Exposing Shadrach's BOGUS "Earthly Millennium"

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#1 Oct 6, 2012
Shadrach was convinced that I ran away from his last questions in the topic he started entitled:

"The Prophecy of the Earthly Millennial Kingdom":
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-d...

(I encourage everyone to read through my responses to him meticulously on all the pages--you will notice that Shadrach scrounges around desparately to refute my arguments, and then finally, after thinking it through for the longest time, he feels that he finally found one verse that makes ALL my other arguments irrelevant--that is, Revelation 19:19)

As most of you will see, I, along with GE and Earburner, addressed and thoroughly refuted nearly all his arguments--but some how he felt a sense of "victory" when he felt he pinned me down with Revelation 19:19-- that the "all flesh" that were destroyed and being eaten by the birds somehow could only be the flesh of "all the armies", not "all flesh"--and that armies are somehow "separate" from the wicked. Thus, in his mind, the battle was only between the armies, and therefore, many humans are still to be alive on planet earth after the Second Coming.

If it is any source of consolation (or disconsolation) to Shadrach, I did not flee from his argument, but even began to refute it--but I was unable to finish due to packing up and taking off on several trips. Family, friends, business, and Bible work come before Shadrach. But now that I am back home and settled, I will deal with Shadrach's lies on the Millennium once and for all, hoping that he will be willing enough to humble himself and admit that he is wrong for once in his life about something. If he thinks I'm going to let him get away with this, he is dreaming.

As you will noticed, I told him clearly that "armies" are "symbolic", and he had a nasty reaction by trying to convince me that the Greek word "armies" is literal. LOL. What's so hilarious about that is that you can look up the Greek word for "horns", and find out that the word is literal too. Apparently Shadrach fails to realize that Revelation uses literal objects to symbolize concepts and truths.

I showed him how the book of Pslams and Isaiah profusely uses the symbol of armies to represent "ALL THE WICKED", yet he ignored that too. Shadrach was not settled, and said this was a "battle" and a "war", not the Second Coming. Birdman perspicaciously showed him that we are in a Spiritual Warfare in Ephesians 6:10-20, yet that went right over Shadrach's head. You see, the main source of Shadrach's teachings are the hermetic teachings of Dispensational-Futurism--which are the backbone to Freemasonry and the Occult, that is intrinsically tied to Zionism and the New World Order. His teachings originate from the Jesuits in the Counter Reformation, and this is why he has so many layers and layers of perfidious lies. It's almost like the Devil's maggots have permeated every cell of his brain, thus he cannot discern spiritual things according to 1 Cor. 2:14, rather interprets everything in scripture "literalistically". No, not literally, but LITERALISTICLY! It is called "GROTESQUE LITERALISM" to the NTH DEGREE!
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#2 Oct 6, 2012
Agree.
Jesus said I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh. Not just the flesh PoC/Shadrack decides is clean or wicked.
sitkahappy

Sitka, AK

#3 Oct 6, 2012
Don't forsake praying for him.

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#4 Oct 6, 2012
Shadrach wants us to believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming are to completely separate events.

However, he fails to forget that Armageddon pictures a spiritual struggle and battle between God's saints and the wicked (who are also symbolized as armies). Yes, this spiritual struggle will include "literal battles", but God's people will in no way take up arms. Yet according to Ephesians 6, spiritually, we will combat the wicked foes.

Armageddon begins with the persecution against God's people, and CONCLUDES with the Second Advent. The Second Advent is the CONCLUSION to the battle of Armageddon, when Michael shall "stand up for His people" in Daniel 12.

How do we know that Christ coming on the White Horse is another symbolic picture of the Second advent?

Concerning the Second Advent of our Lord in Revelation 19, we are told in verse 11:

"And I saw HEAVEN OPENED, and behold a WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and MAKE WAR." (Revelation 19:11)

Revelation 6:14 uses this same style of language: "And the HEAVEN DEPARTED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."

In Isaiah 66:15,16, concerning the Second Advent, we find the Lord coming with fire and "chariots". Yet chariots are not mentioned anywhere in the Gospels. Thus we see how symbolism is employed in both the OT prophets and Revelation--horses and chariots are also mentioned in Jeremiah 4:13 which states, "Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled." All of this is not only connected with a "battle", or a "war", but it is connected with the Second Advent. He clearly states that he will pleased "with ALL flesh" in Isaiah 66.

