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Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#21 Feb 21, 2013
Dennis Fischer wrote:
Indeed, Exodus 31 clearly informs us that the weekly, festal Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel under the Mosaic or Old Covenant. Nowhere in Scripture is Sabbath observance mandated for Gentiles or non-Jews. The Gentiles, in Old Testament times, were NOT required to observe the Jewish Sabbath when converting to the God of Israel. Instead, the weekly Sabbath was one of seven festal convocations mandated exclusively for the "sons of Israel" (Lev. 23:1-3). The Sabbath is very distinctly Jewish (an exclusive sign of the Mosaic Covenant).
Moreover, without the Levitical system being fully in place, one cannot properly observe the Mosaic Sabbath. To accurately and biblically observe the Sabbath, there must be a Temple for 12 loaves of freshly-baked showbread to be displayed weekly, extra sacrificing by a Jewish priest on Sabbath mornings, and male circumcision. These absolute requirements certainly delete Seventh-day Adventists as authentic Sabbath observers.
A former SDA minister,
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
Cool, a former SDA who is confused about the Sabbath.

Please show me the scripture that says the Sabbath was a sign of the old covenant/Mt. Sinai covenant. You say Mosaic Covenant, but that name is not biblical.

Exd 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.

This says nothing about being a sign of the covenant. It says it is a sign that they may know that YHVH is the one that sanctifies them.

The Sabbath is a sign that reveals God and reveals God's people.

Before we go on, I am not a SDA, was never a SDA, and will never become a SDA.

To say that gentiles that were circumcised and came under the old covenant were not required to keep the Sabbath is a gross misunderstanding of scripure.

Isa 56:6 ¶ Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

As far as you saying the Sabbath was only for the Jews, maybe you should take that up with Jesus. He said the Sabbath was made for mankind.

Dennis, it's obvious that you were probably born into the SDA cult, and since they don't understand the truth about God's laws and covenants, that you are now confused.

You say to accurately keep the Sabbath one must do all the ritualistic requirements, but that's only if one is trying to keep the Sabbath according to the old covenant.

Jesus said the rest day was made for mankind. The Sabbath was made for mankind. I don't keep it because of the old covenant or the Mosaic covenant as you call it. I keep it because Jesus made it for me. He made it for you too, for you are a member of mankind.

Why shouldn't we rest on the day that Jesus made for us?

You are one confused former SDA minister.
SamBee

Windermere, FL

#22 Feb 21, 2013
Dennis Fischer wrote:


The Gentiles, in Old Testament times, were NOT required to observe the Jewish Sabbath when converting to the God of Israel. Instead, the weekly Sabbath was one of seven festal convocations mandated exclusively for the "sons of Israel" (Lev. 23:1-3). The Sabbath is very distinctly Jewish (an exclusive sign of the Mosaic Covenant).

A former SDA minister,
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
Numbers 9

1 In the first month of the second year after their departure from the land of Egypt, Yahuah told Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai:

2 “The Israelites are to observe the Passover at its appointed time. 3 You must observe it at its appointed time on the fourteenth day of this month at twilight; you are to observe it according to all its statutes and ordinances.”

4 So Moses told the Israelites to observe the Passover, 5 and they observed it in the first month on the fourteenth day at twilight in the Wilderness of Sinai. The Israelites did everything as Yahuah had commanded Moses.

14 “If a foreigner resides with you and wants to observe the Passover to Yahuah, he is to do so according to the Passover statute and its ordinances. You are to apply the same statute to both the foreign resident and the native of the land.”

Exodus 20

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of Yahuah thy Mighty One: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Isaiah 56

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to Yahuah, speak, saying, Yahuah hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to Yahuah, to serve him, and to love the name of Yahuah, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

8 Yahuah thy Mighty One, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

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#23 Feb 21, 2013
Brainwashing comes secular television and the wake up comes from bible truths. X the secular television.

“Jesus is coming again!”

Since: Oct 07

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#24 Feb 21, 2013
2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV)
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

bibleuniverse
Robert Two

Port Pirie, Australia

#25 Feb 21, 2013
I was a third generation SDA.
What put me off was the lack of understanding in the maTERIAL BY egw.tHE employees HAD RIGHTS WHICH god NEVER GAVE THEM.
The SDA CHURCH was only the THREE ANGELS MESSAGES and there are 4 angels. IJ is OKAY. Few understand it.
History has repeated itself and the BIBLE stand today as it did with JESUS.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#26 Feb 21, 2013
Kevin McMillen wrote:
Anyone willing to tell us why they originally joined the SDA church?
I would bet the main reason was the Sabbath truth.
Then you were brain washed to accept Ellen White as a "Prophetess" and the SDA church as the "remnant" church, along with a multitude of other SDA false teachings, IJ, desolate earth, Adam wearing a robe of light, vegetarianism, sanctuary worship, etc.
Which came first in your mind? The Sabbath or all the rest of the garbage?
I wonder how many learned the truth about the rest of the garbage and threw the Sabbath truth out as well?
So much for cults and their "bringing people into their fold" rather than bringing them to Christ.
If that is what happened to you then all you did was to prove that you weren't able to think for yourself.

