UnBiblical.
Our spiritual battle involves physical Pain, physical realities we have to Deal With, and God would Not want us to be physically defenseless.
We must be King Davids and ask Him for help in physical battle as David did.
One of the things I ask Adventists is "Since we're to be like Christ and do as He did (forgiving, loving and humbling ourselves and even foot washing others etc.), when are we going to take up whips to the damn moneychangers?"
Good post. Don't get me wrong, I am all for guns my friend--I carried one for over 50 years!(saved several lives with it too!) Someone break in and I take it they want to commit suicide. U Betcha! Remember, I am retired cop and was in charge of the shooting range at one time! I had my own gun and bow range on my own ranch! I did the reloading for the department and for others too.

Look at this: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-adm...
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#45 Jan 21, 2013
Klink wrote:
<quoted text>
The trumpets already sounded. We will see increased tribulation tho until the end.
It looks like the immigration of Latins & Muslims goes with the gun control agenda as Fast & Furious arms the Mex cartel mercs earlier trained at the USA School of the Americas. This is who i believe will one day soon lead a civil war. After the Americans are disarmed &/or worked into a revolution frenzy in the street the Los Zeta mex mercs backed by washington can move north and drive the now disarmed Americans off their land into awaiting FEMA relocation centers.
Washington wants to 1) get rid of the middle class americans 2) ethnic cleanse the american christians 3) replace the citizenry with Latins & Muslims.
This is the tribulation i believe we will soon be likely facing. When this happens you will need heavy weaponry to protect your family. This is what weapons are for, not to attack our govt --- which would be impossible anyway.
Hope im wrong!
Until then just enjoy the freedoms we do have and not be part of any revolution that would end our peaceful way of life.
Really? Was I sleeping? Please read Rev. 8:7-13 and please SHOW me when these first four angels blew their trumpets! Come on! Do it!, When did a third of the earth burn up? How about a third of the sea turn to blood and a third of the sea creatures die? Huh? How about trumpet 3, when a third of all fresh water became poison? And the 4th Angel's trumpet sounded so a third of the heavens became dark? NEVER my friend! Never mind the 5th and 6th, as NONE of those trumpets have happened yet as NONE of the 144,000 have been sealed. They MUST become sealed by God prior to the start of the time of trouble!(Rev. 7:1-3)

Please answer this: Who did Jesus want to undestand FULLY the whole book of Revelation? Notice the words "Bond Servants" in Rev. 1:1? If not, get the correct version and you will find that it is only for the bondservants living in the LAST generation who will know and understand all of the end time events and prophesies. Also look at Dan. 12:10 where NONE of the wicked will ever understand. So, what would you rather be, one of the bondservants or one of the wicked?
Klink

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#46 Jan 22, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
Really? Was I sleeping? Please read Rev. 8:7-13 and please SHOW me when these first four angels blew their trumpets! Come on! Do it!, When did a third of the earth burn up? How about a third of the sea turn to blood and a third of the sea creatures die? Huh? How about trumpet 3, when a third of all fresh water became poison? And the 4th Angel's trumpet sounded so a third of the heavens became dark? NEVER my friend! Never mind the 5th and 6th, as NONE of those trumpets have happened yet as NONE of the 144,000 have been sealed. They MUST become sealed by God prior to the start of the time of trouble!(Rev. 7:1-3)
Please answer this: Who did Jesus want to undestand FULLY the whole book of Revelation? Notice the words "Bond Servants" in Rev. 1:1? If not, get the correct version and you will find that it is only for the bondservants living in the LAST generation who will know and understand all of the end time events and prophesies. Also look at Dan. 12:10 where NONE of the wicked will ever understand. So, what would you rather be, one of the bondservants or one of the wicked?

