1290 and 1335 days of Daniel 12 puzzles me!

Judged:

Clyde wrote:

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you incredible jurk am not an alf whatever get real you cannot answer a question and pose as a mouthy know it all. so there

Flash is right about you!

Have you yet attacked the Adventist Layman Foundation people on here? NO! Why not? Because you are affiliated with them and if you do attack them then you are aiding unrighteousness if you attack these people who believe what they share is truth. Hmmm why do you not attack them! OH and what have you shared on here that is from Gods Word? Nothing but verbal vomit!

CINDERS

messenger4truth wrote:

Cinders,
Clyde only contributes to us what he is.
A lurker, mouthy jurk.

Yes I agree.

Clyde

United States

CINDERS wrote:

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Flash is right about you!
Have you yet attacked the Adventist Layman Foundation people on here? NO! Why not? Because you are affiliated with them and if you do attack them then you are aiding unrighteousness if you attack these people who believe what they share is truth. Hmmm why do you not attack them! OH and what have you shared on here that is from Gods Word? Nothing but verbal vomit!

jurks all hyppocrits who say they love jesus

CINDERS

Clyde wrote:

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jurks all hyppocrits who say they love jesus

Do the ALF people love Jesus? Do they have the truth? And do YOU love Jesus!

Do you?

Clyde

United States

CINDERS wrote:

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Do the ALF people love Jesus? Do they have the truth? And do YOU love Jesus!
Do you?

you ask alf for yourself

CINDERS

Clyde wrote:

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you ask alf for yourself

So you cannot attack them! Why is that? You cannot aid unrighteousness now can you Clyde.

Well Clyde Thank you for your help on here for you have been the biggest help ever in helping me with a decision I have been pondering on for sooo long! I really cannot thank you enough for your help! Keep up the great work and you may also be able to help others as you have helped me make my final decision.

Earthcaller

Just as I suspected, this post came to a dead standstill. No more talk on such an important subject.

Paul from California

Judged:

Earthcaller wrote:

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The problem with that interpretation is that Revelation 12, 13 and don't even hint of or mention a 7 year tribulation. Yeshua himself stated that those days will be shortened for the sake of the elect.If there is to be a further extension of the 1260 then if there is another future abomination with regard to a miracle working agency in a rebuilt temple then from its commencement there are 1290 days and a further extension that may perhaps allude to the coming of the Lord but this in no way states that there is a 7 year period. There was actually one application of this prophecy which began in 554AD and culminated in 1889 as the first year of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit by way of Jones and Waggoner in their preaching of the 1888 message. If there is to be another extension it won't be a 7 year tribulation it is probably a short period of time after the second woe in which we are told lasts for 3 1/2 years.
1290 days is a 30 day extension of 1260
1335 days is a 75 day extension from 1260.
There is no evidence of a multiplication of 1260 X 2 in order to arrive at a 7 year tribulation.

ec, you stated:

The problem with that interpretation is that Revelation 12, 13 and don't even hint of or mention a 7 year tribulation.

my reply; you do not know what your talking about;

The Woman Persecuted Rev 12-14

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

time and times and half a time is 3 1/2 yrs..........ec

this represents half the 7 yr period.......ec

The first half of the Trib period, the AntiChrist will confirm a
seven year pact with Israel........ Dan 9-27

But the AntiChrist breaks the pact @ 3 1/2 yrs

in the middle, Israel will run for her life
which is time and times and half a time Rev 12-14

Earthcaller

Judged:

Paul from California wrote:

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The first half of the Trib period, the AntiChrist will confirm a
seven year pact with Israel........ Dan 9-27
But the AntiChrist breaks the pact @ 3 1/2 yrs
in the middle, Israel will run for her life
which is time and times and half a time Rev 12-14

earthcaller

That is falsehood. The 70weeks prophecy deals with Jesus whom upon baptism in 27AD confirmed the covenant for 3 1/2 years with Israel. After his death in 31AD 3 1/2 years later the covenant was broken by Israel, so in 34AD Steven was stoned to death and a great persecution broke out in Jerusalem and the gospel began being preached in Samaria. The times of gentiles then began and the gospel message would no longer be exclusive for Israel. The dispensational view which you teach believes in a gap theory. They teach that after the 69th week the clock stopped ticking for Israel. The problem with that false theory is the fact that the 69th week or 483rd year was 27AD the year of Yeshua's baptism. So since if you believe that the 7 year period from 27AD to 34AD was launched to the future and a gap was left behind how then did Jesus fulfill the final prophetic week of his ministry which began in 27AD and ended in 34AD?