I was already a Sabbath keeper before I ever attended my first SDA service. What drew me was the fact that they were willing to actually discuss the Bible. Ellen White has yet to be pushed onto me, or anyone else for that matter.

Vegetariasm is not a false or true teaching. It is a health lifestyle and nothing more or less. Nobody has said that I had to eat that way, nor have they tried to make me not eat the "unclean meats".

The hate you harbore is way too extreme and because of it you will have trouble getting into heaven. Forgive and move on or face the judgement of God.

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#27 Feb 22, 2013
Dennis Fischer wrote:
Indeed, Exodus 31 clearly informs us that the weekly, festal Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel under the Mosaic or Old Covenant. Nowhere in Scripture is Sabbath observance mandated for Gentiles or non-Jews. The Gentiles, in Old Testament times, were NOT required to observe the Jewish Sabbath when converting to the God of Israel. Instead, the weekly Sabbath was one of seven festal convocations mandated exclusively for the "sons of Israel" (Lev. 23:1-3). The Sabbath is very distinctly Jewish (an exclusive sign of the Mosaic Covenant).
Moreover, without the Levitical system being fully in place, one cannot properly observe the Mosaic Sabbath. To accurately and biblically observe the Sabbath, there must be a Temple for 12 loaves of freshly-baked showbread to be displayed weekly, extra sacrificing by a Jewish priest on Sabbath mornings, and male circumcision. These absolute requirements certainly delete Seventh-day Adventists as authentic Sabbath observers.
A former SDA minister,
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
Absolute truth, Dennis!
yoyo

San Diego, CA

#28 Feb 22, 2013
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

To any deceived sabbath trashers out there...how come Paul, Luke and company didn't dissuade/scream at the gentiles NOT to come back on sabbath but come any other day so they wouldn't get the reputation as sabbath pushers/promoters?

Modern churchianity decalogue /4th commandment/ sabbath trashers are criminal agents of SATAN.
BoWing

Oshawa, Canada

#29 Feb 22, 2013
yoyo wrote:
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
To any deceived sabbath trashers out there...how come Paul, Luke and company didn't dissuade/scream at the gentiles NOT to come back on sabbath but come any other day so they wouldn't get the reputation as sabbath pushers/promoters?
Modern churchianity decalogue /4th commandment/ sabbath trashers are criminal agents of SATAN.
Not necessarily criminal, but DECEIVED. Then they spout that SDAs are the ones being DECEIVED.

Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches:

Rev 2
8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write...
9...and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Rev 2
12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write...
13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is...

Rev 3
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write...
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

These aren't harsh words,but the reality of the spiritual warfare for the hearts and minds of GOD's people.

But, fear not brethren (all Protestant faiths), THE SHEPPARD, JESUS CHRIST, walks among the golden lampstands-churches to admonish and correct - with a rod of iron.

Rev 2
1 ...‘These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who WALKS IN THE MIDST of the seven golden lampstands

Rev 1:20 ...the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

Rev 2
...26 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; 28 and I will give him the morning star.
29 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

Rev 19
15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword [GOD'S WORD], that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron [CORRECTION]. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

CHRIST and HIS ARMY alone can and will bring them back to the fold:

John 10:27
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Rev 19
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.

This is the last horse and rider event [See Rev 6 for the other h/r events] that will take place prior to the seven plagues and Jesus Second Advent.

My prayer?

Luke 10:2
Then He said to them,“The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest.
Lay Worker

Myrtleford, Australia

#30 Feb 22, 2013
BoWing wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily criminal, but DECEIVED. Then they spout that SDAs are the ones being DECEIVED.
Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches:
8 .
Why leave off the SDA church?

How come?
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#31 Feb 22, 2013
Dennis Fischer wrote:
Indeed, Exodus 31 clearly informs us that the weekly, festal Sabbath was a sign between God and Israel under the Mosaic or Old Covenant. Nowhere in Scripture is Sabbath observance mandated for Gentiles or non-Jews. The Gentiles, in Old Testament times, were NOT required to observe the Jewish Sabbath when converting to the God of Israel. Instead, the weekly Sabbath was one of seven festal convocations mandated exclusively for the "sons of Israel" (Lev. 23:1-3). The Sabbath is very distinctly Jewish (an exclusive sign of the Mosaic Covenant).
Moreover, without the Levitical system being fully in place, one cannot properly observe the Mosaic Sabbath. To accurately and biblically observe the Sabbath, there must be a Temple for 12 loaves of freshly-baked showbread to be displayed weekly, extra sacrificing by a Jewish priest on Sabbath mornings, and male circumcision. These absolute requirements certainly delete Seventh-day Adventists as authentic Sabbath observers.
A former SDA minister,
Dennis J. Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com
A phony and Liar here.
birdman

Mattoon, IL

#32 Feb 22, 2013
Quote from BoWing

"Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches"

Correct, including all Protestant Churches and the SDA Denomination.
BoWing

Oshawa, Canada

#33 Feb 22, 2013
When does the beginning of this last horse and rider event take place?