Futurism placed chapters 4 on of Rev in the future. Futurism is a new theology created by the Jesuits. Futurism treats prophecies as literal i.e. "rivers of blood" & "earth burn up". Historicism reads this prophecy as symbolism as the beast dragon and harlot are also symbolism so to are the rivers of blood, fulfilled in the past judgment upon Rome's empire by one-thirds.

some video series on this

http://www.youtube.com/playlist...

http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#47 Jan 22, 2013
Klink wrote:
<quoted text>
Futurism placed chapters 4 on of Rev in the future. Futurism is a new theology created by the Jesuits. Futurism treats prophecies as literal i.e. "rivers of blood" & "earth burn up". Historicism reads this prophecy as symbolism as the beast dragon and harlot are also symbolism so to are the rivers of blood, fulfilled in the past judgment upon Rome's empire by one-thirds.
some video series on this
http://www.youtube.com/playlist...
http://archive.org/details/RevelationIllustra...
A symbol MUST mean something my friend! If it didn't, then you could and can simply believe what every you wanted to believe--and this is NOT a joke from God--it is serious stuff, stuff that NO ONE will understand except the 144,000, those with insight as proven by what God said in Dan. 12:3 and 10 and verified in the first verse of Revelation. ONLY the bondservants will KNNOW the truth, the rest are the wicked. Sorry about that, it's just the way it is.

Here, this may help you as there are seven rules for understanding end time prophecy: spiritoftruthministry.net/STM and then go to the articles/stuff to read and search for the 7 rules.

It has nothing to do with "futurism' historism', it's all about real truth. AND NO, furtuism is NOT something that was created by the Jesuites--that is pure nonsense! It shows you are following the words of people who are blind--leading you astray as they have done a great job! EGW was one of those as was Paul and Luke.

Please repent and seek the real truth from ONLY the words of Jesus! It's the only way you will KNOW truth. It's not about me or you, it's all about the words of Jesus which are the words of the Father.

So NO, the time of trouble has not yet started, so buckle up, sit back and watch things start to crumble around you within the next 3 years!

Hint: NO ONE could know the truth regarding end time who are now dead! Why? Because it ONLY pertains to those alive when it happens! There is only ONE truth. It's singular and absolute!

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#48 Jan 25, 2013
[QUOTE}
djconklin wrote:
>Christ did not speak against armed body protection in fact Peter etc. were always armed with swords, read Luke 22 where the man who said he had no sword was told by Christ that he could sell one of his extra cloaks and Buy a sword (verse 36).
And yet in verse 38 the 12 disciples managed to come up with only TWO swords when the claim is that they "were ALWAYS armed with swords." And what was Jesus' response? "Go out and buy 10 more"? Nope, "And he said unto them, It is enough."

yeah but He preferred them having more, He was exasperated that they could only get two and time was wasting trying to get more[/QUOTE]Does not follow from the text.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#49 Jan 25, 2013
djconklin wrote:
<quoted text>Does not follow from the text.
John 18:36 Jesus answered "My kingdom is NOT of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdomm is not of this realm."

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#50 Jan 25, 2013
Thank you, RR!
Klink

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#51 Jan 26, 2013
Rockroller wrote:
John 18:36 Jesus answered "My kingdom is NOT of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdomm is not of this realm."

That would be twisting of scripture. Nobody is trying to establish kingdom on earth.

"When a strong man armed keeps his palace, his goods are in peace:" Luke 11:21

You are further to be protector of the house & family justified by God's law and state law that allows us to protect our own property and help reduce crime.

1 Tim 5:8 "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

In Luke 22:35-38 Jesus instructed the desciples to obtain a sword, not to fight the Roman soldiers rather the people as an angry mob might come along looking for Jesus:”And they said, Lord, look, here are two swords. And He said to them, It is enough.”

Did the Lord not guide you in this matter?

"But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." (Mt 24:43)

"but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder," (Mt 19:18)

Notice here Jesus says MURDER denoting the difference in murder and justified killing or capital punishment. The 10C law is all about justice. With justice comes punishment, hopefully.