Conclusion

There is no gap and no missing 7 year period. Jesus completed the totality of the 70 weeks which began in 457BC and ended in 34AD. Even the non-SDA theologian Wilson Gleason taught the 70 weeks like the SDAs. He dated the start of the prophecy from 457 BC.

yong moon

AOL

Judged:

What is this thread about? Are you childish to fight like childrens or cannot you answer question..puzzles me too. I think you in corner..no miss white to helps?

Paul from California

Judged:

yong moon wrote:

What is this thread about? Are you childish to fight like childrens or cannot you answer question..puzzles me too. I think you in corner..no miss white to helps?

yong, welcome..hopefully this will help you.

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the tribulation. This passage speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against “your people.” Daniel's people are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and Daniel 9:24 speaks of a period of time that God has given “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” God declares that “seventy sevens” will fulfill all these things. This is 70 sevens of years, or 490 years.(Some translations refer to 70 weeks of years.) This is confirmed by another part of this passage in Daniel. In verses 25 and 26, Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens”(69 total), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology (future things/events), have the above understanding of Daniel's 70 sevens.

With 483 years having passed from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the cutting off of the Messiah, this leaves one seven-year period to be fulfilled in terms of Daniel 9:24:“to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” This final seven-year period is known as the tribulation period—it is a time when God finishes judging Israel for its sin.

The prophecy seems to speak of the Beast's world supremacy for three and half years Dan 7-25 Rev 11-2, 13-5 or 1260 days from his breaking a pact with Israel Dan 9-27 8-11 11-31
However, verse 11 speaks of 1,290 days ( 30 days extra) and verse 12 promises a blessing to them who come to 1,335 days ( 75 extra days)

Perhaps these extra days are required for our Lord's judgements
and the establishment of His Kingdom, the beginning of which is marked by the anointing of the Most High Dan 9-24
They who survive unto this event will be members of His Kingdom
Mt 25-34

Earthcaller

yong moon wrote:

What is this thread about? Are you childish to fight like childrens or cannot you answer question..puzzles me too. I think you in corner..no miss white to helps?

The questions which Gabba Moss presented were answerd i posts #27 and #28

Earthcaller

Judged:

POC quote:

Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens”(69 total), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified.

Conclusion

Since that is the case how do you account for the death of Christ? 483 years mark up to the time of his baptism not his death. From 27AD= year of baptism to the year 31AD=date of crucifixion was exactly 3 1/2 years. From 31AD to 34AD was also another 3 1/2 years and the book of Acts tells us that upon rejection of Christ, 3 1/2 years later the nation of Israel was spewed out and the gospel began to be preached to the Samaritans and the gentiles.

Acts 8

And Saul was consenting to his death.

And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the region of Judea and Sama'ria, except the apostles.

yong moon

AOL

Judged:

I thank Paul. It makes sense to take dayas as days and stick with it. No day for year in Book. When will be date to begin counting break with Israel mean?. mean? Thank you.

Paul from California

Earthcaller wrote:

POC quote:
Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens”(69 total), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified.
Conclusion
Since that is the case how do you account for the death of Christ? 483 years mark up to the time of his baptism not his death. From 27AD= year of baptism to the year 31AD=date of crucifixion was exactly 3 1/2 years. From 31AD to 34AD was also another 3 1/2 years and the book of Acts tells us that upon rejection of Christ, 3 1/2 years later the nation of Israel was spewed out and the gospel began to be preached to the Samaritans and the gentiles.
Acts 8
And Saul was consenting to his death.
And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were all scattered throughout the region of Judea and Sama'ria, except the apostles.

ec, this is where you went south.....you stated;

Since that is the case how do you account for the death of Christ? 483 years mark up to the time of his baptism not his death.

my reply;

The Mediator’s Death Necessary

16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. Heb 9-15

Paul from California