Now we will notice that the "armies" in heaven are clothed with "fine linen":
"And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." (Revelation 19:14), yet according to 19:8, fine linen is also for the saints. Thus there is a spiritual struggle here between God with his people and the "armies" of the earth.

In 19:15, it says that God will "smite the nations". To smite means to destroy, or kill. There is no way around it.'But', the critic will say, " it says he shall rule them with a rod of iron--this means that he will rule over the wicked during the 1000 years".

Not so fast! According to REvelation 2:27, it says, "'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'"--thus, the "ruling with a rod of iron" is the actual process of "dashing them to pieces". You do not have a rod of iron in your hand if all you are going to do is let them live during the millennium. This "ruling" is actually the process of "destroying them". This is exactly how God will rule them--by destroying them AT the Second Advent!

No Ifs, ANDS or BUTS about it! The "nations" will also soon be symbolized as "armies".

To "tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" is to DESTROY the nations. Everyone of them.

Thus, even if only armies are left, after the armies are gone, the nations are already destroyed.

(Continued...)
A Voice In The Wilderness

Langhorne, PA

#5 Oct 6, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Shadrach wants us to believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming are to completely separate events.
However, he fails to forget that Armageddon pictures a spiritual struggle and battle between God's saints and the wicked (who are also symbolized as armies). Yes, this spiritual struggle will include "literal battles", but God's people will in no way take up arms. Yet according to Ephesians 6, spiritually, we will combat the wicked foes.
Armageddon begins with the persecution against God's people, and CONCLUDES with the Second Advent. The Second Advent is the CONCLUSION to the battle of Armageddon, when Michael shall "stand up for His people" in Daniel 12.
How do we know that Christ coming on the White Horse is another symbolic picture of the Second advent?
Concerning the Second Advent of our Lord in Revelation 19, we are told in verse 11:
"And I saw HEAVEN OPENED, and behold a WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and MAKE WAR." (Revelation 19:11)
Revelation 6:14 uses this same style of language: "And the HEAVEN DEPARTED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
In Isaiah 66:15,16, concerning the Second Advent, we find the Lord coming with fire and "chariots". Yet chariots are not mentioned anywhere in the Gospels. Thus we see how symbolism is employed in both the OT prophets and Revelation--horses and chariots are also mentioned in Jeremiah 4:13 which states, "Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled." All of this is not only connected with a "battle", or a "war", but it is connected with the Second Advent. He clearly states that he will pleased "with ALL flesh" in Isaiah 66.
Now we will notice that the "armies" in heaven are clothed with "fine linen":
"And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." (Revelation 19:14), yet according to 19:8, fine linen is also for the saints. Thus there is a spiritual struggle here between God with his people and the "armies" of the earth.
In 19:15, it says that God will "smite the nations". To smite means to destroy, or kill. There is no way around it.'But', the critic will say, " it says he shall rule them with a rod of iron--this means that he will rule over the wicked during the 1000 years".
Not so fast! According to REvelation 2:27, it says, "'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'"--thus, the "ruling with a rod of iron" is the actual process of "dashing them to pieces". You do not have a rod of iron in your hand if all you are going to do is let them live during the millennium. This "ruling" is actually the process of "destroying them". This is exactly how God will rule them--by destroying them AT the Second Advent!
No Ifs, ANDS or BUTS about it! The "nations" will also soon be symbolized as "armies".
To "tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" is to DESTROY the nations. Everyone of them.
Thus, even if only armies are left, after the armies are gone, the nations are already destroyed.
(Continued...)
Michael standing up in Daniel 12:1 describes the scenes concerning the close of probation. Christ standing up denotes the end of His High Priestly ministry, the completion of the mystery of God which is the plan of redemption, not of the Second Coming. It is true that after Jesus stands up He will leave the Most Holy place, put on the garments of vengeance and this will culminate in Him taking His place upon the great white cloud and coming to deliver His faithful remnant. When the High Priest stands up, the seven last plagues begin, Armageddon being the 6th, climaxing with the Second Coming at the 7th vial.

