Let the truth set us free
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#42 Jan 27, 2010
M4, and you people who put your trust in egw;

M4 uses egw for eschatology guidance instead of
the Bible, he claims by egw:

"At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth--consumed with the spirit of His mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the City of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants.

My reply;

No one is destroyed by the brightness of His coming. This quote used in Thess is indicating
His Glory of Coming

The Bible states;

Zechariah 14
The Day of the LORD
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.

4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
----------

Now what will the Lord do:
Zechariah 12
The Coming Deliverance of Judah
1 The burden[a] of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the LORD,“I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart,‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the LORD of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#43 Jan 27, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Jic, you were programmed..........
29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships from Cyprus[i] shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces[j] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress;
then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
37 He shall regard neither the God[k] of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. 39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
You are not quoting from the scriptures, we believe in "sola scriptura" for escathology and any other biblical analysis.
Lay Worker

United States

#44 Jan 27, 2010
Its stunning isnt it why M4 uses EGW so regularly when she said to not use her for doctrine.

messenger4truth

United States

#45 Jan 27, 2010
P of c. wrote,

My reply;

No one is destroyed by the brightness of His coming. This quote used in Thess is indicating
His Glory of Coming"

M4T> Does the truth set U free to deceive?

Not in this faith.

The wicked living perish at the coming of the Lord.

2nd Ths 1v7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

v8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

v9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Mal 4v1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch
messenger4truth

United States

#46 Jan 27, 2010
Lay Worker wrote:
Its stunning isnt it why M4 uses EGW so regularly when she said to not use her for doctrine.
lw, is projecting his stunted inability to discuss the message.
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#47 Jan 27, 2010
Jewinchrist wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not quoting from the scriptures, we believe in "sola scriptura" for escathology and any other biblical analysis.
Jic, I have only used four words which were not of the Bible

"Jic, you were programmed"

Conclusion; Jic needs to apologize and acknowledge I have presented Gods Word only and take heed in who he following.

egw or scripture

So does M4

they are both adamately denying the the scriptures I have presented
they are both denying the Word of God
instead
they are both in favor of egw
Lay Worker

United States

#48 Jan 27, 2010
messenger4truth wrote:
<quoted text>
lw, is projecting his stunted inability to discuss the message.
incorrect - its that m4? has shorn himself of any spiritual
strength and cannot hear let alone listen. Somehow he got his eyes gouged out as well and is blind

When one is immersed in the corporate church is OSAS in defiance of God there is no reasoning with them... even God cannot assist - why in the world do we have the evidence of the church in Jesus' day as testimony or is this a bed time story for the children.
Lay Worker

United States

#49 Jan 27, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
Jic, I have only used four words which were not of the Bible
"Jic, you were programmed"
Conclusion; Jic needs to apologize and acknowledge I have presented Gods Word only and take heed in who he following.
egw or scripture
So does M4
they are both adamately denying the the scriptures I have presented
they are both denying the Word of God
instead
they are both in favor of egw
Have to agree

m4? is programmed

JiC has some common sense and ability to discuss - thats not evident with the nonsense we see from m4?

now watch the rubbish to follow

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#50 Jan 27, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
Jic, you were programmed..........
29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter. 30 For ships from Cyprus[i] shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.
“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces[j] shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress;
then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. 33 And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
37 He shall regard neither the God[k] of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all. 38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things. 39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
Fair enough...I will apologize, it is in Dan 11:29 - 38, this does however not do away with the fact that it was Christ who terminated the use of teh daily sacrifice as He was the sinless priest who officiated His own Death! His entire purpose for coming to earth was to defeat the devil and death and do away with the power that the Law had in condemning us until by His death the atonement was put into effect.

No one ever said that Antiochus did not do this, however he was not the antichrist, antichrist was pointed out even by Isaac Newton, who identified it as the seer of Rome.

His words, Little Horn is Seer, Prophet and King, explanation goes like this:
Isaac Newton wrote:
"But it was a kingdom of a different kind from the other ten kigdoms, having a life or a soul peculiar to itself, with eyes and a mouth."

"By its eyes he was a Seer, by its mouth speaking great things and changing times and laws, it was a Prophet as well as a King. And such a Seer, a Prophet and a King, is the church of Rome."

"A Seer...is a bishop in the literal sense of teh word; and this Church claims the universal Bishoprick."