Some would run to the old testament passage death penalty for breaking the Sabbath or adultery and other sin, but this system of law ended with the Temple priesthood in 70 AD. Today the capital punishment is allowed by state law and certainly at times of civil war. We can pray the lord keeps us from this all but at the same time should have the wisdome to prepare and not be led into Satan's liberal agenda. Such liberalism comes from Satan's world govt not the Bible or God's law.
Klink

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#52 Jan 26, 2013

Lucifer at Columbine

From Fort Bliss to Columbine

The Columbine Trench Coat Mafia had U.S. Intelligence ties. Psychologist Dwayne Fuselier was the head of the FBI Columbine investigation. Fuselier’s son, Scott, had been a member of the CHS Trench Coat Mafia with Harris and Klebold.

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/tag/dyla...

www.williamhkennedy.com/articles/satanism.htm...

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#53 Jan 26, 2013
>"When a strong man armed keeps his palace, his goods are in peace:" Luke 11:21

Metaphor.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

When a strong man armed,.... By the strong man, is meant the devil; See Gill on Matthew 12:29 and who may be said to be "armed", both with his own temptations, which are as fiery darts, and which are thrown by him thick and fast, suddenly and swiftly, privily, and with great art and cunning, and with great strength, and are very injurious; and also with the sins and lusts of men, which are armour of unrighteousness, and which Satan turns upon them, and makes use of against them, to their great detriment; and who

keepeth his palace: which is the corrupt heart of an unregenerate man, where he dwells as a king, has his throne, keeps his court, and has his courtiers, and attendants, the lusts of the flesh, and the desires of the will, and the carnal affections; and which, as filthy a palace as it is, is perfectly agreeable to his nature; and this is kept by a guard of devils, and worldly lusts, till its strong holds are demolished by the Gospel, and Christ the King of glory enters in; till such time,

his goods are in peace: there is no concern in such an heart about sin, no uneasiness on that account, no sense of danger, nor inquiry after salvation; no dread upon the mind at the curses of the law, nor fears of hell, and damnation; but such a man lives in entire security, crying Peace, Peace, to himself.

>You are further to be protector of the house & family justified by God's law and state law that allows us to protect our own property and help reduce crime.

No Bible. On another forum a guy tried to claim that the text could be found in Ezekial. he never could produce the text.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#54 Jan 26, 2013
>Did the Lord not guide you in this matter?

Yes, He has. That's why I can detect lies.

>"But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." (Mt 24:43)

Another metaphor.

Gill's Exposition:

"... The coming of the son of man, is here represented by the coming of the thief in the night: but when he is compared to a thief, this is not to be understood in a bad sense, in which Satan is called one, who comes to kill and to destroy the souls of men; and likewise heretics and false teachers, and everyone that climbs up, and gets into the church of God in a wrong way; but this only respects the manner of Christ's coming, which is like that of a thief, secretly, suddenly, and at unawares. The "good man of the house", or householder, is every Christian, or believer in Christ, who has a house to look after, his own soul, the spiritual affairs and everlasting salvation of it, things of moment and concern unto him: and as the Christians, before the destruction of Jerusalem, had notices of Christ's coming in that way, by our Lord's predictions, by the hints the apostles gave, to refresh their memories with them, and by the signs of the times and voices that were heard; so the saints have of Christ's coming to judgment: wherefore as it became the one, so it does the other, to watch, to be upon their guard, to be in a readiness, to have their loins girt about, and their lights burning, and they like men that wait for their Lord; that so when he comes, their houses may not be broken up, may not be surprised, and the several powers and faculties of their souls may not be thrown into disorder and confusion; ..."
Klink

Phnom Penh, Cambodia

#55 Jan 26, 2013

-metaphore, yes based on real world everyone can relate to then and now.

We should carry guns in the churches too, or at least have someone in charge of church security as gun free zones are ripe for victimization. You can be assured that if you have not heard anything in church about this that others are carrying firearms since it's not openly known how security is maintained.