We need to make a clear distinction between the two at all times.
A Voice In The Wilderness

Langhorne, PA

#6 Oct 6, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Shadrach wants us to believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming are to completely separate events.
However, he fails to forget that Armageddon pictures a spiritual struggle and battle between God's saints and the wicked (who are also symbolized as armies). Yes, this spiritual struggle will include "literal battles", but God's people will in no way take up arms. Yet according to Ephesians 6, spiritually, we will combat the wicked foes.
Armageddon begins with the persecution against God's people, and CONCLUDES with the Second Advent. The Second Advent is the CONCLUSION to the battle of Armageddon, when Michael shall "stand up for His people" in Daniel 12.
Michael standing up in Daniel 12:1 describes the scenes concerning the close of probation. Christ standing up denotes the end of His High Priestly ministry, the completion of the mystery of God which is the plan of redemption, not of the Second Coming. It is true that after Jesus stands up He will leave the Most Holy place, put on the garments of vengeance and this will culminate in Him taking His place upon the great white cloud and coming to deliver His faithful remnant. When the High Priest stands up, the seven last plagues begin, Armageddon being the 6th, climaxing with the Second Coming at the 7th vial.

We need to make a clear distinction between the two at all times.

Since: Nov 11

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#7 Oct 6, 2012
Conerning the continuation of the description of the Second Advent, we have:

"And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the FLESH OF KINGS, and the FLESH OF CAPTAINS, and the FLESH OF MIGHTY MEN, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, AND the flesh of ALL MEN, both FREE and BOND, both SMALL and GREAT." (Rev 19:17,18)

If words have any meaning at all, Shadrach will immediately recognize that the flesh that is being eaten here are not just armies. It's the flesh of "ALL MEN"--both free and bond, both small and great. One cannot get around this, no matter how hard they try. There are NO wicked people left on the earth, whatsoever.

Now, Shadrach, or critic, will venture to say, "But verse 19 PROVES that are still men on the earth AFTER verse 18! It says ARMIES!"

No Shadrach. Revelation is not written in chronological order. If it was, you'd have 3 lakes of fires in Revelation 20 and 21, and you'd also have 3 resurrections of the wicked dead, and also you'd have 3 times the New Jerusalem comes down.

Verses 19-21 is GOING BACK, and REPEATING verses 16-18, but this time from a different angle. It's now backing up and going over additional details:

"And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their ARMIES, gathered together to make WAR against him that sat on the horse, and against HIS ARMY. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the REMNANT WERE SLAIN WITH THE SWORD of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and ALL THE FOWLS WERE FILLED WITH THEIR FLESH." (Revelation 19:19-21)

So now recap:

Rev. 19:14-18 already set the precedent -- that is, that the nations will be ruled with a rod of iron (v15) and dashed to pieces like a potter's vessel (cf. 2:27)--that the nations will be "smitten" (v 15)--that they will be "trodden down" -- that "all flesh", both free and bond both small and great will be eaten by the birds.

That leaves no room for anyone to be left alive on the planet during the millennium.

Rev. 19:19-21 recaps, goes back, and now symbolizes those "nations" and "small" and "great" as "armies". It means they are at "war" with God. Anyone who is against God is enlisted in the army of Satan. In fact, in chapter 20, Satan convinces all the nations to "surround" the Beloved City, to "gather them to battle". Nowhere does it mention "armies", but it is simply implied that all of Satan's forces, who are wicked, are simply the same as "his armies".

Thus we see that the only one who is twisting scripture here is Shadrach. May we continue to pray for him that he will open his eyes to the plain utterances of scripture and allow the words to mean just what they say.

Some may say that the "rest that were slain" are "different from the Beast and the False Prophet"--and that the Beast and False Prophet are in the Lake of Fire and the rest are not.

The only point John is trying to make is this:

1. Of ALL the flesh that will be destroyed, particularly, the Beast (the Papacy and all its followers), God's judgments will fall upon the Beast and False Prophet FIRST for deceiving the masses. They will be cast into the lake of fire meaning, they will die by the fire that comes out and "consumes them" first. Paul is clear in 2 Thess 2 that the Antichrist power (which is the same as the beast) will be destroyed by the "brightness of His coming". Thus, they will meet judgments first.

2. The REST that are slain all those who never committed themselves, yet were enemies of God.

Revelation 20 opens with all the nations DEAD--which is why Satan can deceive them "no more".

