olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5694 Mar 2, 2013
djconklin wrote:
Bingo! They made the claim and couldn't back it up. Just like your claim with no supporting evidence.
No, the hypothesis is the claim, in this case the "god hypothesis".

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”– Christopher Hitchens

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5695 Mar 2, 2013
>No, the hypothesis is the claim, in this case the "god hypothesis".

I didn't make that claim. I';m asking about the claim: "God is hypothesis, a failed one." I ask yet AGAIN, kapeesh? Where's the proof that has failed?

Easier course for you to take is to just admit that was made up ad hoc and has no value or worth.

>“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”– Christopher Hitchens

That in and of itself assumes facts that aren't in evidence. In fact, I've already undercut it in post #5689. Can you follow the flow?
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5696 Mar 2, 2013
djconklin wrote:
>
I didn't make that claim.
Doesn't matter if you made it or not. The "god hypothesis" is used every day by believers all over the world, and is one without merit. It's fine to dismiss it without having to prove anything.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5697 Mar 2, 2013
We're one a forum, you only discuss the claims that are made on the forum. if a participant of the forum makes a claim, then they have the burden of proof. The claim that the "god hypothesis" failed has not been proven. If one wishes to to "dismiss it, that is another matter entirely--just admit that the claim was a lie and that one needs to play like a politico and explain what was meant, when it is quite obvious to everyone.
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5698 Mar 2, 2013
djconklin wrote:
We're one a forum, you only discuss the claims that are made on the forum. if a participant of the forum makes a claim, then they have the burden of proof.
He commented on a well-known claim. Move on.
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5699 Mar 2, 2013
djconklin wrote:
djconklin wrote:
Have you ever heard of hyperbole? Here's a simple case:
Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Klink: Are you saying the faith at Rome hasnt been known to all the world?

Correct; for starters the New World hadn't even bee discovered by then. Secondly, while the people of Londonium knew of Rome, the odds are not good that they knew about the faith of the Christians. Even more so with the people in India and China.
Paul was using hypebole--it was not mean to be taken literally.

Paul here was not using hype rather quoting Jesus: "the gospel will go to the whole world and then the end will come." he knew the mission he was tasked with had only began. There is no hyperbole anywhere in the Bible. This is only a liberal argument. Count yourself among the scoffers.

2 Pet

2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
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The Bible does not agree with your POV and neither does the science. The global geological & fossil record are a result of the global flood.
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5700 Mar 2, 2013

The Geologic Column
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/433100197...


Textbooks, science journals, encyclopedias and the controlled media often claim millions and billions of years as though it were fact, not just a theory or pagan belief. They often cite the fossil record as proof.

The fossil record could only happen with a global flood, around 4500 years ago

Due to decay and scavengers, the only way to get a fossil is with rapid flood or volcanic sedimentary deposition that has captured every minute detail of even the most delicate creatures. These fossils are found globally at geolayers claimed to all be the same age (cambrian, ect). The only way to arrive at our fossil record is a global flood.
www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html


Fossils are observed forming in months. Were fossils millions of years old as claimed they would have eroded away.
www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/200...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polystrate_fossi...
www.creation.com/eroding-ages


Hydroplate Theory: The global flood explained
with Dr. Walt Brown
www.youtube.com/watch...
(illustrated)
www.pseudepigrapha.com/HydroPlateTheory/index...

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5701 Mar 2, 2013
olasonn wrote:
<quoted text>
He commented on a well-known claim. Move on.
And he lied.
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5702 Mar 2, 2013
Klink wrote:
The fossil record could only happen with a global flood, around 4500 years ago
Nonsense. Which is why no reputable scientists believe that happened at all.

If it had any merit it would be published and win a Nobel prize instead of fooling the gullible masses by dubious websites and overpriced books and dvd's.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5703 Mar 2, 2013
>Paul here was not using hype rather quoting Jesus: "the gospel will go to the whole world and then the end will come." he knew the mission he was tasked with had only began. There is no hyperbole anywhere in the Bible. This is only a liberal argument. Count yourself among the scoffers.

Are you really that stupid? Not hype, hyperbole--too different things.

"Hyperbole, one of over 200 different types of figures of speech found in the Bible, is exaggeration for effect. If these figures of speech are taken literally, one will misinterpret what the scriptures say. Word-for-word literal translations are FULL of phrases and sentences which have NOT been faithfully translated. Even though they may have translated each WORD faithfully and correctly, they have not conveyed the true meaning behind the phrase or sentence.

For example, this verse is a hyperbole, an exaggeration for effect:

“You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.”(Matt. 23:24, NIV)" by Gary Armirault @ http://www.tentmaker.org/Biblematters/hyperbo...