"With his mouth he gives alws to kings and nations as an Oracle; and pretends to infallibility; and that his dictates are binding to the whole world; which is to be a Prophet in the highest degree"
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#51 Jan 27, 2010
Elizabeth Steele wrote:
I have just scanned some of the threads and it seems like Paul was right in #3 that SDA's like to trash people that ask them uncomfortable questions. Even if it comes from within their own household!
You also seem to struggle to answer posts like # 14. I read how you try to divert attention...why not take up the challenge and provide SCRIPTURE to prove ANY statement wrong?
Is it even POSSIBLE for ANY Adventist to admit that we COULD be wrong with our view of the Millennium? or the Holy Spirit?
And your "research" shows that EVERYTHING Mrs. White "saw in vision" was always right? None of it was ever copied? Is it POSSIBLE that she , as prophetess, could have been mistaken when she agreed with Crosier on the 1844 thing?
Hi Elizabeth, just a thought, why don't you take a drive down

75 to Atlanta and visit Dr Charles Stanley at In Touch Ministries

He is wonderful........truly a man raised up by God for us

His forte is Salvation and intimacy with Christ

I would love to visit "In Touch Ministries"

maybe you have already?

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#52 Jan 27, 2010
PfC wrote:
Hi Elizabeth, just a thought, why don't you take a drive down

75 to Atlanta and visit Dr Charles Stanley at In Touch Ministries

He is wonderful........truly a man raised up by God for us

His forte is Salvation and intimacy with Christ

I would love to visit "In Touch Ministries"

maybe you have already?
You way off track here Paul? What's this got to do with the thread title? We discussing importrant stuff here mate!
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#53 Jan 27, 2010
Jewinchrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Fair enough...I will apologize, it is in Dan 11:29 - 38, this does however not do away with the fact that it was Christ who terminated the use of teh daily sacrifice as He was the sinless priest who officiated His own Death! His entire purpose for coming to earth was to defeat the devil and death and do away with the power that the Law had in condemning us until by His death the atonement was put into effect.
No one ever said that Antiochus did not do this, however he was not the antichrist, antichrist was pointed out even by Isaac Newton, who identified it as the seer of Rome.
His words, Little Horn is Seer, Prophet and King, explanation goes like this:
<quoted text>
JIC, your apology has been accepted, note; it takes a good man to
apologize, which is a rare find.

In regards to JC ending the sacrifices, very true indeed.

The issue is Dan 8-14( The Feast of Dedication or Festival of Lights) celebrated before Christ, during Christ Jn 10-22, and after Christ is the cleansing of the Temple by Judas Mac

it has nothing what so ever to do with a Temple to be cleansed in heaven........sin does not enter heaven

Antiochus defiled the Temple( who was the typology of the AC)
The Anti Christ will defile the Temple..Dan 9-27

n Matthew 24:15, Jesus was speaking some 200 years after the abomination of desolation described above had already occurred. So, Jesus must have been prophesying that some time in the future another abomination of desolation would occur in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Most Bible prophecy interpreters believe that Jesus was referring to the Antichrist who will do something very similar to what Antiochus Epiphanies did. This is confirmed by the fact that some of what Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:27 did not occur in 167 B.C. with Antiochus Epiphanies. Antiochus did not confirm a covenant with Israel for seven years. It is the Antichrist who, in the end times, will establish a covenant with Israel for seven years and then break it by doing something similar to the abomination of desolation in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.
gbq

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#54 Jan 27, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
<quoted text>
JIC, your apology has been accepted, note; it takes a good man to
apologize, which is a rare find.[/quote]

You decide! That is Christian behaviour I think!

[QUOTE who="Paul from California"]In regards to JC ending the sacrifices, very true indeed.
The issue is Dan 8-14( The Feast of Dedication or Festival of Lights) celebrated before Christ, during Christ Jn 10-22, and after Christ is the cleansing of the Temple by Judas Mac
it has nothing what so ever to do with a Temple to be cleansed in heaven........sin does not enter heaven
Antiochus defiled the Temple( who was the typology of the AC)
The Anti Christ will defile the Temple..Dan 9-27
n Matthew 24:15, Jesus was speaking some 200 years after the abomination of desolation described above had already occurred. So, Jesus must have been prophesying that some time in the future another abomination of desolation would occur in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Most Bible prophecy interpreters believe that Jesus was referring to the Antichrist who will do something very similar to what Antiochus Epiphanies did. This is confirmed by the fact that some of what Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:27 did not occur in 167 B.C. with Antiochus Epiphanies.

Antiochus did not confirm a covenant with Israel for seven years.

It is the Antichrist who, in the end times, will establish a covenant with Israel for seven years and then break it by doing something similar to the abomination of desolation in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.
gbq
I am afriad you off track once again Paul, the 7 years to confirm a covenant were accomplished by Christ, if you read the prophecy ity actually says he was "cut off" 3 1/2 years later, the remaioning 3 1/2 years were consumated by teh death of Stephen, when the gospel went to teh gentiles.