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#8 Oct 6, 2012
A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael standing up in Daniel 12:1 describes the scenes concerning the close of probation. Christ standing up denotes the end of His High Priestly ministry, the completion of the mystery of God which is the plan of redemption, not of the Second Coming. It is true that after Jesus stands up He will leave the Most Holy place, put on the garments of vengeance and this will culminate in Him taking His place upon the great white cloud and coming to deliver His faithful remnant. When the High Priest stands up, the seven last plagues begin, Armageddon being the 6th, climaxing with the Second Coming at the 7th vial.
We need to make a clear distinction between the two at all times.
Thank for pointing that out brother. Yes, I totally agree.

My only point is that Christ stands up for His people begins Armageddon--and concludes with the Second Advent. There is definitely a distinction between the Close of Probation when Christ stands up for His people, and the actual spiritual battle itself. It begins as a spiritual struggle, and will end and conclude with the Second Advent--by a physical and literal slaying all the wicked (armies).

Since: Nov 11

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#9 Oct 6, 2012
Shadrach, ya bailin out on me? So soon?:(
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#10 Oct 8, 2012
Waiting for SHADRACH TO RESPOND might take awhile.
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#11 Oct 8, 2012
Shadrach is to busy in trying to destroy the 10 Commandments of God.

It will take a long time before he gets here maybe.

Since: Nov 11

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#12 Oct 8, 2012
Oooohhhhh SHADDY BOYEEE!!! We CALLLLINNNN YOUUUUU ^_^
Jersey

Cape Coral, FL

#14 Dec 9, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Shadrach was convinced that I ran away from his last questions in the topic he started entitled:
"The Prophecy of the Earthly Millennial Kingdom":
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/seventh-d...
(I encourage everyone to read through my responses to him meticulously on all the pages--you will notice that Shadrach scrounges around desparately to refute my arguments, and then finally, after thinking it through for the longest time, he feels that he finally found one verse that makes ALL my other arguments irrelevant--that is, Revelation 19:19)
As most of you will see, I, along with GE and Earburner, addressed and thoroughly refuted nearly all his arguments--but some how he felt a sense of "victory" when he felt he pinned me down with Revelation 19:19-- that the "all flesh" that were destroyed and being eaten by the birds somehow could only be the flesh of "all the armies", not "all flesh"--and that armies are somehow "separate" from the wicked. Thus, in his mind, the battle was only between the armies, and therefore, many humans are still to be alive on planet earth after the Second Coming.
If it is any source of consolation (or disconsolation) to Shadrach, I did not flee from his argument, but even began to refute it--but I was unable to finish due to packing up and taking off on several trips. Family, friends, business, and Bible work come before Shadrach. But now that I am back home and settled, I will deal with Shadrach's lies on the Millennium once and for all, hoping that he will be willing enough to humble himself and admit that he is wrong for once in his life about something. If he thinks I'm going to let him get away with this, he is dreaming.
As you will noticed, I told him clearly that "armies" are "symbolic", and he had a nasty reaction by trying to convince me that the Greek word "armies" is literal. LOL........LITERALISTICLY! It is called "GROTESQUE LITERALISM" to the NTH DEGREE!
You posted Rev. 19:19, but I'm sure you're referring to Rev. 19:18. I believe the flesh that is eaten is that of all the wicked at that time as stated in Rev. 19:21. I believe in an earthy millennium, but in no way do any wicked enter into the millennium. Only believers enter into the millennium. I'm sure you disagree, but I just want to ask you, if you're so sure then explain this to me...
ANIMALS & KIDS WILL LIVE UPON THE EARTH DURING THE MILLENNIUM:“But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: FOR THE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, as the waters cover the sea.”(Isaiah 11:4,6-9).
Lay Worker

Yea, Australia

#15 Dec 9, 2012
Jersey wrote:
<quoted text>

ANIMALS & KIDS WILL LIVE UPON THE EARTH DURING THE MILLENNIUM:

.
Not according to Luke 17:34-37

Learn your Bible
Elizabeth

Merrylands, Australia

#16 Dec 9, 2012
sitkahappy wrote:
Don't forsake praying for him.
yes
birdman

Shelbyville, IL

#17 Dec 9, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Not according to Luke 17:34-37
Learn your Bible
Correct!!!
Jersey

