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DANNO

London, UK

#1 Nov 19, 2012

To all.

How can we be SURE that the Pastors in Christians Churches are Born again?? How can we know if the ORDIANED MINISTER LEE was ORDIANED by GOD and is born again Christian??

Jesus said in Matt 24: 4 & vrs 24 that SATAN HAS GREAT POWERS TO DECIEVE IF POSSIBLE THE VERY ELECT!

Jesus also said MANY are CALLED but FEW are chosen > Matt 22: 14

How can we know if the PASTORS & MINISTERS are BORN AGAIN and are TRUE SHEEP of the LAMB and NOT SATAN's disciples??

All comments wellcome

Dan
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#2 Nov 19, 2012
DANNO wrote:
To all.
How can we be SURE that the Pastors in Christians Churches are Born again?? How can we know if the ORDIANED MINISTER LEE was ORDIANED by GOD and is born again Christian??
Jesus said in Matt 24: 4 & vrs 24 that SATAN HAS GREAT POWERS TO DECIEVE IF POSSIBLE THE VERY ELECT!
Jesus also said MANY are CALLED but FEW are chosen > Matt 22: 14
How can we know if the PASTORS & MINISTERS are BORN AGAIN and are TRUE SHEEP of the LAMB and NOT SATAN's disciples??
All comments wellcome
Dan
I have a wanted poster that will reward anyone ten thousand dollars for them showing me a truely born again (by the Holy Spirit) human. I have had this for over 5 years and so far have not had anyone attempt to get this reward.

Right now I am working on a program to confront all of the so called "born again churchs' to prove to them that they are nothing but a bunch of liars.

I would also like to confront anyone who is an Adventist and believes that they have been born again by the Holy Spirit. This research will go into the book I am writing about the trial of Saul/Paul of Tarsus. I am open to interview anyone who wants to testify FOR Paul being a real apostle.
Earburner

United States

#3 Nov 19, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> I have a wanted poster that will reward anyone ten thousand dollars for them showing me a truely born again (by the Holy Spirit) human. I have had this for over 5 years and so far have not had anyone attempt to get this reward.
Right now I am working on a program to confront all of the so called "born again churchs' to prove to them that they are nothing but a bunch of liars.
I would also like to confront anyone who is an Adventist and believes that they have been born again by the Holy Spirit. This research will go into the book I am writing about the trial of Saul/Paul of Tarsus. I am open to interview anyone who wants to testify FOR Paul being a real apostle.
You sure are a lively "Tare"! However, in order for you to know if someone is born again, you must be born again yourself. Though you are close, you have not entered into the KoG.

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#4 Nov 19, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> I have a wanted poster that will reward anyone ten thousand dollars for them showing me a truely born again (by the Holy Spirit) human. I have had this for over 5 years and so far have not had anyone attempt to get this reward.
Right now I am working on a program to confront all of the so called "born again churchs' to prove to them that they are nothing but a bunch of liars.
I would also like to confront anyone who is an Adventist and believes that they have been born again by the Holy Spirit. This research will go into the book I am writing about the trial of Saul/Paul of Tarsus. I am open to interview anyone who wants to testify FOR Paul being a real apostle.
What a waste of time and energy! As my daughter says to her children, you clearly don't have enough legitimate chores!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#5 Nov 19, 2012
From the point of view of the Testimonies:

"The new birth is a rare experience in this age of the world." E.G. White. Bible Commentary, vol.6,1075.

Not because it is complicated for "the matter of salvation is just as simple as ABC but we don't understand it." Faith & Works,64.

"The sinner must ever look toward Calvary and with the simple faith of a little child we must rest in the MERITS of Christ, accepting His righteousness, and believing in His mercy." Evangelism,185

"The MERITS of Christ blot out transgressions and clothe us with the robe of righteousness woven in the loom of Heaven." Evangelism,186

And "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything." Faith & Works,27.