Rev 17
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.[HIS ARMY]”
Lay Worker

Myrtleford, Australia

#34 Feb 22, 2013
birdman wrote:
Quote from BoWing
"Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches"
Correct, including all Protestant Churches and the SDA Denomination.
And not to forget that weekly SS teacher in Chickenmanure
BoWing

Oshawa, Canada

#35 Feb 22, 2013
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Why leave off the SDA church?
How come?
LW, did the SDA Church originally form from Protestant Churches?

So no, they have not been left out. They are one of the seven and you may strongly disagree with me along with the entire organization on this statement, BUT, the SDA Church is NOT represented by the Laodicean church.

However, many in the SDA church many will be sifted like wheat from the chaff.

The first and second parables in Matthew 25 prophecy of this and the third parable is the end result along with the parable in Mark 4:

30 Then He said,“To what shall we liken the kingdom of God? Or with what parable shall we picture it? 31 It is like a mustard seed which, when it is sown on the ground, is smaller than all the seeds on earth; 32 but when it is sown, it grows up and becomes greater than all herbs, and shoots out large branches, so that the birds of the air may nest under its shade.”

There is a final work to do for THE SDA, HIS ARMY:

WISE VIRGINS

Rev 19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in FINE LINEN, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me,“Write:‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” And he said to me,“These are the true sayings of God.”...
14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in FINE LINEN, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

FINE LINEN, WHITE and CLEAN:

Rev 3
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true,“He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: 8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.

13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’

HIS ARMY
Rev 7
3 saying,“Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

Rev 14
, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

When a woman is married to a man, who's name does she take? The Husband/His FATHER'S.

LW, so many end time parables Christians take at face value, but do not realize there are deep mysteries yet to be revealed:

10 And the disciples came and said to Him,“Why do You speak to them in parables?”

11 He answered and said to them,“Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Lay Worker

Myrtleford, Australia

#36 Feb 22, 2013
BoWing wrote:
<quoted text>
LW, did the SDA Church originally form from Protestant Churches?

So no, they have not been left out. They are one of the seven and you may strongly disagree with me along with the entire organization on this statement, BUT, the SDA Church is NOT represented by the Laodicean church.

.
Actually this is another novel idea from Bozo which is unhelpful and laden with the OSAS theology and for a number of reasons. Doesnt fit with the internal evidence of Rev 12:17 nor with Matt 25 let alone Rev 3.

________ I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted.

__________ We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out.[***]

__________"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst.--1NL 99 (1898).

__________ The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state.
Pioneer

United States

#37 Feb 22, 2013
birdman wrote:
Quote from BoWing
"Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches"
Correct, including all Protestant Churches and the SDA Denomination.
It is so funny how you can see the others and churches but the SDA according to you is infiltrated only by Satan into the organization which you do not consider the church .

HOW FUNNY and HYPOCRITICAL IS That.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#39 Feb 26, 2013
OzarkWoman wrote:
<quoted text>
If that is what happened to you then all you did was to prove that you weren't able to think for yourself.
I was already a Sabbath keeper before I ever attended my first SDA service. What drew me was the fact that they were willing to actually discuss the Bible. Ellen White has yet to be pushed onto me, or anyone else for that matter.
Vegetariasm is not a false or true teaching. It is a health lifestyle and nothing more or less. Nobody has said that I had to eat that way, nor have they tried to make me not eat the "unclean meats".
The hate you harbore is way too extreme and because of it you will have trouble getting into heaven. Forgive and move on or face the judgement of God.
Wow, hit a nerve. Where did I ever mention vegetarianism?

I assume you weren't ever baptised into the SDA church, because if you were you would have been asked do you accept the 28 fundamental beliefs, one of which is that Ellen White writings are the SOP. Also you'd have to agree that the IJ was a correct doctrine

Also, if you were baptised you would have vowed not to eat unclean meat, to refrain from caffeine, alchohol etc.

So, I assume that since they don't push any of this on you that aren't really a SDA member, just a guest.

If you are a baptised member yet forget the fundamental beliefs and the vows that you agreed to, that's your problem not mine.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#40 Feb 26, 2013
BoWing wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily criminal, but DECEIVED. Then they spout that SDAs are the ones being DECEIVED.
Satan has infiltrated the Protestant Churches:
Rev 2
8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write...
9...and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2
12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write...
13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is...
Rev 3
7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write...
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
These aren't harsh words,but the reality of the spiritual warfare .
BoWing, don't forget Thyatira:

Rev 2:18 ¶ And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

If that doesn't describe the SDA church I don't know what does.
Kevin McMillen

Morgantown, WV

#41 Feb 26, 2013
BoWing wrote:
<quoted text>
LW, did the SDA Church originally form from Protestant Churches?
So no, they have not been left out. They are one of the seven and you may strongly disagree with me along with the entire organization on this statement, BUT, the SDA Church is NOT represented by the Laodicean church.
.
Correct, the SDA church is represented by Thyatira:

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,

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