Cape Coral, FL

#18 Dec 9, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Not according to Luke 17:34-37
Learn your Bible
So back to those verses again, so does Luke 17:37 refer to the wicked ones being taken somewhere & killed?
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#19 Dec 9, 2012
Lysimachus wrote:
Shadrach wants us to believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming are to completely separate events.
However, he fails to forget that Armageddon pictures a spiritual struggle and battle between God's saints and the wicked (who are also symbolized as armies). Yes, this spiritual struggle will include "literal battles", but God's people will in no way take up arms. Yet according to Ephesians 6, spiritually, we will combat the wicked foes.
Armageddon begins with the persecution against God's people, and CONCLUDES with the Second Advent. The Second Advent is the CONCLUSION to the battle of Armageddon, when Michael shall "stand up for His people" in Daniel 12.
How do we know that Christ coming on the White Horse is another symbolic picture of the Second advent?
Concerning the Second Advent of our Lord in Revelation 19, we are told in verse 11:
"And I saw HEAVEN OPENED, and behold a WHITE HORSE; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and MAKE WAR." (Revelation 19:11)
Revelation 6:14 uses this same style of language: "And the HEAVEN DEPARTED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
In Isaiah 66:15,16, concerning the Second Advent, we find the Lord coming with fire and "chariots". Yet chariots are not mentioned anywhere in the Gospels. Thus we see how symbolism is employed in both the OT prophets and Revelation--horses and chariots are also mentioned in Jeremiah 4:13 which states, "Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled." All of this is not only connected with a "battle", or a "war", but it is connected with the Second Advent. He clearly states that he will pleased "with ALL flesh" in Isaiah 66.
Now we will notice that the "armies" in heaven are clothed with "fine linen":
"And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." (Revelation 19:14), yet according to 19:8, fine linen is also for the saints. Thus there is a spiritual struggle here between God with his people and the "armies" of the earth.
In 19:15, it says that God will "smite the nations". To smite means to destroy, or kill. There is no way around it.'But', the critic will say, " it says he shall rule them with a rod of iron--this means that he will rule over the wicked during the 1000 years".
Not so fast! According to REvelation 2:27, it says, "'He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels'"--thus, the "ruling with a rod of iron" is the actual process of "dashing them to pieces". You do not have a rod of iron in your hand if all you are going to do is let them live during the millennium. This "ruling" is actually the process of "destroying them". This is exactly how God will rule them--by destroying them AT the Second Advent!
No Ifs, ANDS or BUTS about it! The "nations" will also soon be symbolized as "armies".
To "tread the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God" is to DESTROY the nations. Everyone of them.
Thus, even if only armies are left, after the armies are gone, the nations are already destroyed.
(Continued...)
This person was exposed in another post....

but here he had to create a lie, something that I did not teach

then tell everyone I am a false teacher...clever, and alot of you most of you do this...you were taught this technique from your pulpits

----

I teach, Christ comes to the Mt of Olives and fights against the Nations Zech 14..

Battle number one is Armageddon

Christ then judges the sheep and the goats

the 1000 earthly Mill begins with Christ as King

then Satan is released

all those of all the nations who side with Satan Rev 20;3
reveals all the nations which are still on earth

they revolt against Christ and His people

The second Battle

read Rev 20;9
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#21 Dec 9, 2012
This person Lysi was exposed in another post....

but here he had to create a lie, something that I did not teach

then tell everyone I am a false teacher...clever, and alot of you most of you do this...you were taught this technique from your pulpits

----

I teach, Christ comes to the Mt of Olives and fights against the Nations Zech 14..

Battle number one is Armageddon

Christ then judges the sheep and the goats

the 1000 earthly Mill begins with Christ as King

then Satan is released

all those of all the nations who side with Satan Rev 20;3
reveals all the nations which are still on earth

they revolt against Christ and His people

The second Battle

read Rev 20;9
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#22 Dec 9, 2012
Lysi had to run away....

for he was caught negating this God Given Fact

which is as profound as the Law of Gravity.

Lysi and adventsim can not stand nor teach this Biblical Fact

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Heb 9

Now read, Rev 19:18, then Rev 20:3 Rev 20:9

the only way to can believe Lysi and adventism is to learn to TURN YOUR EYES AWAY from Gods Biblical Fact..........in Heb 9:27

You people teach the resurrection of the death to fight again and die again and resurrect again to be judged

It is imperative for you to destroy Heb 9:27

to teach your man made malarkey

----------

Now, remember, Lysi's presentation

CREATE A LIE then make a play on it

Lysi lied about me and made a play on it

You people do this

and

this is NOT a Characteristic of a Godly person

for the Godly have Christ residing in them Gal 2:20

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