For His righteousness is "made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God." Testimonies to Ministers,92.

sky

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#6 Nov 19, 2012
"The new birth consists in having new motives, new tastes, new tendencies. Those who are begotten unto a new life by the Holy Spirit, have become partakers of the divine nature, and in all their habits and practices they will give evidence of their relationship to Christ. When men who claim to be Christians retain all their natural defects of character and disposition, in what does their position differ from that of the worldling? They do not appreciate the truth as a sanctifier, a refiner. They have not been born again." Review & Herald April 12,1892.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#7 Nov 19, 2012
For those who are interested in what the Testimonies have to say on the subject, here are some more interesting statements:

"How has it been with Christ's disciples in all ages of the world? Why, they have learned of Jesus; they have been in His school; they have been His students and have learned the lessons of Christ in regard to the LIVING CONNECTION that the soul has with God. That LIVING FAITH is ESSENTIAL for our salvation, that we should lay hold upon the MERITS of the BLOOD of the crucified and risen Savior, on Christ, our righteousness." Faith & Works,64.

So in order to experience the new birth, in order to have a living connection with God, one must come to God just as he is, sinful, helpless, dependend, and by faith he must lay hold upon the MERITS of the crucified and risen Saviour.

How does the sinner lay hold of the merits of the Savior?

First he must believe that the merits of His sacrifice are SUFFICIENT to present to the Father in his behalf and then he must claim them, believing it is his privilege to claim them:

"Unless the sinner makes it his LIFE BUSINESS to behold the uplifted Savior and to accept His MERITS which it is his PRIVILEGE to CLAIM, he can no more be saved than Peter could walk upon the water unless he kept his eyes fixed steadily upon Jesus." Testimonies to Ministers,93.

sky
Earburner

United States

#8 Nov 19, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
From the point of view of the Testimonies:
"The new birth is a rare experience in this age of the world." E.G. White. Bible Commentary, vol.6,1075.
Not because it is complicated for "the matter of salvation is just as simple as ABC but we don't understand it." Faith & Works,64.
"The sinner must ever look toward Calvary and with the simple faith of a little child we must rest in the MERITS of Christ, accepting His righteousness, and believing in His mercy." Evangelism,185
"The MERITS of Christ blot out transgressions and clothe us with the robe of righteousness woven in the loom of Heaven." Evangelism,186
And "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything." Faith & Works,27.
For His righteousness is "made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God." Testimonies to Ministers,92.
sky
Sky, could you please explain the last quote? Please try not to be contrary to all the previous quotes.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#9 Nov 19, 2012
DANNO wrote:
To all.
How can we be SURE that the Pastors in Christians Churches are Born again?? How can we know if the ORDIANED MINISTER LEE was ORDIANED by GOD and is born again Christian??
Jesus said in Matt 24: 4 & vrs 24 that SATAN HAS GREAT POWERS TO DECIEVE IF POSSIBLE THE VERY ELECT!
Jesus also said MANY are CALLED but FEW are chosen > Matt 22: 14
How can we know if the PASTORS & MINISTERS are BORN AGAIN and are TRUE SHEEP of the LAMB and NOT SATAN's disciples??
All comments wellcome
Dan
Jesus prayed that we should be sanctified by a born again pastor, so clearly this is important.

Well, to know if a pastor is born again, you will have to ask God because He creates all new creatures, great and small. The problem is God's phone number, email address, Twitter and Facebook accounts are all classified info. To hack it, requires some serious knowledge.