"G. B. Caird, in The Language and Imagery of the Bible [110ff], notes the frequent use of hyperbole among Semitic peoples, and notes that "its frequent use arises out of a habitual cast of mind" which tends to view matters in extremes, or as we would say, "black and white." from http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hyperbole.html

"... even though the Bible is God’s inspired message, it contains figures of speech that commonly occur in secular writings. E.W. Bullinger wrote more than a thousand pages of material describing these figures of speech in his excellent volume Figures of Speech Used in the Bible (1968). In order to properly understand the Bible, a basic knowledge of commonly used figures of speech is important. Furthermore, such knowledge is often helpful in refuting erroneous claims, made by skeptics, that the Bible contains errors or discrepancies.

A common figure of speech used in the Bible is that of hyperbole. Bullinger defines hyperbole as:“when more is said than is literally meant”(1968, p. 423)...." @ http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...

The recognition that the Bible uses hyperbole and other forms of figures of speech is MAINSTREAM!

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5704 Mar 2, 2013
>Fossils are observed forming in months. Were fossils millions of years old as claimed they would have eroded away.

I've made the same point.

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#5705 Mar 2, 2013
>The Bible does not agree with your POV and neither does the science. The global geological & fossil record are a result of the global flood.

I note the lack of proof for both claims--you are as stupid as the critics of the Bible. What does the Bible say about those who lie?

(KJV) Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5706 Mar 2, 2013
djconklin wrote:
For example, this verse is a hyperbole, an exaggeration for effect:
“All of you blind guides, which strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.”(Matt. 23:24, KJV)"


The recognition that the Bible uses hyperbole and other forms of figures of speech is MAINSTREAM!

The Bible uses parables, symbolism - for prophecy - and literal speech. The mainstream of non-SDA are lost in Scofield's gap theory. The flood is neither parable nor symbolic. It was global as the Bible reads and science proves. Mainstream SDA agrees. You are off in fruitloop land. Another victim of the state. You will not be convincing me or anyone of the mainstream Bible believing creation scientists at creation.com Go see what they say about the absurd notion of a local flood?
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5707 Mar 2, 2013
olasonn wrote:
Nonsense. Which is why no reputable scientists believe that happened at all.
If it had any merit it would be published and win a Nobel prize instead of fooling the gullible masses by dubious websites and overpriced books and dvd's.

No the facts about the global flood would not be published in the censored rubbish 'science' journals. They are still claiming the little river formed the Grand Canyon!

The fossil record is disproved to be bazzillions of years by published erosion rates.

Fossils of some animals trees and neanderthal have been found to be partially fossilized, with blood, bone and tree remaining, not possible for dates of millions of years. The fiction of millions of years has been disproven all over the internet. It only remains in the censored classroom and controlled media.
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5708 Mar 2, 2013
Klink wrote:
<quoted text>
No the facts about the global flood would not be published in the censored rubbish 'science' journals.
If the science was done and it was correct it would.
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5709 Mar 2, 2013

At least one flood model did get published by numerous science journals, only to then be ignored.

Colorado State University flood modeling - Experiments on Stratification* by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault. Published by Geological Society of France, French Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal, and others.
http://bsgf.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/a...
(reprint)
http://creation.com/experiments-on-stratifica...
(video)
http://archive.org/details/EvolutionFactOrBel...


The same is true of the published work of Dr Gentry proving earth's granites are not an igneous, implying earth did not form over millions of years as a result of any 'big bang'. This too was ignored, never disproven.
(reprint)
www.halos.com/reports/science-1974-perspectiv...
www.youtube.com/watch...
Klink

Kazakhstan

#5710 Mar 2, 2013

Since: Jan 08

San Mateo, CA

#5711 Mar 2, 2013
olasonn wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the hypothesis is the claim, in this case the "god hypothesis".
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”– Christopher Hitchens
Exactly, they say god created everything but give no evidence to support that claim, they miss the fact that with their line of thinking someone must have created the designer and into infinite regress.

If they have a creation theory, it is up to them to state it, give a mechanism, then give supporting evidence.

But of course the evidence given is the bible is true because the bible says it's true.
olasonn

Harstad, Norway

#5712 Mar 2, 2013
Pete-o wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, they say god created everything but give no evidence to support that claim, they miss the fact that with their line of thinking someone must have created the designer and into infinite regress.
If they have a creation theory, it is up to them to state it, give a mechanism, then give supporting evidence.
But of course the evidence given is the bible is true because the bible says it's true.
It's hard to reason with people who don't apply to their own position at all. I think it's all about "easy answers" and self-delusion. They're not trying to convince us at all, they just want to lull themselves back to sleep.

Since: Jan 08

San Mateo, CA

#5713 Mar 2, 2013
olasonn wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to reason with people who don't apply to their own position at all. I think it's all about "easy answers" and self-delusion. They're not trying to convince us at all, they just want to lull themselves back to sleep.
It can be impossible to defeat an ignorant person in an argument, especially when they want to remain ignorant.

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