This theory is called Futurism and wasdevised by Francisco Ribera a Jesuit Priest, who was commanded by the pope to perform a catholic counter reformation so as to remove the accusation of teh Papacy being teh anti christ which all of the reformers agreed with, this included Isaac Newton.
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#55 Jan 28, 2010
Jewinchrist wrote:
<quoted text>
I am afriad you off track once again Paul, the 7 years to confirm a covenant were accomplished by Christ, if you read the prophecy ity actually says he was "cut off" 3 1/2 years later, the remaioning 3 1/2 years were consumated by teh death of Stephen, when the gospel went to teh gentiles.
This theory is called Futurism and wasdevised by Francisco Ribera a Jesuit Priest, who was commanded by the pope to perform a catholic counter reformation so as to remove the accusation of teh Papacy being teh anti christ which all of the reformers agreed with, this included Isaac Newton.
JIC, you did read;

n Matthew 24:15, Jesus was speaking some 200 years after the abomination of desolation described above had already occurred. So, Jesus must have been prophesying that some time in the future another abomination of desolation would occur in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Most Bible prophecy interpreters believe that Jesus was referring to the Antichrist who will do something very similar to what Antiochus Epiphanies did. This is confirmed by the fact that some of what Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:27 did not occur in 167 B.C. with Antiochus Epiphanies. Antiochus did not confirm a covenant with Israel for seven years. It is the Antichrist who, in the end times, will establish a covenant with Israel for seven years and then break it by doing something similar to the abomination of desolation in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.
gbq

Moreover Jic, I highly recommend you read Maccabees 1 and 2
in order to understand the Feast of Dedication and the true meaning of Dan 8-14.

You will be shocked at the similarities between the KJV of the AntiChrist and Antiochus

as the AntiChrist shall incur a deadly wound
so was the rumor of Antiochus who was not dead
2 Macc 5-5,6,11

Antiochus apeases Israel with peaceable word
1 Macc 1-30

Antiochus changes the laws
1 Macc 1-12,15,43,45

Antiochus uses a inelligence system to keep charge of
who was following his laws

JIC, the sda ministers are not fools, those who humble themselves
and seek out the truth and read Maccabees, as many today are, have discovered egw was a false messenger, teacher, prophet..

Will it hurt you to investigate? I pray your humble enough to do so.

God Bless
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#56 Jan 28, 2010
JIC.........for you

1 Maccabees1 Maccabees on Early Jewish Writings: a comprehensive sourcebook for ancient Judaism.

www.earlyjewishwritings.com/1maccabees.html · Cached page

2 Maccabees2 Maccabees on Early Jewish Writings: a comprehensive sourcebook for ancient Judaism.

www.earlyjewishwritings.com/2maccabees.html · Cached page
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#57 Jan 28, 2010
JIC, when you go to the sites, click on KJV

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#58 Jan 28, 2010
Can't promise that I will, the origin of the Apocryphals scrolls are dubious but I may just entertain you! I'll see.
Paul from California

Cupertino, CA

#60 Jan 29, 2010
JIC, Adventist in the thousands are leaving, for they have discovered Dan 8-14 is referring to
the cleansing of the Temple by Judas Maccabees
and not as egw taught, a cleansing of a sanctuary in heaven......

They have discovered JN 10-22 the
"Feast of Dedication" placed in scripture by God
has important meaning.

It is your duty to share what you have found with
others.......Let your Light shine the Truth

egw, is a liar, and has misled so many good people........help them discover the truth

“South Africa”

Since: Nov 09

Port Elizabeth

#61 Jan 29, 2010
Paul from California wrote:
JIC, Adventist in the thousands are leaving, for they have discovered Dan 8-14 is referring to
the cleansing of the Temple by Judas Maccabees
and not as egw taught, a cleansing of a sanctuary in heaven......
They have discovered JN 10-22 the
"Feast of Dedication" placed in scripture by God
has important meaning.
It is your duty to share what you have found with
others.......Let your Light shine the Truth
egw, is a liar, and has misled so many good people........help them discover the truth
I respectfully disagree, let them leave, in 1844 thousands other also left and only a remnant remained to search the scriptures.

What are they going to do? Start another church?
Another Tony

Des Moines, IA

#62 Jan 29, 2010
The United Church of God says the same as SDA "we are the only true church"..The best of the bunch seems to be the Church of God 7th Day (COG7) They probably have a church in your town. They are the closest to the real thing, but are hung up on the Wednesday Crucifixion thing...something I could probable live with. So, I suspect many SDA's are finding their way to that haven. Like 90% of other Protestants they believe in a coming Earthly Millennium, are non-Trinitarian, and they are not as legalistic... eg a little table wine is OK.

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