This is a tough one.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#10 Nov 19, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>You sure are a lively "Tare"! However, in order for you to know if someone is born again, you must be born again yourself. Though you are close, you have not entered into the KoG.
Huh? Can you SEE the KoG right now? Please let me know.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#11 Nov 19, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
From the point of view of the Testimonies:
"The new birth is a rare experience in this age of the world." E.G. White. Bible Commentary, vol.6,1075.
Not because it is complicated for "the matter of salvation is just as simple as ABC but we don't understand it." Faith & Works,64.
"The sinner must ever look toward Calvary and with the simple faith of a little child we must rest in the MERITS of Christ, accepting His righteousness, and believing in His mercy." Evangelism,185
"The MERITS of Christ blot out transgressions and clothe us with the robe of righteousness woven in the loom of Heaven." Evangelism,186
And "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything." Faith & Works,27.
For His righteousness is "made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God." Testimonies to Ministers,92.
sky
Why would one ever want to follow after the words of the ONE called "Jezebel" by Jesus as found in Rev. 2:18-25? She had NO CLUE as to the real truth!
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#12 Nov 19, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
For those who are interested in what the Testimonies have to say on the subject, here are some more interesting statements:
"How has it been with Christ's disciples in all ages of the world? Why, they have learned of Jesus; they have been in His school; they have been His students and have learned the lessons of Christ in regard to the LIVING CONNECTION that the soul has with God. That LIVING FAITH is ESSENTIAL for our salvation, that we should lay hold upon the MERITS of the BLOOD of the crucified and risen Savior, on Christ, our righteousness." Faith & Works,64.
So in order to experience the new birth, in order to have a living connection with God, one must come to God just as he is, sinful, helpless, dependend, and by faith he must lay hold upon the MERITS of the crucified and risen Saviour.
How does the sinner lay hold of the merits of the Savior?
First he must believe that the merits of His sacrifice are SUFFICIENT to present to the Father in his behalf and then he must claim them, believing it is his privilege to claim them:
"Unless the sinner makes it his LIFE BUSINESS to behold the uplifted Savior and to accept His MERITS which it is his PRIVILEGE to CLAIM, he can no more be saved than Peter could walk upon the water unless he kept his eyes fixed steadily upon Jesus." Testimonies to Ministers,93.
sky
Like I said before, EGW was clueless about the real truth.
Rockroller

Yucaipa, CA

#13 Nov 19, 2012
Mental Floss wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus prayed that we should be sanctified by a born again pastor, so clearly this is important.
Well, to know if a pastor is born again, you will have to ask God because He creates all new creatures, great and small. The problem is God's phone number, email address, Twitter and Facebook accounts are all classified info. To hack it, requires some serious knowledge.
This is a tough one.
You have not read what Jesus really said and given to us by John.(see Jn. 17) The ONLY thing that can bring unity with Jesus and the Family of God are by knowing, understanding and abiding in the words of Jesus. They are real truth and it is the truth that sets one free. Not grace or faith!

No 'pastor' can cause you to become sanctified! Sanctification IS the end result of overcoming sin and becoming blameless in order to become a spiritual born again being, born of God.

Anyone truly born again will NEVER sin again! They will be perfect and know the absolute truth. This means they will understand the book of Revelation and Daniel. It is their righteousness (shining) that will cause many to become righteous.(Dan. 12)

Truth be known, Right NOW--NO ONE LIVING today has ever become truely born again by God. You may not agree, but then prove me wrong--PLEASE! This being said, the 144,000 are right now being given the food from the ONE good and faithful servant and this food (truth) is what will cause them to become sanctified.
DANNO

London, UK

#14 Nov 20, 2012
skyblue888 wrote:
"The new birth consists in having new motives, new tastes, new tendencies. Those who are begotten unto a new life by the Holy Spirit, have become partakers of the divine nature, and in all their habits and practices they will give evidence of their relationship to Christ. When men who claim to be Christians retain all their natural defects of character and disposition, in what does their position differ from that of the worldling? They do not appreciate the truth as a sanctifier, a refiner. They have not been born again." Review & Herald April 12,1892.
Would you say if a christian claims to be born again and have the SAME beliefs of GRAMY & Shadrach are truely born again or decieved ?