Guns are not the cause of violence in the US, multiculturism is. The sanctuary cities Chicago and Oakland are out of control with murder and violence not found in the more homogeneous English UK and Aus countries or even other parts of the US with less multiculturism.

Failing to protect your house makes you at least partially responsible for the criminals actions. If you are armed the crime is then prevented. Not armed? terrible crimes are committed, and the criminal continues along to victimize others. You are responsible for allowing the criminal to roam free or justice. As if the police should just lay down their arms too?

During times of terrible civil war this would be protecting the city and nation (God's people). This does not mean to join the military and support offensive wars in support of world government in other nations. And we are certainly not to attack our own govt even if Satan himself was in the white house. The Gov are very anti christian so warning others with the pen in a non violent way within the law is a reasonable thing to do. The holy roman empire fell with the non violent Reformation as Rome simply lost spiritual support of the people and nations.

Hitler can wave Romans 13 around all he likes. Not much different than today really. But we are not to attack an evil govt, only not help their evil plans by joining with evil then violating the will of God to do no harm.

Not all govt is bad. They are law of the land as Ro 13 says and have delegated their authority to the people to protect your own persons & property.

The Second Amendment allows an armed citizenry. Maybe you dont like other parts of the Constitution too? State constitutions have similar law. Before this the Protestant Puritan Pilgrims were armed as any moral person would be. You can find famous paintings of them going to church with a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the other.

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Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#56 Jan 26, 2013
>-metaphore, yes based on real world everyone can relate to then and now.

That's how a metaphor works.

>Before this the Protestant Puritan Pilgrims were armed as any moral person would be. You can find famous paintings of them going to church with a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the other.

They didn't have rifles back then. Secondly, that is not the Bible.
George Bush Jnr

Brampton, Canada

#57 Jan 26, 2013
Klink wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be twisting of scripture. Nobody is trying to establish kingdom on earth.
"When a strong man armed keeps his palace, his goods are in peace:" Luke 11:21
You are further to be protector of the house & family justified by God's law and state law that allows us to protect our own property and help reduce crime.
1 Tim 5:8 "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."
In Luke 22:35-38 Jesus instructed the desciples to obtain a sword, not to fight the Roman soldiers rather the people as an angry mob might come along looking for Jesus:”And they said, Lord, look, here are two swords. And He said to them, It is enough.”
Did the Lord not guide you in this matter?
"But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up." (Mt 24:43)
"but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder," (Mt 19:18)
Notice here Jesus says MURDER denoting the difference in murder and justified killing or capital punishment. The 10C law is all about justice. With justice comes punishment, hopefully.
Some would run to the old testament passage death penalty for breaking the Sabbath or adultery and other sin, but this system of law ended with the Temple priesthood in 70 AD. Today the capital punishment is allowed by state law and certainly at times of civil war. We can pray the lord keeps us from this all but at the same time should have the wisdome to prepare and not be led into Satan's liberal agenda. Such liberalism comes from Satan's world govt not the Bible or God's law.
INCORRECT!

When Christians play violent video games and pay to see violent movies and love the violence in music, they open themselves to a violent culture. They see the necessity for guns, and justifiably so. They are a people who, having drifted from God in the hearts, have drifted away from his protection. To them, every man is a potential enemy. They live in fear. They gather guns to themselves. In the day that God withdraws his Sipirit, they die, their blood running freely beside them down the street of their guns.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#58 Jan 26, 2013
>Failing to protect your house makes you at least partially responsible for the criminals actions.

No such law.
Robert Two

Australia

#59 Jan 30, 2013
djconklin wrote:
>Failing to protect your house makes you at least partially responsible for the criminals actions.
No such law.
If you leave the keys in the ignition you have not protected your property. You are causing theift to take place.
]You could be AIDING AND ABETTING ?
Being an accessory after the fact ?

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