They both accuse Jesus & the HOLY Spirit that the 10 commandments have been nialed to the cross with the sacrificial law. They testify that the Holky 4th commandment does NOT apply to Mankind but to the JEWS only.
They both claim that Spiritual WORKS play NO part in our SALVATION.

They both CLAIM that GOD DID NOT MAKE all his COVENANTS PERFECT and without FAULTS. They accuse GOD & th hOLY Spirit of making a FALTY COVENANT that needed replacing .

they both do not know what the GOOD SEEDS & WEEDS represent and HOW the WEEDS are planted in Matt 13: 24-26

Dan
DANNO

London, UK

#15 Nov 20, 2012
Mental Floss wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus prayed that we should be sanctified by a born again pastor, so clearly this is important.
Well, to know if a pastor is born again, you will have to ask God because He creates all new creatures, great and small. The problem is God's phone number, email address, Twitter and Facebook accounts are all classified info. To hack it, requires some serious knowledge.
This is a tough one.
Would you say that the Ordained Minister Lee was truely Ordained by GOD?? He admitted he was! He also pks against the HOLY 4th command and makes fun of it in his posts. He refuses to answer questions on his ORDINATION!

Dan
Earburner

United States

#16 Nov 20, 2012
Rockroller wrote:
<quoted text> Huh? Can you SEE the KoG right now? Please let me know.
When you obey Luke 11:13, you WILL "SEE" (PERCIEVE) the KoG.....Except a man be born again he CANNOT SEE (percieve, know, understand) the KoG. Until you INVITE Him into your life, you ARE NOT in the KoG.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17 Nov 20, 2012
Earburner wrote:
<quoted text>When you obey Luke 11:13, you WILL "SEE" (PERCIEVE) the KoG.....Except a man be born again he CANNOT SEE (percieve, know, understand) the KoG. Until you INVITE Him into your life, you ARE NOT in the KoG.
The word there is not "kingdom" but "king".

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#18 Nov 20, 2012
"Often the question arises, Why are there so many, claiming to believe God's Word, in whom there is not seen a reformation in words, in spirit, in character? Why are there so many who cannot bear opposition to their purposes and plans, who manifest an unholy temper, and whose words are harsh, overbearing, and passionate? There is seen in their lives the same love of self, the same selfish indulgence, the same temper and hasty speech, that is seen in the life of the worldling?

There is the same sensitive pride, the same yielding to natural inclination, the same perversity of character, as if the truth were wholly unknown to them. The reason is that THEY ARE NOT CONVERTED. They have not THE TRUTH HIDDEN IN THE HEART. It has not had opportunity to do its work. Their natural and cultivated tendencies to evil have not been submitted to its transforming power. Their lives reveal the absence of the grace of Christ, an unbelief in His power to transform the character." Christ's Object Lessons,99,100.

Since: Jul 08

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#19 Nov 20, 2012
"He who would confess Christ must have Christ abiding in him. He cannot communicate that which he has not received. The disciples might speak fluently on doctrines, they might repeat the words of Christ Himself; but unless they possessed Christlike meekness and love, they were not confessing Him. A spirit contrary to the spirit of Christ would deny Him, whatever the profession.

Men may deny Christ by evilspeaking, by foolish talking, by words that are untruthful or unkind. They may deny Him by shunning life's burdens, by the pursuit of sinful pleasure. They may deny Him by conforming to the world, by uncourteous behavior, by the love of their own opinions, by justifying self, by cherishing doubt, borrowing trouble, and dwelling in darkness. In all these ways they declare that Christ is not in them. And 'whosoever shall deny Me before men,' He says,'him will I deny before My Father in Heaven.'" Desire of Ages,357.

sky

Since: Jul 08

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#21 Nov 20, 2012
And Jesus was crucified between two thieves as the chiefest of them.

And the same Jesus who was "that prophet" we called Bulzebub!

There is nothing new under the sun. That which has been is that which will be. Ecc.1:9.

sky

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